New info on 09 Husabergs

OK guys ... temptation was too hard. In few hours we wil be in a car on the road to Milano (Zagreb - Milano 630 km). We have idea to be there 10 AM tomorrow (opening time).
Will somebody of you, dear members, be also there. I`m calling a welcome drink!

I guess the transmission and engine oil is not seperate? I thought for sure the new motor would have that feature, especially since the new KTM four strokes have seperate oil for the engine/trans.

I like this photo. Let the games begin. Forget competion between Honda and Yamaha... I have a feeling we may see very interesting things out of BMW and Husaberg/KTM in the next couple years.

EDIT: Fine, be that way... take down your photos and leave a big red x on my post.

For those of you who didn't get to see - it was a BMW tech and Jens from Husaberg looking over the new 'Berg together.

very good pic indeed! joel smets left a big sign on pre 2000 husabergs thats for sure!!

and now works for bmw and notices a strange husaberg with a ktm motor.....

nobody seems to have asked why husaberg did this and also how come they can afford it!

anyone who says i wish they weren't part of ktm should now reflect that what ktm took away they now give back! this engine wasn't cheap to develop! it has a lot of first time ever type stuff in it in which there was zero technology or res & D (as opposed to race & d) to fall on! everything will have taken far longer to test and develop. that money came from ktm because husaberg phuqed everything up over the last 5 or so years with 'common faults' etc.

so hats off to ktm for putting something back into husabergt! if they had been on their own still we wouldn't be here, they would have stopped producing 3-4 years ago - probably after the over production of 2002.

so why did they do this?
well as said before by a top guy at ktm - husaberg stands for innovation, being different so ktm gave it to them to try first. now i think that that is ffffaaaannnnn-tastic! it's been clear foir sometime that something has to be done if motorcycle technology is to CONTINUE to advance, like the LRGRNDARY 916 it took a european manufacturer to break the mould! BMW's laid down bike and now this by husaberg are the clear indicators that with bikes getting talle, a lower C of G is required somehow, secondly to get quicker steering, a better planted front end and more wight on the front: there needs to be a space where the traditional cylinder would be!

the crank is 16cm further back - that's staggering!

expect to follow that speedway type cylinder with speedway type head angles in the steering department! 23.5d is roadracer type stuff. if i recall, the current head angle is 26d or am i dreaming that?wonder what the balance percentage of weight is back to front?

regards

Taffy

Actually even the new engine KTM SOHC engine i bet that was developed from this engine !!!
i.e. I bet that this engine is not using the new 450EXC SOHC engine but it was KTM again that stooled the head from HSB and forced them to wait and only now KTM let HSB launch an engine with this engine head

I also bet that many internal engine parts are the same but arranged in a different way and using different cases.

in plain english ... without babelfish & co.

http://www.motokonig.fi/cms/etusivu/uut ... l?open=425

When KTM bought Husaberg I figured the biz plan would be just like this.

Husaberg is the technology R&D testing ground for future KTM products.

Life on the bleeding edge.

Reading the entry blerb, it doesn't look to have the separate oiling systems like the new KTM has, but a system similar to the old Berg with an additional pump in the upper end (most likely cam driven) to drain the rocker cavity. Pumps it back to the tranny. The new rockers without the adjusters may have originated with the Berg designer, but it isn't really anything new from a design standpoint.
dan

Dsducati did you notice the hydraulic line between top and bottom, right next to the starter motor? It may be a separate oil circulation system...

engineers tend to be into new things.

Except on weekends!

fmoffroad said:

I like this photo. Let the games begin. Forget competion between Honda and Yamaha... I have a feeling we may see very interesting things out of BMW and Husaberg/KTM in the next couple years.

EDIT: Fine, be that way... take down your photos and leave a big red x on my post.

For those of you who didn't get to see - it was a BMW tech and Jens from Husaberg looking over the new 'Berg together.

Click to expand...

I have posted those links just about everywhere and over night they went away. Sorry 'bout that.

Here is the pic you wanted, slightly relocated.
I didn't see it myself but the BMW guy apparently is Joel Smets who won several World MX gold medals for Husaberg in the '90s

Currently everthing they do and release is only for off road purpose. I´m wondering if they will fabricate a different bike for SM or even use another swingarm. I guess the swingarm will be to small to get a 5 inch rim fixed in the centre incl. a stock street tire. It really sucks that SM always comes second. SM is always a compromise. And what´s also missing is the separation between the engine and the transmission oil. Or have you been told anything else?

yes .... i was one of the ktm haters , i was one who blurted out nonsense about how ktm bought berg to control it .... to destroy it .

well i was wrong big time ... but i feel no shame .

i plan to buy a KTM 300 soon [ snivel ]

:roll:

yeah, it is smets.
gorans got a similar photo but in that 1 i wasn't sure it was smets.

Thats a very cost effective decsion whosahberg. I like your thinking.

However the other day you said you had an 09 Berg on order already?

Now thats one nice shed filled with a ktm 300 and 09 Berg.

Jocke_D said:

I have posted those links just about everywhere and over night they went away. Sorry 'bout that.

Here is the pic you wanted, slightly relocated.
I didn't see it myself but the BMW guy apparently is Joel Smets who won several World MX gold medals for Husaberg in the '90s

Click to expand...

Is OK, that is the way of the web. Steal a pic, you take the risk.

Joel may still have a bit of Berg running in his veins from the look on his face. :wink:

Lefrog,
I would assume that line is the return to the tranny from the sump pump in the rocker area. Rockers are stated to be pressure fed from the main oiling system. For this to be the return line, have to assume the rockers are pressure fed through internal cylinder oil passages as per 01-03. Am assuming a bit here.
dan