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Street Legal ?

The question of street legal bikes seems to come up alot on this forum. Is it a major factor that yo

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  • B. It's a consideration, but not a deal-breaker.

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Supermototeam

Supermototeam

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The question of street legal bikes seems to come up a lot on this forum. Is it a major factor that you consider when choosing a new bike ? Could we try to put our answers into three categories ?

A. Very Important
B. It's a consideration, but not a deal-breaker.
C. Not important at all.

Yes, your answers might have an impact on the future.
And then again, they might not ;)

Cheers,

Brett Saunders
[email protected]
 
Hi Brett,
For what it may be worth:

The mass majority of my non competition "high end" off-road cliental consider a street tag to be "very important".

Dale
 
A...or at least the ability to be made street legal with say an add on or optional kit. I think that would cover most of your bases.
 
Depends on the intended use.

A street legal-ish option is a great choice to have if you want to tap into the non-competition only customer base.
 
Brett,
It's important to me & my riding friends since where we ride one has to jump on public roads every ride. Can't get to all the trails w/o it. The pine cone rangers are getting nasty, it seems. Glad mine is plated, although as said by Dale & others, if really checked by a "nasty", I'd be in trouble.
 
I would say very important. My next bike will have to be street legal. Where we mostly ride the park boundries are within 80,000 acres. If your bike is street legal you can enter the adjoining Anza-Borrego Desert State Park which gives you another 500,000 acres to explore but you must stay on existing paths. Also in the Big Bear mountain area you have way more trail choices if plated.

My suggestion would be to make at least one model barely Ca. street legal (it would then be legal in all other states). A 501 would be a good test platform.

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Brett,

An altenative would be to bring in the Australian version with the stripped off signals. So the signal harness and switches are all included. And all a person would need is the signals and relay flasher if wanted.

I can say that here in Ontario, the hottest sales increases of offroad bikes have been GasGas and Huskies, as they are coming fully street legal.


I'd say Very Important to have a easy conversion!


David
 
berger said:
A...or at least the ability to be made street legal with say an add on or optional kit. I think that would cover most of your bases.
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DITTO

Though, not that feasible, make the street legal option relatively cheap, so it's not a dealbreaker to add.

-Parsko
 
Friends,
With all due respect I feel the mass majority are ignorant regarding the definition of "Street Legal".

Department Of Transportation is easy!

The California Air Resource Board and Federal Environmental Protection Agency regarding accumulative emissions is the hurdle.

To comply a road going dirtbike shall require the same certification as that of any streetbike of similiar dispalcement.

Such will likely require a sophisticated Engine Management System, Catalytic Converter and shall certainly be subject to certification testing which is very expensive.

Note:
Given a specific displacement it is far more difficult to get a single to comply then that of a multi.

How do I know? I am in the middle of doing such with Highland.
We are talking thousands and thousands of dollars. Such is why the Highland is not legal for GNC competition. Said Highland is neither California or Federally approved and as a result not considered a domestic legal motorcycle for which AMA rules mandate.

It's about clean air and money, not turn indicators and a brake light.

I am afraid the days of minimum exports and exemptions are coming to an end.

Please, do not take my word for it. Do your own research. here is a
good place to begin.

Best Regards,
Dale
 
So theoretically "street legal" Husabergs could be legally sold/delivered with all of the approved CAL/FED emission controls and then later emancipated from these devices.

Of course bike owners would never ever dare do such illegal things such as modifying their motorcycles in defiance of state and federal regulations.

:evil:
 
You could always rely on the old adage; "Loud pipes save lives, no plates save licences!" DISCLAIMER; (Professional rider on closed course, kids don't try this at home, always wear protective gear, respect the environment...)
 
Seems like most of our answers are slightly different, but are all in the area of "A".

For me to be able to justify going from a sportbike to a supermotard, it would be important to be able to register the bike for street use.
 
supertireguy said:
So theoretically "street legal" Husabergs could be legally sold/delivered with all of the approved CAL/FED emission controls and then later emancipated from these devices.

Of course bike owners would never ever dare do such illegal things such as modifying their motorcycles in defiance of state and federal regulations.

:evil:
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If Husaberg could just get the bike Ca. "Street Emissions Legal" as opposed to only "Off Road Emissions Legal" I believe the end user could add all the State required lamps, horns etc. and recieve a plate. Husky did it. All enduro models are Ca. street legal.
 
If Husaberg could just get the bike Ca. "Street Emissions Legal" as opposed to only "Off Road Emissions Legal" I believe the end user could add all the State required lamps, horns etc. and recieve a plate. Husky did it. All enduro models are Ca. street legal.
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Bingo!

CARB / EPA = Emissions
DOT = Brake, Lamps, Tires, Etc.
 
I'm very curious how things look for '07 bikes. As Dale said, it is about emmisions. I wonder if EPA/Carb will let Husky make a mockery of the rules again this year. I mean, seriously, how could the inpector allow them thru the process. The bikes clearly had crap added onto them with no plans of ANYONE leaving those cannisters hooked up. For the first month or two after I saw the '06 Huskys I kept waiting to hear that their EPA and street legal status was revoked, but it never happened.
 
LINEAWEAVER said:
If Husaberg could just get the bike Ca. "Street Emissions Legal" as opposed to only "Off Road Emissions Legal" I believe the end user could add all the State required lamps, horns etc. and recieve a plate. Husky did it. All enduro models are Ca. street legal.
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Bingo!

CARB / EPA = Emissions
DOT = Brake, Lamps, Tires, Etc.
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The rumors are that 07 will be injected. After that, you could buy a small Cat, weld it in, and your done. Now one must have access to the fuel maps... If you did (have access), you might not need the cat.

I'm assuming current Bergs (or any other DB's) don't pass, and are not street legal in Cali, is this true? Supermoto racing does not require street legal status, true?

Dale, what EFI are/do you use? (humor me, i'm curious!!)

-Parsko
 
having dealt with enviro agency folks before, they are generalists, not specialists. I expect they see those add on canisters and hoses as beautiful well thought out and securely mounted emissions control technology, not oddly placed gizmos.

If they bless it, go for it. Working with Federal and State employees is a personal thing in the end. A company has to get to the right people in the government and work closely with them over time to get a positive result. Once that result is out the door. The agency folks are the last to re-visit a decision, they are on to the next work effort/assigment. They are busy folks too. now their next assigment maybe to screw with the future and make things worse - in fact that is exactly their charge to ever tighten the emissions in response to ever tightening environmental health standards.

I guess what I'm saying is I would not catorgize the Husky emissions add on stuff as junk.......they are beautiful. "We are so happy Ms. EPA with our joint efforts which resulted in such a great advance forward in our common goals to meet emissions rules with a rider friendly and competitive products" :party:

the last thing you do is send Dale in to talk with these folks :lol: he can be the technical brains along with other hard working engineers and bike builders, but don't sent Mr. Charming in to see Ms. EPA :shocked: :snipersmile: :rofl:
 
Is the EPA going to put converters on lawn mowers?
They produce more greenhouse gasses than motorcycles, at least we keep our bikes tuned up.
 

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