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Why isn't MotoXotica listed?

bikebarnbeckman said:
:shock: Wow, how quickly people turn...I still love the Bergs (sure my opinion is biased). Dont get me wrong SHerco is a good bike (heck, I raced our 2005 450 at the Fall Classic Team Race), so is GG (asuming you like 2-smokes), I dont know TM so I cant make a judgement on those (except that they are pretty spendy), however, nothing rides, acts, sounds or performs like a Husaberg. Some like it, some dont, but whenever someone rides a demo that have never been on a Berg before, they are always pleasantly surprised. :wink:

Well the same could be said for KTM. Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line. The funny thing is they are obviously looking to grow their business in the U.S, which is 25% of KTM's business, but the way they are going about it is all wrong. Alienating everyone that has supported them up to this point does not seem to be a good way of increasing business. Perhaps KTM thinks that the U.S. economy is on par with the european economy. It is not. The dollar is at its weakest point in years, we are looking at a potential recession soon, RV sales are down,large pickup truck production will be decreased, the home ATM is gone away and now they want to go big. The timing is wrong and the mega dealers could be hit especially hard in the comming year. The biggest fish are the first to starve. So even from a purely business point of view their new plan seems flawed.
 
Nothing Personal

I have failed to post anything of value for months.
I will say my piece and be back on my way.

Such is SOP for KTM / Husaberg.

You were warned well in advance.
This is particularly true regarding newbie dealers.

Dealers come and go.
I am sorry for the Husaberg faithful.

Hold on tight to this site as it will likely once again prove to be your lifeline.

Cheers!
Dale
 
husabutt said:
bikebarnbeckman said:
:shock: Wow, how quickly people turn...I still love the Bergs (sure my opinion is biased). Dont get me wrong SHerco is a good bike (heck, I raced our 2005 450 at the Fall Classic Team Race), so is GG (asuming you like 2-smokes), I dont know TM so I cant make a judgement on those (except that they are pretty spendy), however, nothing rides, acts, sounds or performs like a Husaberg. Some like it, some dont, but whenever someone rides a demo that have never been on a Berg before, they are always pleasantly surprised. :wink:

Well the same could be said for KTM. Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated.

Well, actually I have not run a check lately, I do know that as soon as I found out we had to re-apply, we busted our humps to remain a berg dealer...not saying that others didn't but someone told me that we were the first dealership to have our business plan, flooring in line and other things required in to them. I also utilized UPS RED, etc to show them how important this was to us and to guarantee delivery. digital photos, our TV commercials that we pay for, etc. all were included in our application.
 
husabutt said:
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I think we could learn to like one of these or one of these


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I don't think these brands are Cali legal eitiher.
 
tm-enduro said:
husabutt said:
Sherco_enduro_s.jpg



I think we could learn to like one of these or one of these


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I don't think these brands are Cali legal eitiher.

They would be considered Red Sticker bikes which reduces the riding season in the summer months. For deset riding this is not much of a problem as no one rides in the desert during the summer anyway.
 
I think we should all write to Husaberg/KTM like Ossaman said. I'm not the best letter writer, but I wrote to them here; http://www.husaberg.com/Contact-form.184.0.html
This is what I wrote, not that it will matter....

I don't understand what is going on with KTM/Husaberg not renewing all of Husabergs dealerships. I (We) need as many dealerships as possible to promote Husabergs. I have three Husabergs and have used numerous dealers in California and Oregon that are no longer listed on your Dealer Locater.
Please do not cancel dealerships that have supported the brand for all these years. Dealers like MotoXotica, Z Racing, Eric's, Ron Bishops and others have supported the brand for years here in California, please don't alienate them now.

Thank You,
Mike Hamilton
Concerned Husaberg Owner

Look at the threads I have attached from The Unofficial Husaberg Website as evidence that the old dealers are required for the brand to carry on in the future.

http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?name= ... 4077#64077

http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?name= ... 4090#64090

Look at what the Husaberg Community thinks of MotoXotica

http://www.motoxotica.com/ (Scroll down to award)
 
husabutt said:
Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line.

