where's the 2009 Hbg?

Last comment on the subject, but saying that the PDS (no linkage) is inferior at least for anything other than supercross seems a little silly to me.

Let me see...Lafferty, Knight, Juha, Lungren (spelling), are tops in their professional classes as we speak. Caselli is winning WORCS races out west as well. At least in the USA, it's a freakin' sea of orange at every off road race.

tm-enduro said:

Johnf3 said:

Last comment on the subject, but saying that the PDS (no linkage) is inferior at least for anything other than supercross seems a little silly to me.

Let me see...Lafferty, Knight, Juha, Lungren (spelling), are tops in their professional classes as we speak. Caselli is winning WORCS races out west as well. At least in the USA, it's a freakin' sea of orange at every off road race.

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They are not using the production shock either. They use a WP PDS shock that uses Ohlins licensed internals.

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I happen to know of a USA ISDE Junior Trophy Team rider, finished on Gold (one of 6 Americans) in New Zealand last year. He absolutely flies. Cole Kirkpatrick is his name and he rides KTM. He is a member of Lubbock Trail Riders, my affilated club, and I can assure you he has no special shock with Olins internals. He has top 5 National Enduro/Qualifier speed.

Lafferty's shock doesn't either. His is stock suspension valved by Alan Randt from Enduro Engineering.

Although I don't doubt there is a shock out there as you describe, not many have it or need it.

Johnf3 said:

tm-enduro said:

Johnf3 said:

Last comment on the subject, but saying that the PDS (no linkage) is inferior at least for anything other than supercross seems a little silly to me.

Let me see...Lafferty, Knight, Juha, Lungren (spelling), are tops in their professional classes as we speak. Caselli is winning WORCS races out west as well. At least in the USA, it's a freakin' sea of orange at every off road race.

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They are not using the production shock either. They use a WP PDS shock that uses Ohlins licensed internals.

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I happen to know of a USA ISDE Junior Trophy Team rider, finished on Gold (one of 6 Americans) in New Zealand last year. He absolutely flies. Cole Kirkpatrick is his name and he rides KTM. He is a member of Lubbock Trail Riders, my affilated club, and I can assure you he has no special shock with Olins internals. He has top 5 National Enduro/Qualifier speed.

Lafferty's shock doesn't either. His is stock suspension valved by Alan Randt from Enduro Engineering.

Although I don't doubt there is a shock out there as you describe, not many have it or need it.

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I'm not that talented........

And in Minnesota, that sea of orange, is getting smaller every year.

The gas cap issue didn't help.

bikebarnbeckman said:

the 380 sure is fun though.

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That is what I have been thinking....... :twisted:

Until I got distracted by that darn YZ.

tm-enduro said:

I'm with you on this one. I don't think that PDS is a reason not to get a KTM or Hbg, it sure won't hold me back from getting a 2009.

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I tend to agree, it just may have another bike to keep company other than the trials bike and my 400.....

I reckon the PDS shock is awesome for the average rider, and by all accounts some of the Aust suspension tuners have had excellent results with them using their own valve needles - some are even patenting their own needle profiles.

Roll on 2009 - maybe by 2010 I'll be able to afford one!

Azza.

As i first started thinking about purchasing a husaberg the pds was one focus. But now that i ride the bike in the fourth season i know that i am not the kind of rider who is able to bring the shock to its limit.

Even more desinformation. "Revolutionary design, like nothing else on the market"...

I don´t know what´s so wrong with PDS.
Ok, I must admit that the factory setting is often not the best, but more ore less it works well for a wide range of rider weigths.
Second I must admit that a professional suspension tuner can take a lot more of performance out of a standard strut. Now mine works really smooth on bumps and gives me a lots of reserves at higher jumps even at landing in flats.
So what else do I need? I am happy with my PDS. I don´t want linkages anymore. More links, bearings that can fail, at least wear out.

I was a bit disappointed that HBG needs that much time for introducing their new model.
I can´t await the show in Milano, I´m really curious about it.

What I heard (but surely not officially) is that they are planning to equip the 650 Supermoto for one or two years longer with the old engine.
Only the enduro version will get this new revolutionary engine. Later on they want to introduce/implement this new engine for the supermoto but only with 570 ccm (maybe
with the same power as today´s 650). I think and hope after extensive testing it for reliability.
The arrangement of crank, cylinder and transmission should be really revolutionary, from what I heard.
For the suspension they seem to be not assure to have PDS or a linkage system.

Let´s wait 4 weeks and see if they are going to disclose the secrets about the new Bergs. :wink:

This guy is replacing the original PDS combination of piston and springs and uses a rubber ballon. This is, so he told me once, the way öhlins handles the PDS theme. And as you can see he is a öhlins dealer too.

http://www.zweirad-dietrich.de/

click the "Fahrwerk" button and then the picture.

whilst my german is not hot. i see what you mean. the wp standard shock has a piston inside that seperates the oil from the gas inside the piggyback bottle. whilst the dealers replaceing it with a rubber bladder in this case.

think this would come in the interesting but not groundbreaking catagory as this system has been used on shocks for years.

wonder if it makes a noticible difference?

cypher said:

whilst my german is not hot. i see what you mean. the wp standard shock has a piston inside that seperates the oil from the gas inside the piggyback bottle. whilst the dealers replaceing it with a rubber bladder in this case.

think this would come in the interesting but not groundbreaking catagory as this system has been used on shocks for years.

wonder if it makes a noticible difference?

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RaceTech here in the USA, as well as most other suspension tuners, can convert the shock to a bladder, or sell you a kit to do the job yourself. The main advantage I see is that you don't need a special bleed pump to work on the shock and it uses a standard Schrader valve to charge with nitrogen.

I've ridden several converted PDS bladder shocks, and I couldn't feel any advantage.

A little birdie has told me (yesterday actually, trustworthy source) that the ALL-NEW 2009 design will be revealed as a concept at EICMA in Milan this November ( 6 - 11 ).
Forward leaning cylinder, 560cc ( :x ) and so on....

If a go with the plane that leaves the 7th and go home the 9th it will at least be a cheap flight :!:

Hey, that birdie was in my town arround may 2006. Forward leaning cylinder, aluminium frame. But to be honest with you, i didn´t believe him.

@Joke D.
Don´t forget to make a lot of proof photos if you fly. And pay attention to the details. :idea:

well same the whispers have been heard here in Australia as well originating out of the importer !

Sounds good cant wait !!

So what would people like to see?
Aluminum or steel for the frame?

I would prefer they stay with steel. Stick with what you know, i guess.

I prefer the one piece steel frame.