incredible or unbelievable deal?
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Joined Mar 2006
2K Posts | 4+
mid-wales, uk
exchanged brief e-mails with dcr racing and apparently it is down to ktm wanting to re-vamp how they sell the husaberg range.
rather harsh treatment for all the loyal dealers and for dcr in pacticular, it was after all daves dad who imported the first bikes years ago and they've supported them all the way, as have the other dealers.
all the dealers have got the parts and knowledge to keep our bikes going for a good few years so personally i'll be going to the old dealers as my first point of call.
new dealer wise, if it turns out that their looking to sell thru ktm dealers, how happy do you think a ktm dealer will be when someone walks in with a berg to be fixed or to try and PX it. cant see it being good reception myself.
i know non-husaberg dealers now who , ".....wont touch them with a barge pole" thats an actual quote from a local dealer. so when the new bike is avalible its only going to get worse.
ps. still no reply from KTM Managing Director of Worldwide Sales and Marketing, Hubert Trunkenpolz, KTM UK or anyone at Husaberg. strange that.
taffy, wants a factory racers phone book. i happen to be on a factory racers email list so when he sends out his xmas cards in bulk email it get alot of other interesting email adresses that i add to my contacts, lol.
rather harsh treatment for all the loyal dealers and for dcr in pacticular, it was after all daves dad who imported the first bikes years ago and they've supported them all the way, as have the other dealers.
all the dealers have got the parts and knowledge to keep our bikes going for a good few years so personally i'll be going to the old dealers as my first point of call.
new dealer wise, if it turns out that their looking to sell thru ktm dealers, how happy do you think a ktm dealer will be when someone walks in with a berg to be fixed or to try and PX it. cant see it being good reception myself.
i know non-husaberg dealers now who , ".....wont touch them with a barge pole" thats an actual quote from a local dealer. so when the new bike is avalible its only going to get worse.
ps. still no reply from KTM Managing Director of Worldwide Sales and Marketing, Hubert Trunkenpolz, KTM UK or anyone at Husaberg. strange that.
taffy, wants a factory racers phone book. i happen to be on a factory racers email list so when he sends out his xmas cards in bulk email it get alot of other interesting email adresses that i add to my contacts, lol.
Joined Jun 2001
1K Posts | 3+
Berkshire, England
cypher said:
Then that is what they should have said to the existing dealerships; given them the standards they desire and an opportunity to meet them over a period of time.
The thing is that KTM have given absolutely zero support to the Husaberg franchise for years and instead let them all struggle on their own.
If they had two brain cells to rub together they would realise it is about co-operation and that if they actually made some effort to support and assist the network it might have had the chance to become what they want in the first place.
Any successful business that relies on an effectively outsourced distribution channel must work closely with that channel to make it work.
If the person who initiated all this and was responsible for the Husaberg brand under my management, they wouldn't survive very long in their employment.
I think it is all a complete farce.....
Simon
Joined Dec 2005
1K Posts | 0+
australia
so they drop off all the loyal dealers who stood by them all the way , and now they release a new generation berg and expect it to sell
what a pack of ****wits
what a pack of ****wits
FYI
The local dealer in my neighborhood is and has been a KTM dealer for years. I used to deal with him back when KTM's were the odd ball brand and only quirky weirdo's like me rode them to great effect!
Now, as I understand it, (haven't spoken with him yet but will today) he is no longer a dealer either. Easy to see as the sign is no longer there will check his ad in CN to see if that has been removed as well. The worst part about it is that his mechanic is the best, and he is an honest small shop where you don't have to worry about getting screwed.
A bunch of us were in the lounge last night and a one of the true enthusiast dealers stopped by and offered a few facts about the new deal, which did not sound unreasonable at all. I'll be continuing my homework on this subject and my plan is to eventually write a letter to KTM NA and the other guy that Cypher mentioned to lay out the case for us here in the People's Rupublik of Kalifornia. It will probably be dust in the wind but I have to try, it's in my nature to right any wrongs or make things better. Better to try and fail than to fail by not trying at all.
I will need all of the faithful here on the site as I intend to make it an open letter with signatures of all the folks here and a thread to support it so that it can be checked by the receivers of said letter.
The local dealer in my neighborhood is and has been a KTM dealer for years. I used to deal with him back when KTM's were the odd ball brand and only quirky weirdo's like me rode them to great effect!
Now, as I understand it, (haven't spoken with him yet but will today) he is no longer a dealer either. Easy to see as the sign is no longer there will check his ad in CN to see if that has been removed as well. The worst part about it is that his mechanic is the best, and he is an honest small shop where you don't have to worry about getting screwed.
A bunch of us were in the lounge last night and a one of the true enthusiast dealers stopped by and offered a few facts about the new deal, which did not sound unreasonable at all. I'll be continuing my homework on this subject and my plan is to eventually write a letter to KTM NA and the other guy that Cypher mentioned to lay out the case for us here in the People's Rupublik of Kalifornia. It will probably be dust in the wind but I have to try, it's in my nature to right any wrongs or make things better. Better to try and fail than to fail by not trying at all.