Eric,
I'm not so sure Motoxotica has been kicked to the curb. I'll bet they have been given the same opportunity as BOSS and Bikebarn who stepped up to the plate and re-applied to continue their berg dealerships without a complaint. Maybe Dan and Ann are just slowly making the decision on whether or not carrying the Husaberg line is indeed viable. I guess I'm just not understanding the hostility towards KTM North America just because they have a different set of rules than Dixie Sales. Maybe some of you Cali guys should be more upset at the SoCal dealers.

log
 
logjump said:
husabutt said:
Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line.

Eric,
I'm not so sure Motoxotica has been kicked to the curb. I'll bet they have been given the same opportunity as BOSS and Bikebarn who stepped up to the plate and re-applied to continue their berg dealerships without a complaint. Maybe Dan and Ann are just slowly making the decision on whether or not carrying the Husaberg line is indeed viable. I guess I'm just not understanding the hostility towards KTM North America just because they have a different set of rules than Dixie Sales. Maybe some of you Cali guys should be more upset at the SoCal dealers.

log

Perhaps, but how would you like to have the opportunity to reapply for your home loan if the paper gets sold to another lender? Maybe you get to keep your house maybe not. What if the company where you work gets sold? No problem just reapply for your job. Who cares if you have been there for twenty years. It just doesn't look good for KTM. They finally have a killer new model platform in the pipeline and now they change the rules. How come they didn't change the rules prior to the announcement of the 09 model? Hopefully this will all work out for the best and the noise made here will help the small dealer perhaps get a well deserved break.
 
logjump said:
husabutt said:
Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line.

Eric,
I'm not so sure Motoxotica has been kicked to the curb. I'll bet they have been given the same opportunity as BOSS and Bikebarn who stepped up to the plate and re-applied to continue their berg dealerships without a complaint. Maybe Dan and Ann are just slowly making the decision on whether or not carrying the Husaberg line is indeed viable. I guess I'm just not understanding the hostility towards KTM North America just because they have a different set of rules than Dixie Sales. Maybe some of you Cali guys should be more upset at the SoCal dealers.

log

I'm sure they do have the same oppertunity but like has been stated many times in this thread, we here in Calif, have that wonderful red/green sticker crap something we have to live with which is b etter then no riding during the summer months. Unless you are a closed course MX rider who usually doesn't care if it's red or green sticker then you most likely want a green sticker bike. How many 2008 Husaberg's do you think you can sell that is a red sticker bike has no lights, spark arrestor or odometer and Husaberg has a complete revamped model coming soon. I don't think very many.

Kraig Traum
AMA-D36 Enduro Steward/BOD
www.ama-d36.org
CERA President
www.cera.org
 
Concerning the Red sticker............

I know how important it is to have a green sticker, been off road riding here in cali since 1981.

However, the only time and or place that I know of that the red sticker restrictions are enforced are on the state lands, like hungry valley otherwise known as Gorman. I imagine Prarie City, and Hollister Hills would be the same way.

Has anyone ever been citied or had enforcement of red stickers anywhere else? I'm not arguing the point here just want to know.

And I agree that not having the spark arrestor or lights sucks. But I would however like to point out, not that this justifies anything, that there are several of the KTM four strokes, XC's I believe that are also red sticker bikes with no spark arrestors etc.... So, I guess it takes away some of the surprise about the 08's.

It's also my understanding that the 08's are coming with Akraprovic exhausts and that the screen type spark arrestor inserts are available for them. Granted they should have them in them from the get.

I would also like to point out that there are still plenty of KTM 2smokes that are being sold here as well as Yamaha's etc and they're all red sticker bikes, not to mention the KTM XC's. A lot of people are still racing them in District 37.
 
UnkleMoose said:
logjump said:
husabutt said:
Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line.

