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Street Legal ?

The question of street legal bikes seems to come up alot on this forum. Is it a major factor that yo

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I accept that you may have been hosed back in the day Dale L, but I think the grandfather clause will hold true. There must be many many thousands of motorcycle owners in California. I find it odd that they would suddenly pass a law requiring everyone to abide by. I also understand that they may have done this before (when/where I don't know), but even the Govinator has a bike that would fall under the same laws (bad arguement, I know).

I also find it nearly impossible to pass a law specifically for OHV's, that would require them to be cleaner than On-Road vehicles. The rich do see us (OHV owners) as scum, and they are in charge, so that could actually happen.

$200,000 is a ton of money. Dale, how much of that cost is simply paper (forms, fees, etc...)??

-Parsko
 
A different perspective:

As world population increases and a leveling of the worlds economy continues, enviornmental and consumption issues become ever more pressing.As we struggle through the internal combustion age we know for certain that emissions are doing real and possibly permanent damage to our planet.Pointing the finger at others changes nothing .
Guns...if no one has one, no one needs one.
War...In order to insure peace one must prepare for peace....
Governments...the are guided by the will of the people....we must accept that this does not result in many responsible decisions in the short run....its a poor system but its the best we have.
Motorcycles.....fantastic machines that let me feel free and forget about all of the above.
 
Hi Luke,
The issue is that of a street legal off road motorcycle. Said motorcycle would need to meet current street emission levels. Not tighter emission levels. Where did that notion come from?

Grandfather clause?
A street titled 2004 Husaberg coming under fire for being non compliant certainly does not fall into such a category. We are not talking a 45 flat head Harley.

I built a blown / injected 1989 Winnebago in 1989. Said Winnebago was legal when I built it. A year later (BAR 90) it was illegal.

Emissions testing is accumulative, weighs total pollutants over a given time, distance and drive cycle program. All to SAE standards.

What does it cost to rent a laboratory and qualified engineers?
Ever tried to rent a wind tunnel Luke? :D

Thus far:
I think, it should be, I can't imagine, etc. seem to be common replies to the emissions topic.

People, where are your facts?

I am giving you facts and you still wish to debate. :?

Dale
 
Funny you should ask Dale. Sometimes I feel like I am working with the UAW at work. We'll have 5-7 engineers standing over something, each costing the company at least $40/hour. This happens all over the place too. But, labor costs for about 5000 people in a billion dollar company is just a drop in the bucket.

I'm not sure what Highland pulls in a year, but I can imagine that $200,000 is a noticable percentage of that. I also can imagine the same applies to Husaberg proper.

Another question about CARB. You mentioned it is done by weight, right? Even with a well tuned FI system, you think it would still fail?

Mild tangent. I know that European focus and American focus on emissions testing is somewhat opposite. US worries mostly about CO, while Europe mostly about particulates (mostly diesel here). I know they don't require emissions for motorcycles here, but they do randomly check for modifications. If you have made them, you get fined. One shock for me here is quiet Harley's. There aren't too many Harley's around here, but the ones that are here are harder to see!

-Parsko
 
LINEAWEAVER said:
I am giving you facts and you still wish to debate. :?

Dale

No debate from me, I'm just tryin to learn something. Questions help me learn. Dumb questions help everyone learn! :D

-P

PS- What goes on in Ca. affects the rest of the US, so I ask...
 
NOX is a big issue. Unfortunately what reduces NOX increases CO and HC.

All data is by accumulative weight. Gasses are collected over a given drive cycle then weighed.

It is not as many believe a simple sniffer test @ part throttle.

Dale
 
nsman said:
A different perspective:

As world population increases and a leveling of the worlds economy continues, enviornmental and consumption issues become ever more pressing.As we struggle through the internal combustion age we know for certain that emissions are doing real and possibly permanent damage to our planet.Pointing the finger at others changes nothing .
Guns...if no one has one, no one needs one.
War...In order to insure peace one must prepare for peace....
Governments...the are guided by the will of the people....we must except that this does not result in many responsible decisions in the short run....its a poor system but its the best we have.
Motorcycles.....fantastic machines that let me feel free and forget about all of the above.

