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Kokusan upgrade survey

Hi Dale,

I personally haven't had too many stator problems but what I can say is that the UK retail price to change over the SEM stator equates to about 500 us dollars (at current exchange rates). I don't know what it is in the US.

So what am I saying - How many people have had 2 or more stators fail?

On that basis alone it seems worth the cost as an upgrade any day. I would seriously consider doing it.

Just my opinion.

Simon
 
Thank you Simon,
Just the type of feedback I am seeking.

Sincerely,
Dale


Ps
Please send me an Email confirming your shipping address as I am preparing to send you a new camshaft.

[email protected]
 
I believe that it is a necessary modification, I had to put a SEM a few months ago and it cost me on 300 €, and many sweats and hundreds of kicks :evil

But what is sure that before the alternative of putting a SEM or a Kokusan I believe that the whole world would havetake it clear, Kokusan...
 
Hi Dale, (and all Berg lovers everywhere), I would think the $1000 tag on a new ignition would be cost prohibitive for most, even those with multiple failures. However, a true "HOW-TO" set of instructions, complete with drawings and parts list, WOULD sell. Guys like HIBRIM (sp?) that are willing to do the work often just need to be guided, and are very capable of finishing such a job. IMHO, that type of "kit" would be a popular item, albiet not a big money maker. Perhaps someone like yourself could supply any "custom" parts required on the parts list as an option when purchasing the "instruction kit".

Best regards, BD
 
BD said:
Hi Dale, (and all Berg lovers everywhere), I would think the $1000 tag on a new ignition would be cost prohibitive for most, even those with multiple failures. However, a true "HOW-TO" set of instructions, complete with drawings and parts list, WOULD sell. Guys like HIBRIM (sp?) that are willing to do the work often just need to be guided, and are very capable of finishing such a job. IMHO, that type of "kit" would be a popular item, albiet not a big money maker. Perhaps someone like yourself could supply any "custom" parts required on the parts list as an option when purchasing the "instruction kit".

Best regards, BD
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Hi BD,
The majority of the price tag is a reflection of the hard parts cost.
A total of seven separate OEM items are required to construct said ignition not including suitable mounting and fitting hardware. (ie cover, etc.) This of course is assuming quantities of parts are readily available.

Best Regards,
Dale
 
$1000 dollars is a pretty hefty price tag. The big question is how much more durable will the Kokosan be. I have heard of a few failures on the 04's already. It seems the failures are temp related. I dont see the earlier bikes running any cooler. If this was a bulletproof cure all, some may consider it, but I don't see anybody making that claim.
Any thoughts?
 
i know that i stated that 'ignitions' went on the early UK models 11 months ago but i made it clear that it was the items under the seat and not the bit on the end of the crank.

Taffy
 
I thought I heard something about solder joints melting. It may have been more KTM related.
 
Hi Dale,

If I had a low time Husaberg and had a SEM failure, I would definitely upgrade it if the kit were available. I would not buy the upgrade kit until the SEM failed though.

My Husaberg is a 2000 FE501E with 347.4 hours on it, and have had stators fail twice (had to purchase 2 stators so far). If mine fails a 3rd time I would probably scrap it out, as it would not be worth the $1000 to get it running again. The last SEM I purchased cost $395.00 (June 04). The first Sem cost me $294.00 (February 03).

Joe
 
I have two Husabergs, a '97 FE600E and a '01 FS650E. Both ignitions work fine for me. Wouldn't consider changing for $1k. Might consider a milder cam for the "01 FS650E though.

Mackberg :wink:
 
The price in Sweden is 556 USD and that is quite much for 30h riding.
They doubled the price this year I belive so they have some profit here.

The correct management should be an up grade kit for that kind of money.
Since Husaberg don't care the only thing is to put some pressure on them and use the laws which regulate their responsibility. [email protected] is the guy to ask about things like this or other kind of questions. They close early on Fridays so I didn't get an answer why the Swedish law isn't valid in my case.
 
mikst said:
The price in Sweden is 556 USD and that is quite much for 30h riding.
They doubled the price this year I belive so they have some profit here.

The correct management should be an up grade kit for that kind of money.
Since Husaberg don't care the only thing is to put some pressure on them and use the laws which regulate their responsibility. [email protected] is the guy to ask about things like this or other kind of questions. They close early on Fridays so I didn't get an answer why the Swedish law isn't valid in my case.
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mikst,

I am sorry to hear of your plight.

I would however ever so slightly disagree with you - the correct management should be a factory recall and free fix of the problem :wink:

At the end of the day it is a product that is clearly substandard and not fit for its intended purpose. Unfortunately it is my experience on many occasions that companies don't accept that a law is valid in any case until proven otherwise :D It is also my experience that most companies buckle under the pressure, just before it goes to court. This is because they don't want any issues to become public, nor do they want to foot the bill for their corporate lawyers.