Eric,
I'm not so sure Motoxotica has been kicked to the curb. I'll bet they have been given the same opportunity as BOSS and Bikebarn who stepped up to the plate and re-applied to continue their berg dealerships without a complaint.log

I'm sure they do have the same oppertunity but like has been stated many times in this thread, we here in Calif, have that wonderful red/green sticker crap Kraig Traum
AMA-D36 Enduro Steward/BOD
www.ama-d36.org
CERA President
www.cera.org

Perhaps Husaberg does not have an immediate need for a Husaberg dealer in California because of the green/red sticker program. Since their sales opportunities would be diminished due to the red sticker they can now be much more selective on who will be granted a dealership license agreement for 2009 because they couldn't sell many if any 2008 models in California anyway. Trends, good or bad, have a way of starting here. If KTM is holding out for the mega dealers to come on board and is successful you can be sure the trend will continue east in years to come. I have not heard of any California dealer receiving an 08 model assuming of course that there are any bona fide California Husaberg dealers left.
 
logjump said:
husabutt said:
Have you run a dealer search on Husaberg.se lately? The list has been decimated. And what about Motoxotica? They spent the money, stocked the parts, took an active role in development and now they are kicked to the curb (or so it appears to date). We will see how all this pans out in the comming weeks or months but KTM may have crossed the line.

Eric,
I'm not so sure Motoxotica has been kicked to the curb.
log

After this post on the other thread I'm thinkin' kicked to the curb is a pretty accuate assumption.

Got this from KTM today,Sounds like its been sent to everyone,One of those "Incase someone asks snd them this" reply

"Dear Mr Sale

Thank you for your email and your feedback. We are currently preparing our dealer network for the brand new 2009 models and this has unfortunately meant that the dealer network has temporarily been reduced from 6 to 3 dealers. I do not think it is appropriate to go in to the reasons why specific dealers have been terminated but I can assure you that these decisions have not been taken lightly. I can also assure you that Husaberg is an important part of the KTM business and we are fully committed to a positive future with Husaberg in the UK.

Thank you once again for your feedback.

Yours sincerely

Shaun "
 
Not A Joke

Leopards do not change spots.

Seriously,
Why so surprised?

Regards,
Dale Lineaweaver
 

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i say chaps! hold up do!

now listen in! wot wot!

how many bikes have been sold in recent seasons in the states? how well did the dixie sales team do? surely they were offered to 'put up or shut up'? snd they left the building....

thing is, i think sales have been heavily down everywhere! dan amkes a living from selling stuff after the bike has been bought and that's pretty much new or even used! if other dealers had a blinding postage and packing system they would see this as real competition when they are holding inventory that stands them at the bank....

so i think that now that husaberg have proved over the last three years to be reliable they are now ready to take husaberg to a new level. UP!!!!!!

what i'm disappointed in is the fact that they probably haven't dropped half the dealers in the states or in the UK, they may have dropped themslelves. fritz has said how he moved heaven and earth to remain a dealer. that's a real yanky attitude and blinding. over here! sheesh: not werf it mate, no profit in it, not worth trying!

fact is some of these shops really aren't prepared to go to the next level for husaberg but would far rather get another dealership in. dan does bits for loads of makes. clearly he's cute enough to realise that as one make ebbs the other flows.

but of all the obscure makes he covers, has he latched onto the fact that one of those makes has the clout to leave the ebear pit and make it, to make him a good iving? can he trust husaberg after all the ****-ups we've had? it takes a lot of guts to reduce yourself in some areas to give husaberg a go.

if i was ktm i'd be saying: 'ok, who wants to grow with us. we made a brill job of orange, we'll do a brill job with husaberg. we just need you to throw your hat in the ring and trust us'.

naturally, we're all cynics and think that we're up today and could be down again tomorrow.

but wait, again you aren't seeing things clearly you loot are you! ktm took over what i can only describe as a bike that was finished. i don't know whether they sold out because they wanted to due to lack of investment money or because they were actually down the pan. i can't remember a true history lesson on here before and as usual we need lineaweaver to tell us.

but everything on my bike has had to be beefed up and replaced in the 5 years since it was made. i mean that's bad.

there is only one thing worse: AND THAT IS IF KTM HAD DODNE NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

infact ktm took production south, within a year the bike had kokusan ignition as the SEM was neolithic, they had keihin as the dell orto was anthropode, they made the engine the "popular" size of 450, they sorted the handling, dropped the swedish connection and yug colours, and did their best with an old engine. it's been uncompetitive in MX for 4/5+ seasons and the SM game has moved on. there is absolutely nnnnnoooo chance of a husaberg at the front when the real money hits the floor. look at ducati at the beginning, in there in the F750 championships till the japs got going, in the F1 with hailwood till the japs got going, in with the F2 and the same etc.

