kelsow said:
You forgot the cattle in the midwest and prairies......they produce more green house gasses than all motorcycles put together!
insert converter here ! :fart:
Street Legal ?
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You forgot the cattle in the midwest and prairies......they produce more green house gasses than all motorcycles put together!
insert converter here ! :fart:
the last thing you do is send Dale in to talk with these folks :lol: he can be the technical brains along with other hard working engineers and bike builders, but don't sent Mr. Charming in to see Ms. EPA :shocked: :snipersmile: :rofl:[/quote]
Bobby-boy, having known Dale for more years than either one of us is willing to admit, both on a personal as well as a professional basis, let me offer some insight to your comment. I've seen him deal with everyone from past and present (as well as one future) world champion along with bozo's, posers, squids and wanna-bees and everyone in between. One thing never changes, you will receive the same level of respect and courtesy as you give the man. Nowadays it is increasingly rare to find someone who "is what you see" there's no pretention, or attitude, just one of the most competent and thorough tuners I have ever had the pleasure to work with. Yes, you may have found Dale doesn't suffer fools gladly, and has no qualms about taking you down at the knees when provoked, however he has always been a gracious host, and an honest and trustworthy businessman and most importantly HIS WORD IS HIS BOND! I have seen people taken to task by Mr. Lineaweaver and say, "jeez, what a @$&*!" to them my reply is to ask yourself honestly, looking back at the encounter, if the roles were reversed, how would you have reacted.... :idea:
Bobby-boy, having known Dale for more years than either one of us is willing to admit, both on a personal as well as a professional basis, let me offer some insight to your comment. I've seen him deal with everyone from past and present (as well as one future) world champion along with bozo's, posers, squids and wanna-bees and everyone in between. One thing never changes, you will receive the same level of respect and courtesy as you give the man. Nowadays it is increasingly rare to find someone who "is what you see" there's no pretention, or attitude, just one of the most competent and thorough tuners I have ever had the pleasure to work with. Yes, you may have found Dale doesn't suffer fools gladly, and has no qualms about taking you down at the knees when provoked, however he has always been a gracious host, and an honest and trustworthy businessman and most importantly HIS WORD IS HIS BOND! I have seen people taken to task by Mr. Lineaweaver and say, "jeez, what a @$&*!" to them my reply is to ask yourself honestly, looking back at the encounter, if the roles were reversed, how would you have reacted.... :idea:
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Escondido, Ca. USA
Before we worry about Global warming I think we need to fix the ozone layer. Since smog creates ozone we need to remove all emmision controls and run our internal combustion engines 24/7 until the ozone layer is restored. Then we can work on becomming vegitarians :lol:DR-Zed said:
Joined Jul 2001
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El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
On my race box:
"stupidity should be painful" and "I know how you feel, I just don't care".
I have pointed out said stickers more than once.
Dale
PS
It is a welding hood not a "Hat".
"stupidity should be painful" and "I know how you feel, I just don't care".
I have pointed out said stickers more than once.
Dale
PS
It is a welding hood not a "Hat".
Joined Oct 2004
1K Posts | 14+
nova scotia
Possibly we should be careful what we wish for.A street legal ,emission compliant, Husaberg may have a greater market appeal,but it will be heavier,slower,quieter,probably hold more oil and have a cush drive.It may be a better bike for the average motorcycle buyer...but is it really the bike YOU want?
I would rather see development towards making it a better off road bike for the discerning , dedicated ,off road enthusiast.If there are places where it can be made street legal thats great,but I don't think any compromise should be made to the product to meet this end.
.....I know someone who is going to say"too late"
I would rather see development towards making it a better off road bike for the discerning , dedicated ,off road enthusiast.If there are places where it can be made street legal thats great,but I don't think any compromise should be made to the product to meet this end.
.....I know someone who is going to say"too late"
Joined Oct 2005
687 Posts | 0+
Folsom, CA
The 2006 street legal husky TEs come with a competition jet kit, with instructions that say if take out the throttle stop and you insert this needle and the jetting you void the street legalness. The bike rocks and is a great performer, 49 hp. that is 3 hp more then the ktm and wrf, 4 more then the 450x. per Dirt Bike or was it Dirt rider last month, they didnt test the Husaberg.
My point Husky was the HP king and it comes street legal. seems Husaberg has to find away to improve performance and be street legal. de-tuning which kinda makes no sense as I type it how can de-tuning produce better emissions but whatever, - street legal tuning vs competition yada yada I dont know what Im talking about is only ok if a competition kit is provided ala what husky did.
My point Husky was the HP king and it comes street legal. seems Husaberg has to find away to improve performance and be street legal. de-tuning which kinda makes no sense as I type it how can de-tuning produce better emissions but whatever, - street legal tuning vs competition yada yada I dont know what Im talking about is only ok if a competition kit is provided ala what husky did.
Joined Jul 2001
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El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Dale, you can't get away from it even during slow times, can you?
Striving for perfection in all that one does is not a character flaw.
Luke,
I have no "slow time". I am WOT 24 / 7.
Joined Jul 2005
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Högsby, Sweden
Friends and friendlies!
First let me say that this possibly the most productive and relevant thread in some time.
If you guys in the US want to impact the development of the brand, this is the way to go!
I am convinced this will be noted, and if not, I bet a good dollar Brett will make sure it gets the attention it deserves.
This is a major market with specific needs!
Since Husaberg is not primarily an MX/race brand it is even more important to keep our current breed of customers happy.
I vote this thread should be made "sticky" for some time (top of the list).
And you guys who haven´t voted, do so!