Personally I am very surprised nobody has taken further issue with this or some of the other known issues. Time will only tell - someone will and then they'll be wincing at the corporate pain.

Good luck, you have my moral support in your action!

Cheers,
Simon
 
For what it may be worth:

I had been after both Husaberg and SEM for nearly a decade to address the shortcomings of the OEM ignition system prior to the Kokusan introduction.

In addition to being a short duration CDI unsuitable for starting a high compression four-stroke the later SEM is not a load sensing system as indicated with reference to "Digital Force".

In short none of this is news and badgering David Larsson is unlikely to accomplish anything as I have been after him for years to address such issues with little success.

It is of my personal opinion that if you are truly interested in a retrofit ignition for the early Husaberg you will anti up the required funds and look toward the creative aftermarket. Cost will indeed be quite high as the low volume and premium hard parts required will dictate.

Simply telling it like it is based on a decade of Husaberg experience.

Dale

Ps
It is called "Bottm Line $$$" and now you know why Husaberg was reluctant to change ignition systems.
 
Hi, Dale.....
My '98 still has the factory OEM ignition. Bike ridden 3 to 6 times weekly, rides anywhere from 1/2 to 4 hours, "in-the-yard" ride to New England trails. Have not had any problems with SEM. If I had had several failures, I would probably opt for a Kokusan upgrade, BUT, only if in form that would allow me to install without having to farm out an adapter plate or case mod to a machine shop. The mechanical and electrical aspects are not a problem, but job-shops are in high demand out here and charge accordingly, particularly for cad-related work that might interrupt their production schedule.
Perhaps in my "old age" I've become a bit too picky :roll: !!!
PS - Dale- started this post before your last post, so didn't se that one. Your point is correct, and will probably have to update, either the ignition, or , ultimately, the whole bike :lol: !!
 
FC501EAST said:
Hi, Dale.....
My '98 still has the factory OEM ignition. Bike ridden 3 to 6 times weekly, rides anywhere from 1/2 to 4 hours, "in-the-yard" ride to New England trails. Have not had any problems with SEM. If I had had several failures, I would probably opt for a Kokusan upgrade, BUT, only if in form that would allow me to install without having to farm out an adapter plate or case mod to a machine shop. The mechanical and electrical aspects are not a problem, but job-shops are in high demand out here and charge accordingly, particularly for cad-related work that might interrupt their production schedule.
Perhaps in my "old age" I've become a bit too picky :roll: !!!
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Hi Gary,
Thank you for the reply.
I have had inquires for years regarding a suitable retrofit Husaberg ignition system and for nearly as long pleaded with both Husaberg and SEM to address the issue.

I have personally looked into cost effective alternatives in the past with little success. The Kokusan and Hitachi (Rotax) are both fantastic ignition systems. Unfortunately and as with most high end components quite expensive in particularly regarding small quantities.

The big killer of the SEM in terms of hard failure is vibration not heat and / or corrosion as most believe. Consequently those whom do not rev their bikes tend to get longer stator life than those who do.

Best Regards,
Dale
 
Kokusan Ignition survey

Hi, Dale.....
Perhaps this is one of the benefits of "elderly and apprehensive" in ones approach to riding, ie "1/2 WFO" as opposed to "WFO" :laughing6: !!!
 
HI Guys

Having started work in the parts dept now in Australia,s biggest berg dealership we have found a cheap way to get a sem stator , just see your local ktm dealer and order a stator for a early LC4 , which is supplied without the flywheel assembly and with a few connector mods and a reasonable guess at the ignition timing as they do not have the correct timing mark position on the stator surface , cost around $350 A dollars, which is pretty cheap .

Hope this helps
Rob
 
Hi,

I had 4 failed stators in 2 years. I must admit that I never bought this part
as new but always on the used spare parts market.
The stators always looked pretty well and in good condition.

Another interesting statement comes from Lineaweaver:
The stator dies of vibration.

Bergerboy,
I think you have to explain your hint to the LC4 stator with a bit more details.
You mean I can take an old LC4 stator for my post 2000 Husaberg engine?
I have some good connections to LC4 used parts dealers, but till now I thought
that the LC4 stator doesn´t work on my engine. Certainly I tested it a few times.
Can you tell me how I can modify the KTM stator for using it at the berg?
The old styled bergs (models pre 1999) can also be started with the KTM stator, because they´re the same part.

best regards

hribman
 
From the Kokusan website they have flywheels with cast in cooling fins. It looks like they don't use it on bikes though. We probably won't see any other manufactures use them as they hold a patent. At the minimum it shows that they are aware that heat is a problem.[web][web]http://www.kokusandenki.co.jp/english/products/denso/ignition_charging2.jpg[/web]

Kokusan patent
 

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