I will need all of the faithful here on the site as I intend to make it an open letter with signatures of all the folks here and a thread to support it so that it can be checked by the receivers of said letter.
Joined Feb 2003
3K Posts | 384+
Escondido, Ca. USA
Burleson said KTM's definition of a successful dealer is: A) a dealer who is profitable with the brand; B) a dealer with market penetration equal to or above the national average; C) a dealer who provides a top-level customer buying experience; and D) a dealer who is dedicated to the KTM brand.
Dedication, he said, includes having a dedicated KTM area on the showfloor, a dedicated KTM salesperson or "orange bleeder," a dedicated service area and technician, and full participation in KTM-related product programs.
KTM North America's strategy for 2007 includes: 1) steadily expanding its position in the off-highway competition segment; 2) further advancing into the sports-oriented street segment; 3) developing a stronger, more profitable dealer network capable of supporting KTM's existing and expanding product line; and 4) developing related products that will improve KTM dealer financial strength as well as enforce the loyalty and quality perception of the KTM brand.
http://www.allbusiness.com/arts-entertainment-recreation/3902076-1.html
Dedication, he said, includes having a dedicated KTM area on the showfloor, a dedicated KTM salesperson or "orange bleeder," a dedicated service area and technician, and full participation in KTM-related product programs.
KTM North America's strategy for 2007 includes: 1) steadily expanding its position in the off-highway competition segment; 2) further advancing into the sports-oriented street segment; 3) developing a stronger, more profitable dealer network capable of supporting KTM's existing and expanding product line; and 4) developing related products that will improve KTM dealer financial strength as well as enforce the loyalty and quality perception of the KTM brand.
http://www.allbusiness.com/arts-entertainment-recreation/3902076-1.html
Joined Mar 2005
514 Posts | 6+
Sunset desert/ Murray River. S.A/Victoria Australi
Wouldnt it be much easier for KTM to just put orange plastics on it,and call it the KTM EXC-H-W or something??
I mean, they are not really "Husabergs" as such any more, are they......??
Seems the "clean sheet" of paper wasnt only for the new bike design...............
I mean, they are not really "Husabergs" as such any more, are they......??
Seems the "clean sheet" of paper wasnt only for the new bike design...............
husabutt said:
Don't forget that prices are quoted with the tax included in Europe and it's usually around 20%.
It would be like pricing it at $4500 in a US dealership knowing that you still have to pay taxes.
husabutt said:
Well, after reading the entire article it is clear that KTM is going for market domination of several segments of motorcycle riders. Their line of bikes covers the vast array of demographics associated with off road and street, starting with the more adventuresome and or youngest to the more mature. The move I find disturbing, mainly b/c of the audience's response was to the video of the prototype ATV, which was "wild" applause. The ATV market is the fastest growing segment of the business and has been so for about the last 8 or 10 years. My personal bias about this is that anyone can ride an ATV, but not everyone can ride a motorcycle. This fact has led to many land use issues, as well as geopolitical issues as the carnage of the broken bodies of the ******** and disrespectful continue to mount, for the simple fact that these high performance machines are usually bought by those with little or no experience with high power to weight ratio vehicles and the grossly misplaced confidence of said individuals that comes from driving automobiles.
Again, that is a personal prejudice that I have based on my years of observations, and parallels can be drawn with the three wheeler craze of the early 80's that eventually led to congressional oversight and the ultimate outlawing of the importation of 3 wheelers.
So, KTM is very concerned with numbers of units sold, and in particular the amount of particular units sold as they represent an increase of revenue that is higher than the increase of the number of units sold. They are also trying to move into the sport bike arena, an area of high sales numbers in the motorcycle buying public, and am sure they would like to have the controlling share of the market there. The above listed approach of a successful KTM dealer sounds a little Amway product though. But hey, good for them, they have come back from the brink of bankruptcy to a major player to be reckoned with, and have maintained an identity apart from the follow the leader japanese manufacturer's way of doing things.
Joined Mar 2006
2K Posts | 4+
mid-wales, uk
a quick update from our spy at the bike show who rang me.
the dirt cheap price of £3995 is due to ktm uk wanting to clear out every husaberg they can before the new model arrives, so they start with a clean sheet.
of the 6 uk dealers it looks as if mid-west racing is being retained as is 1 or possibly 2 others and they are actively looking for a dealer or 2 to cover the north of the country.
doesnt look as gloomy as first thought, except for those dealers that have been dropped, though i still believe that its not been handled very well. ok its only a small market share but a press release would have been nice explaining what was going on the those interesred ie. us
the dirt cheap price of £3995 is due to ktm uk wanting to clear out every husaberg they can before the new model arrives, so they start with a clean sheet.
of the 6 uk dealers it looks as if mid-west racing is being retained as is 1 or possibly 2 others and they are actively looking for a dealer or 2 to cover the north of the country.
doesnt look as gloomy as first thought, except for those dealers that have been dropped, though i still believe that its not been handled very well. ok its only a small market share but a press release would have been nice explaining what was going on the those interesred ie. us
Still drops the arse out of the price of the ones that people already own or just bought. Making it hard for them to update etc later.
