race bikes vs friendly race bikes

Brendan said:

Did not BMG/Brett say a while back that Husaberg is supposed to have a 250 for 2006 or 2007? It seems to me that the 250 is the Husaberg world's version of its own urban legend.

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What discipline would one wish for a 250 Husaberg as the existing chassis is not particularly well suited for SX, MX, AX, etc?

Competition 250 four-strokes are fragile as they are intended to produce power levels on par with that of a 125 two-stroke.

Does one desire an XR 250 style Husaberg or that of a CRF?

Simply curious as to why the great interest in a 250 Husaberg.

Kind Regards,
Dale

LINEAWEAVER said:

What discipline would one wish for a 250 Husaberg as the existing chassis is not particularly well suited for SX, MX, AX, etc?

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The Enduro 1 class would work. Small market in it self though. All 4-stroke 250 jap enduros are offspring from their mx´s more or less.

tm-enduro said:

2504T's and 125 2T's can be very easy to ride fast in the tight woods. But they are rather fragile. It is worth noting that thus far in the 2006 enduro season (Italian hard cup and WEC) that Husky and TM are both running their 125 2T rather than the 250 4T. That will change as the tracks dry out though.

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Hi Tim,
Agreed, a 38 RWHP 125 two-stroke and / or 250 Four-stroke is very soft below peak power. Combine such with the reduced weight and natural terrain courses would indeed favor the above.

Best Regards,
Dale

tm-enduro said:

2504T's and 125 2T's can be very easy to ride fast in the tight woods. But they are rather fragile.

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Looking at the bikes used in my club, many are Yama 250wrf. As far as reliability goes, well... I wish I had that track record...

Aspen said:

tm-enduro said:

2504T's and 125 2T's can be very easy to ride fast in the tight woods. But they are rather fragile.

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Looking at the bikes used in my club, most are Yama 250wrf. As far as reliability goes, well... I wish I had that track record...

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Hi Peter,
In such conditions I would imagine rpm most often remains well below that of peak power. Run them on the limiter and .......

Best Regards,
Dale

Granted.
A lot of slow terrain. That is also why I don´t have any edge on those suckers..
But come winter and I invite them to a day of ice racing, nobody seems interested....

Aspen said:

Granted.
A lot of slow terrain. That is also why I don´t have any edge on those suckers..
But come winter and I invite them to a day of ice racing, nobody seems interested....

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Indeed! :lol: LOL

Aspen said:

Not quite so simple.
You´re forgetting the 11lb (5kg) crank spinning in your 550.
The difference in gyroscopic force compared to a 250 is not to be forgotten.

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i have no idea what a crank weighs on a typical 250, but i bet it has to rev faster to be any use, so i still think that by lugging a big engine you won't end up with anymore gyroscopic blah blah blah than riding a little engine hard.

mw

velosapiens said:

i have no idea what a crank weighs on a typical 250, but i bet it has to rev faster to be any use, so i still think that by lugging a big engine you won't end up with anymore gyroscopic blah blah blah than riding a little engine hard.

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You don´t ride it hard when going into a tight turn around a pinetree.
Believe me, there is a difference!

force = 5 letters
blah blah blah = more effort

/Peter

LINEAWEAVER said:

Brendan said:

Did not BMG/Brett say a while back that Husaberg is supposed to have a 250 for 2006 or 2007? It seems to me that the 250 is the Husaberg world's version of its own urban legend.

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What discipline would one wish for a 250 Husaberg as the existing chassis is not particularly well suited for SX, MX, AX, etc?

Competition 250 four-strokes are fragile as they are intended to produce power levels on par with that of a 125 two-stroke.

Does one desire an XR 250 style Husaberg or that of a CRF?

Simply curious as to why the great interest in a 250 Husaberg.

Kind Regards,
Dale

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Have youever met Brendan?

I know why he wants a 250. He is small. Infact I think he carries more weight in food to eat on the trail than he weighs.

When we rode together last he was commenting that I weigh more than my bike and there fore it was easy for me to man handle and my retort was that I am so fat and out of shape that even tho he weighs 1/2 of his bike he was ahead of me :twisted:

Aspen said:

You don´t ride it hard when going into a tight turn around a pinetree.
Believe me, there is a difference!

force = 5 letters
blah blah blah = more effort

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i'll have to take your word for it. i normally race a 250 2-stroke (ktm 250sx) in the tight woods. having ridden a few 250 4-strokes, they seem to me to be much closer to my husaberg550 in terms of handling habits (but not in terms of power habits) than they are to a 250 2-stroke. i may not be a sufficiently skilled rider to tell the difference between different sizes of slow lazy 4-strokes tho. if anything, the top-heavy feeling of the wr's and even the crf-x more than offsets whatever theoretical gyroscopic differences may exist. to my old fat slow butt, the 550 feels lighter and quicker.