Although I currently live in Sweden, I strongly believe a "street legal" status of some kind is crucial. I just look at the way I use my bike over here, and realize what a drag it would be not to be able to register it for any kind of street use. Mine has waivers high and low, but at least it´s legal to go to and from the trail. AND I GET A PROPER THEFT INSURANCE.
So, although I´m no longer a US resident, I will cast a vote for VERY IMPORTANT.
On a different note, regarding EPA and equivalent buraeucrats, I have some experience.
Here´s how it works with gov agencies world wide: If it says so, it is so.
Except for the fine print in some countries (pay the man...)
I have a highly tuned -91 SAAB Turbo 2,3 that performs well below emissions standards (same as CA) without a cat converter. Legal? NO, NO, NO, NO!!!
Why? Because it just has to have a cat!
That simple.
If run on Ethanol, I have close to zero emissions. STILL NOT APPROVED!
Because I have altered the approved configuration!
So I bolt on an "empty" cat and pass!
Now I run a 0.001% chance of getting caught with straight pipes.
In CA there are no highway standards/safety tests at all.
But you cannot market a new product based on that.
My firm but humble opinion,
Peter
First let me say that this possibly the most productive and relevant thread in some time.
If you guys in the US want to impact the development of the brand, this is the way to go!
I am convinced this will be noted, and if not, I bet a good dollar Brett will make sure it gets the attention it deserves.
This is a major market with specific needs!
Since Husaberg is not primarily an MX/race brand it is even more important to keep our current breed of customers happy.
I vote this thread should be made "sticky" for some time (top of the list).
And you guys who haven´t voted, do so!
Although I currently live in Sweden, I strongly believe a "street legal" status of some kind is crucial. I just look at the way I use my bike over here, and realize what a drag it would be not to be able to register it for any kind of street use. Mine has waivers high and low, but at least it´s legal to go to and from the trail. AND I GET A PROPER THEFT INSURANCE.
So, although I´m no longer a US resident, I will cast a vote for VERY IMPORTANT.
On a different note, regarding EPA and equivalent buraeucrats, I have some experience.
Parsko said:
Here´s how it works with gov agencies world wide: If it says so, it is so.
Except for the fine print in some countries (pay the man...)
I have a highly tuned -91 SAAB Turbo 2,3 that performs well below emissions standards (same as CA) without a cat converter. Legal? NO, NO, NO, NO!!!
Why? Because it just has to have a cat!
That simple.
If run on Ethanol, I have close to zero emissions. STILL NOT APPROVED!
Because I have altered the approved configuration!
So I bolt on an "empty" cat and pass!
Now I run a 0.001% chance of getting caught with straight pipes.
In CA there are no highway standards/safety tests at all.
But you cannot market a new product based on that.
My firm but humble opinion,
Peter
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
For the record:
I have tremendous first hand experience with both CARB and EPA.
I built blown / injected RV coaches during most of the late eighties.
I was also a state certified emissions technician for CRC.
Contrary to what some believe I know how the "system" operates.
I also know my pollutants! 8O
My engines passed all criteria with exception of visual inspection.
IE "No CARB compliance label = illegal".
CARB certification is very expensive!
Simply Deja vu.
Dale
I have tremendous first hand experience with both CARB and EPA.
I built blown / injected RV coaches during most of the late eighties.
I was also a state certified emissions technician for CRC.
Contrary to what some believe I know how the "system" operates.
I also know my pollutants! 8O
My engines passed all criteria with exception of visual inspection.
IE "No CARB compliance label = illegal".
CARB certification is very expensive!
Simply Deja vu.
Dale
Joined Oct 2005
687 Posts | 0+
Folsom, CA
LINEAWEAVER said:
that said, and given the swedish fellow support of such a thing as a 50 state street legal Husaberg in the USA:
1.)who or what organization will take KTM/Husaberg thru the ropes at CARB?
2.)does Husaberg under KTM want to spend the money?
3.) is it really true that KTM is doing this for their EXC models in 2007?, if so, who/waht organization is taking them thru CARB.
To me this is a business decision and task by KTM/husaberg. They are big boys, kinda useless for me to suggest a plan here, and that has not been my premise. I am only bench racing here, yapping my key board mouth. I'm sure KTM/Husaberg doesn't give a ding dong for my opinion on this, nor should they.
Joined Jul 2005
181 Posts | 0+
Högsby, Sweden
We have to be sure that KTM/Husaberg takes this seriously, or there will not be a Husaberg brand.
(As if we matter that much... Well I think so!)
All what you see in CA is (good or bad) going to happen all over, so there really isn´t a question of if, rather of when.
Just let the Descision Makers know that we´re acutely aware of the problem, and ready to accept some adjustments to...??? We´ll see.
The new SAAB Ethanol Turbo delivers more power than the predecessor as a teaser..
Since we´re talking Swedish Engineering and not swiss cheese...
(As if we matter that much... Well I think so!)
All what you see in CA is (good or bad) going to happen all over, so there really isn´t a question of if, rather of when.
Just let the Descision Makers know that we´re acutely aware of the problem, and ready to accept some adjustments to...??? We´ll see.
The new SAAB Ethanol Turbo delivers more power than the predecessor as a teaser..
Since we´re talking Swedish Engineering and not swiss cheese...
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Aspen said:
I completely understand your point and concern.
Perhaps the cost to certify a single is simply not considered a good investment. 8O
I smell a more street biased twin on the horizon.
Dale
Joined Dec 2002
759 Posts | 0+
western NC
I think the downside of having a street legal Husaberg would be cost. The price of each bike would be at least $ 1500 higher than now. Personally I don`t think Husaberg would survive with such a huge price increase. Since they are part of KTM now it seems that if one can then the other sooner or later will. Major revisions might be in order. I agree " be careful what you wish for "
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