now over these last few years, development of this LDC engine has been taking place, handling is described as awesome, they have great product, they now want to sell them.

so we come to the juncture of why the sort out? well if you promise to be a solus dealer, to have stocking plan, are you really goingto b dropped by husaberg/ktm? i don't think so!

i think husaberg have said: "step up to the plate and grow with us!". usre we like to be small and unique but that's us. ktm want to grow and do well. that's life! we're part of a gropup of people that liked something about our bikes thatw as unique but quite frankly already doesn't exist?

i mean FFS, right! what is special about our bike now? nothing? we don't have 8 bolts holding the bars on
we don't have disgusting colour schemes that only we were proud of
and everythin else that made us unique was bad news! they wouldn't start, they broke down!

look: "flight of the phoenix time!" we got out of the desert and so we don't need each other anymore! and what's the saddest thing? reminiscing!!!!!

so come on, ask those dealers were they prepared to "go and grow!" and the answer is possibly - NO. in which case you take TM, sherco and ATK, they will find someone who wants jam tomorrow.

BTW, how did i 'twig' this? bikebarnbeckman's post was a real eyeopener to me. lesson understood. i'd have thought you americans would have understood the business ethic better than me.

regards

Taffy

PS. this isn't a go at dan coz i wnat him to continue but i think i might have opened a new thought process for some. i also think i played it two ways here and did the 'devil's advocate' thing.

regards

Taffy
 
Pre 2001 Husaberg's were purpose built competition motorcycles.

KTM replaced the LC4 with a close copy of the pre 2001 Husaberg engine.

Post 2000 is where it turns bad for Husaberg.

Same old story, new actors.

Dale
 
dale

was the way dixie sales was taken ktm's fault? i mean, 'was it there for husaberg to go and grow?'. or did dixie just hope that without doing much special that they had arrived just in time to see big things happen and they were going to be on the boat just at the right time?

it's just that you always said you weren't commercially minded about the whole thing?

i can only say that it hurts that DCR GGR and S S over here have lost their dealerships but things just couldn't go on as they were!

if i were an aggressively business minded young dealer i would start with TM and then swop to husaberg and then go steal the honda dealership when the old bugger down the other end of town tires, wilts and 'snuffs it' (i fine british phrase!). that's the dealer moving on. likewise the manufacturers have to make the right bikes and when they do their market share goes up and ktm have proved to be brilliant at it

they therefore have a gap between their ability & money & know-how & RnD and where the product is. the gap is huge. it's a chasm, it's a void!

ktm used to be on their arse! they're now thee biggest and the best in this sector!

i just think that i just realised what i wnat and in a way, once there are large numbers of huseys out there i don't think i'll find what i want anymore....

for those that don't know, i was a member of the DOC in the eighties and nineties.

that stands for:

DUCATI OWNER'S CLUB

i did there what i have done here. exactly the same. we had everything go wrong with them, you had to be batty to buy one. mad! of course they also handled, they also sounded or looked unique. and then it all changed and they made the 851.....

suddenly, you had flea bitten owners with knackered old bikes telling each other where to save £2 (they're pounds eric ok?!?!) on the one hand (and yes i was one of them) and on the other you had some ****** stating that he now owned 10k worth of bike and had toured europe and liked the hand warmers (double w.....r).

na! the way i see it, fritz mate, if you have thrown everything at being a SUCCESFUL husey dealer then i think you're backing an absolute winner! and i hope dan reappraises things and goes back to ktm with a big plan and has some luck. i think it's his big chnace and i hope he takes it.

reappraise the plan, go big, join the orange network and grow with it...