Bobzilla said:

LINEAWEAVER said:

Brendan said:

Did not BMG/Brett say a while back that Husaberg is supposed to have a 250 for 2006 or 2007? It seems to me that the 250 is the Husaberg world's version of its own urban legend.

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What discipline would one wish for a 250 Husaberg as the existing chassis is not particularly well suited for SX, MX, AX, etc?

Competition 250 four-strokes are fragile as they are intended to produce power levels on par with that of a 125 two-stroke.

Does one desire an XR 250 style Husaberg or that of a CRF?

Simply curious as to why the great interest in a 250 Husaberg.

Kind Regards,
Dale

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Have youever met Brendan?

I know why he wants a 250. He is small. Infact I think he carries more weight in food to eat on the trail than he weighs.

When we rode together last he was commenting that I weigh more than my bike and there fore it was easy for me to man handle and my retort was that I am so fat and out of shape that even tho he weighs 1/2 of his bike he was ahead of me :twisted:

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Hi Bob,
Indeed I have met Brendan.

I sold Brendan a prototype 450 Husaberg race engine. I even let him ride the racer around my neighborhood prior to removing said engine.

Size does not matter! So I have been told. :lol: LOL

Kind Regards,
Dale

Unlike Velo (my GOAT hero! :bow: :notworthy: ), who is about 1.5x my size, I cannot handle a big bore bike. I need my girlyman bike. I suppose if I always rode out in wide open spaces, it would be different, but around here, I can ride a 250 much better, with less effort.

I never think of the MX/sx market, but I believe there is a market in the consumer off-road segment. There are many people out there like me, i.e. small people, women, pee wee kids, teenagers, toddlers, etc., that want a 250. You may have a point though, about the Husaberg sector not having much demand for a 250, as many Husaberg owners are probably too portly for a 250. :signsigh: But such it seems, it is the American way.

I would like to see a 250/300 with compromised traits of both the crf and xr250, but leaning a bit more towards the crf.

A heavily modified Honda 230 makes for a great bike, however, the total price tag lives in the new Husaberg neighborhood.

Dale

Brendan said:

Unlike Velo, who is about 1.5x my size, I cannot handle a big bore bike. I need my girlyman bike. I suppose if I always rode out in wide open spaces, it would be different, but around here, I can ride a 250 much better, with less effort.

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lol, i think you just like to ride a little bike to show up all the clowns that think you have to ride a big bike to be manly. i only weigh 165, i would guess you were 130-140 at least.

you also have an advantage in that you normally ride a few thousand feet lower than me. i'm always startled at how strong my bikes run at sealevel-2000'. i would probably be more tolerant of little bikes if i lived down there. i think the altitude is a much bigger issue than the 'wide open spaces'. if you stop by here to ride sometime, i will remove some preconceived notions about wide-open spaces from your mind. we have quite alot of bars-in-the-trees 1st-2nd gear tight twisties too.

part of my issue is also that i'm lazy. i'd rather fight with a bigger bike than work on a smaller bike. big engine = fewer revs = better longevity.

and lastly (and most importantly), i just like to make fun of people and things. 250 4-strokes are an easy target.

i do agree with your point about some smaller lighter people being a good market for a 250-300 4-stroke. it seems like the bikes are roughly the same physical size and weight as their grownup cousins tho. if they made one closer to the size of a ktm200, and more like 225-230 lbs wet, that would make more sense to me. actual smaller and lighter mean more to me than some semi-imaginary gyroscopic effect that i'm too insensitive to even feel.

"I just like to make fun of people and things"

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Ah, a kindred spirit. :lol: LOL

Dale

velosapiens said:

i just like to make fun of people and things. 250 4-strokes are an easy target.

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Very true!
But I get outrun by them too often, so I rarely get the last laugh...
I would like to try the trails in western US where Bergs do their best.

LINEAWEAVER said:

A heavily modified Honda 230 makes for a great bike, however, the total price tag lives in the new Husaberg neighborhood.

Dale

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Here's a "slightly modified" CRF230 that I put together for my lovely bride.

Greatd job Satex.
Is it fun or what!

I have tuned several for www.xr100.com