Too bad the genies already outa the bottle on the first two...as they say, when guns (or motorcycles) are outlawed, only outlaws...(you know the rest) And as far as governments being guided by the will of the people, a noble concept, but unfortunately the "Golden Rule" always trumps all others. (ie: Golden Rule = Those with the GOLD get to make the RULES!)
Living in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, I pay taxes not only to support the endless State bureaucracy, but the Feds, as well as supporting MILLIONS of "un-documented aliens" (read: felons) who exploit every loophole imaginable to obtain free education, medical care etc. The fact that some tin horn legislator with the Sierra club and every other enviro-nazi group lining his/her pockets to prevent me from riding the bikes I own, where and when I want is all the justification I need to do as I please. Call it short sighted, or "putting my head in the sand" but I can/will "game" the system too, and not lose a minutes sleep over it. Ever watch the G.L.B.T. (gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgender) parade every year on TV here in San Francisco? Each year it is led by the motorcycle contingent "***** on Bikes", and NONE of them are wearing helmets, while riding openly thru the city. If ANYONE else tried that you wouldn't make it 5 minutes without being pulled over, given a $300. citation, a point against your licence, and refusal of letting you ride away from the traffic stop until a DOT certified helmet was worn. Special interest groups ("squeaky wheels") will continue to get legislation that suits their agenda. Unfortunately in America, all we have fighting for motorcyclists rights is the (gag-gag) AMA, who should stick to selling rally pins to the harley riders they cow-tow to and leave racing regulations and government lobbying efforts to someone who has a clue. In otherwords, we're screwed. In Southern Calif. several cities have recently passed laws making it illegal to off road ride ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY! Dirt/offroad bikes, you make the call, street bikes, leave yer licence plate UNDER your seat with one loose bolt still attached to a corner so IF you decide to stop, you can just say, "yeah, I just noticed it coming off, so I put it here till I got back home to fix it sir..." You'd be suprised how liberating it is to ride plateless, I wish EVERYONE did! I know what some of you may think of all this, but in the not too distant future, we will all look back on this as the "golden age" of motorcycles. I can legally own/ride a 150 HP street legal 180 MPH bike that I can buy from a dealer for less than $15,000, (or a 60 HP dirtbike) That my friends will soon be a thing of the past when the environMENTAL and insurance groups get their way, and they will 'cause THEY HAVE THE GOLD. (end of rant, returning to normal programming) :(
 
So the moral of this story is if I get a *** change, and become a **** on a bike, I can ride helmetless without fear of citation? :lol:
 
RockyMt,
Its nice to hear your kind,gentle and tolerant position.Please tell us how you really feel. :D
 
Brendan said:
So the moral of this story is if I get a *** change, and become a **** on a bike, I can ride helmetless without fear of citation? :lol:

Truth be told a citation would be the least of your concerns. :lol: LOL
 
Everyone that feels strongly about a cause considers the people with the conflicting viewpoints as special interest groups.Few will concede that that the largest special interest group is the majority...and they win!
Think of the planet earth as belonging to everyone living on the planet...boundaries do not define ownership,only responsibility.
People who are different than you are only different than you.
The more dense the population the more rules are required to maintain civil order.
The hardest one and the most difficult for too many people.....If it can be acquired with money,its worth very little.
 

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nsman said:
Everyone that feels strongly about a cause considers the people with the conflicting viewpoints as special interest groups.Few will concede that that the largest special interest group is the majority...and they win!
Think of the planet earth as belonging to everyone living on the planet...boundaries do not define ownership,only resposibility.
"People who are different than you are only different than you".
The more dense the population the more rules are required to maintain civil order.
The hardest one and the most difficult for too many people.....If it can be acquired with money,its worth very little.

Hi Nsman,
Rapists, pedophiles, murderers and the like are
special interest groups. All quite different than myself.
Regarding civil order, when my idea of proper moral conduct is
threatened I have little trouble deciding whom shall be the hammer and
whom shall be the nail. :D

Sincerely,
Dale
 
Re: Emissions

Back to the point:

In my opinion pollutant reduction remains in it's infancy.

If one believes nothing is neither created nor destroyed returning pollutants to their benign nature is not a hard concept to grasp.

Dale
 
BACK TO THE POINT

This is a poll question about whether you would like to have a street legal berg or not. It is NOT how,why,why not, or how much it would cost.
Just me being a Moderazi keeping things on track :bash:
:twisted: :twisted: :p :p :twisted: :twisted: :D :) :eek: :lol: :wink:
 
Bobzilla said:
BACK TO THE POINT

This is a poll question about whether you would like to have a street legal berg or not. It is NOT how,why,why not, or how much it would cost.
Just me being a Moderazi keeping things on track :bash:
:twisted: :twisted: :p :p :twisted: :twisted: :D :) :eek: :lol: :wink:

Well then,
For a street legal "Berg" to exist such would need to comply with federal emissions regulations. Would you prefer a $12K, 10 lb catalytic converter equipped model or a more offroad friendly alternative? :shock:

:lol: LOL

How to obtain street legal status is indeed relevant to such a poll.

Hope you are well Bob.

Dale
 
LINEAWEAVER said:
Bobzilla said:
BACK TO THE POINT

This is a poll question about whether you would like to have a street legal berg or not. It is NOT how,why,why not, or how much it would cost.
Just me being a Moderazi keeping things on track :bash:
:twisted: :twisted: :p :p :twisted: :twisted: :D :) :eek: :lol: :wink:

Well then,
For a street legal "Berg" to exist such would need to comply with federal emissions regulations. Would you prefer a $12K, 10 lb catalytic converter equipped model or a more offroad friendly alternative? :shock:

:lol: LOL

How to obtain street legal status is indeed relevant to such a poll.

Hope you are well Bob.

Dale

New user chiming in

Wouldn't the goal be to follow in the same steps as Husqvarna? Whatever they did passed :D ! Yamaha has been producing bikes, the WR's, that cannot be ridden competitively in the state they are sold because throttle openings are limited to pass sound requirements. Technologically, shouldn't Husaberg be able to get there?

Todd
 
Hi Todd,
Unfortunately the emissions noose is in a continuous state of tightening.

Short term fixes do exist, however, the certification process is expensive and on a yearly basis likely considered cost prohibitive by many manufacturers.

JMHO
Dale
 

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