Joined Feb 2003
3K Posts | 384+
Escondido, Ca. USA
Who needs a dealer anyway in the U.K. as they have online motorcycle ordering?
1. Please read the terms of conditions before ordering.
2. Choose a HUSABERG model in the HUSABERG online shop and add it to the shopping cart by clicking on the trolley symbol.
3. Now you can set the quantity you want to order. Confirm this step by clicking the "check out" button.
4. If you are an already registered customer choose "I am a returning customer, and my password is:". Otherwise choose "I am a new customer". Confirm by clicking "sign in using our secure server".
5. Address input: If you are an already registered customer please make sure that your personal information has not changed since your last visit. If you are a new customer please enter your personal data. Confirm by clicking "sign in using our secure server".
6. Select your dealer: Please choose your supplying HUSABERG dealer. Confirm by clicking "continue".
7. Select items: In order to confirm your purchase you will be asked to make 10% downpayment of the suggested retail price with credit card. Proceed by clicking "continue".
8. Payment: Please enter your credit card details now and confirm by clicking "continue".
9. Confirmation: With the final step you can check your order details. By clicking "order now" your credit card will be debited with 10% down-payment of the suggested retail price and an order confirmation will be sent to your email address. This email also contains information on the delivery process.
10. Thank you for buying a HUSABERG motorcycle.
https://shop.husaberg.com/Husaberg-Online-Shop.137.3.html
If we get online Husaberg motorcycle ordering in the states we won't really need a dealer either.
1. Please read the terms of conditions before ordering.
2. Choose a HUSABERG model in the HUSABERG online shop and add it to the shopping cart by clicking on the trolley symbol.
3. Now you can set the quantity you want to order. Confirm this step by clicking the "check out" button.
4. If you are an already registered customer choose "I am a returning customer, and my password is:". Otherwise choose "I am a new customer". Confirm by clicking "sign in using our secure server".
5. Address input: If you are an already registered customer please make sure that your personal information has not changed since your last visit. If you are a new customer please enter your personal data. Confirm by clicking "sign in using our secure server".
6. Select your dealer: Please choose your supplying HUSABERG dealer. Confirm by clicking "continue".
7. Select items: In order to confirm your purchase you will be asked to make 10% downpayment of the suggested retail price with credit card. Proceed by clicking "continue".
8. Payment: Please enter your credit card details now and confirm by clicking "continue".
9. Confirmation: With the final step you can check your order details. By clicking "order now" your credit card will be debited with 10% down-payment of the suggested retail price and an order confirmation will be sent to your email address. This email also contains information on the delivery process.
10. Thank you for buying a HUSABERG motorcycle.
https://shop.husaberg.com/Husaberg-Online-Shop.137.3.html
If we get online Husaberg motorcycle ordering in the states we won't really need a dealer either.
So does this means Dave Clarke Racing are out in the cold, as i have found them to be the most helpful, friendliest bike shop i have ever dealt with
Hopefully not, just lets hope that the people at KTM wake up from there nightmare and realise what they are about to do to there product.chamber66 said:
Regards
Sparks.
Joined Mar 2006
2K Posts | 4+
mid-wales, uk
husabutt said:
im hoping you posted this tongue-in-cheek.
if not you obviously haven't looked into this much as the ordering says that the bike will be delivered to the dealer of your choice, assembled and prep'd before u pick it up.
did you think the postman was going to drop it at our houses.
and personally i'd take a dealer who deals from a shed in his garden but who knows what
is what over a big fancy shop where they're not really interested.
also how can you say that anywhere doesnt need dealers. thats such a stupid statement that the counter arguement is just too big and obvious for me to bother typing it here.
if we didnt have any dealers, where the hell do you think you will get any spare parts? or service for your bikes as you have no access to spares direct from KTM.
Joined Dec 2004
2K Posts | 248+
back in cottonwood, az
easy, big fella, easy 8) sounded tongue-in-cheek to me.
this all sounds like what harley did back 10-15 years ago (or was it 20? time flies when yer havin' fun) on their way to establishing the network of large mainstream dealerships we all know and love today.
could this be the end of an era?
Joined Feb 2003
3K Posts | 384+
Escondido, Ca. USA
cypher said:
Well then I suppose we do in fact need good quality dealers after all. This was exactly the point I was attempting to make. Next time my sarcasm gets the best of me I will attach a smiley face so that there will be no confusion :wink:
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