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
i say chaps! hold up do!

now listen in! wot wot!

how many bikes have been sold in recent seasons in the states? how well did the dixie sales team do? surely they were offered to 'put up or shut up'? snd they left the building....

thing is, i think sales have been heavily down everywhere! dan amkes a living from selling stuff after the bike has been bought and that's pretty much new or even used! if other dealers had a blinding postage and packing system they would see this as real competition when they are holding inventory that stands them at the bank....

so i think that now that husaberg have proved over the last three years to be reliable they are now ready to take husaberg to a new level. UP!!!!!!

what i'm disappointed in is the fact that they probably haven't dropped half the dealers in the states or in the UK, they may have dropped themslelves. fritz has said how he moved heaven and earth to remain a dealer. that's a real yanky attitude and blinding. over here! sheesh: not werf it mate, no profit in it, not worth trying!

fact is some of these shops really aren't prepared to go to the next level for husaberg but would far rather get another dealership in. dan does bits for loads of makes. clearly he's cute enough to realise that as one make ebbs the other flows.

but of all the obscure makes he covers, has he latched onto the fact that one of those makes has the clout to leave the ebear pit and make it, to make him a good iving? can he trust husaberg after all the ****-ups we've had? it takes a lot of guts to reduce yourself in some areas to give husaberg a go.

if i was ktm i'd be saying: 'ok, who wants to grow with us. we made a brill job of orange, we'll do a brill job with husaberg. we just need you to throw your hat in the ring and trust us'.

naturally, we're all cynics and think that we're up today and could be down again tomorrow.

but wait, again you aren't seeing things clearly you loot are you! ktm took over what i can only describe as a bike that was finished. i don't know whether they sold out because they wanted to due to lack of investment money or because they were actually down the pan. i can't remember a true history lesson on here before and as usual we need lineaweaver to tell us.

but everything on my bike has had to be beefed up and replaced in the 5 years since it was made. i mean that's bad.

there is only one thing worse: AND THAT IS IF KTM HAD DODNE NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!

infact ktm took production south, within a year the bike had kokusan ignition as the SEM was neolithic, they had keihin as the dell orto was anthropode, they made the engine the "popular" size of 450, they sorted the handling, dropped the swedish connection and yug colours, and did their best with an old engine. it's been uncompetitive in MX for 4/5+ seasons and the SM game has moved on. there is absolutely nnnnnoooo chance of a husaberg at the front when the real money hits the floor. look at ducati at the beginning, in there in the F750 championships till the japs got going, in the F1 with hailwood till the japs got going, in with the F2 and the same etc.

now over these last few years, development of this LDC engine has been taking place, handling is described as awesome, they have great product, they now want to sell them.

so we come to the juncture of why the sort out? well if you promise to be a solus dealer, to have stocking plan, are you really goingto b dropped by husaberg/ktm? i don't think so!

i think husaberg have said: "step up to the plate and grow with us!". usre we like to be small and unique but that's us. ktm want to grow and do well. that's life! we're part of a gropup of people that liked something about our bikes thatw as unique but quite frankly already doesn't exist?

i mean FFS, right! what is special about our bike now? nothing? we don't have 8 bolts holding the bars on
we don't have disgusting colour schemes that only we were proud of
and everythin else that made us unique was bad news! they wouldn't start, they broke down!

look: "flight of the phoenix time!" we got out of the desert and so we don't need each other anymore! and what's the saddest thing? reminiscing!!!!!

so come on, ask those dealers were they prepared to "go and grow!" and the answer is possibly - NO. in which case you take TM, sherco and ATK, they will find someone who wants jam tomorrow.

BTW, how did i 'twig' this? bikebarnbeckman's post was a real eyeopener to me. lesson understood. i'd have thought you americans would have understood the business ethic better than me.

regards

Taffy

PS. this isn't a go at dan coz i wnat him to continue but i think i might have opened a new thought process for some. i also think i played it two ways here and did the 'devil's advocate' thing.

regards

Taffy

I don't disagree with anything you have said but...............................

In an old world tradition kind of way or maybe it s a new yank thing but my sentiments are that You take care of your own because if you don't no one else will. That type of loyality clearly is not happening here.
 
Careful

I must be careful regarding legal matters.

In My Opinion:
BMG was to move Husaberg inventory and supply parts for existing models in an effort to avoid a lawsuit.


Dale
 

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