hey all. can anyone give me more info on the kick sledge mod and what to do to fix it?
kick sledge mod
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Joined Jun 2007
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south east WA Australia
I think you're supposed to buy it :?
somebody might share the difference .. mine works fine stock .. but its an 08
somebody might share the difference .. mine works fine stock .. but its an 08
Joined Dec 2004
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back in cottonwood, az
again, it'd be nice to know where you are and what year, model berg you are talking about. but that's just me :roll: .
it is mentioned in the owners doc, at the left of the home page under engine mods. unfortunately, due to various site upgrades, changes. the images are missing. i'm sure if you did a proper search, some threads discussed it over the years.
it is mentioned in the owners doc, at the left of the home page under engine mods. unfortunately, due to various site upgrades, changes. the images are missing. i'm sure if you did a proper search, some threads discussed it over the years.
i think you're wrong
Joined Apr 2002
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Phoenix Arizona
well I have a 93 husa 600fc. I have looked at the doc page and not much help . I figured id see if anyone has done this mod on there own. and with what results
Joined Jun 2007
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ned37 said:
well maybe Ned .. is my sarcasm wrong or are you being sarcastic
the picture has been absent from the doc for quite some time
not sure if thats intentional but you have to wonder what the smudge is all about
Joined Jun 2007
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yes Back in the good old days when DIY was a popular thing on this site
where is the info on it then ?
thus far nobody seems to have been able to find anything useful :dontknow:
there is a person here who knows how to describe what to do .. very exactly to do the sledge mod ..... yet he has not done any helping at all... not surprising to me in the slightest
which confirms my earlier observation that in this new era of the UHE you are "supposed" to buy it.
happy to be proven wrong with some good info on the mod ... I really do miss the good old days where it was always 100% about helping people for everyone.
where is the info on it then ?
thus far nobody seems to have been able to find anything useful :dontknow:
there is a person here who knows how to describe what to do .. very exactly to do the sledge mod ..... yet he has not done any helping at all... not surprising to me in the slightest
which confirms my earlier observation that in this new era of the UHE you are "supposed" to buy it.
happy to be proven wrong with some good info on the mod ... I really do miss the good old days where it was always 100% about helping people for everyone.
Joined Apr 2002
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Phoenix Arizona
I finally see the problem here!! It's capitalism that's the problem here. Wonder of all wonders modified sledges can actually purchased on ebay.
For those of you who do not CNC your own cylinder heads or sand cast your own crank cases out of old Fosters cans, this may not be of any interest to you. I mean that is really cool and all, but many folks just are not up for that sort of thing. Some people, and I mean most, would have no problem paying someone a few extra bucks to do it for them. Even with a blue print, most would say pass on trying to do it themselves. At minimum, you need a welder and a grinder, and the talent to use them.
The only reason there for sale is because a lot of people asked for them. The need was there and some damned capitalist jumped on the opportunity.
I finally see the real problem here. It's called capitalism.
Link to evil capitalist ebay item in question.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUSABERG-KICKST ... 3cd8bb4cd5
For those of you who do not CNC your own cylinder heads or sand cast your own crank cases out of old Fosters cans, this may not be of any interest to you. I mean that is really cool and all, but many folks just are not up for that sort of thing. Some people, and I mean most, would have no problem paying someone a few extra bucks to do it for them. Even with a blue print, most would say pass on trying to do it themselves. At minimum, you need a welder and a grinder, and the talent to use them.
The only reason there for sale is because a lot of people asked for them. The need was there and some damned capitalist jumped on the opportunity.
I finally see the real problem here. It's called capitalism.
Link to evil capitalist ebay item in question.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUSABERG-KICKST ... 3cd8bb4cd5
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Joined Jun 2007
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south east WA Australia
Berger and Ned you are once again missing the point
this thread was started by someone who wanted to know about making his own sledge mod
then we have some links that don't help anybody interested in DIY (except the capitalist vendor) and claims that the sledge mod is in fact a DIY project.. OK if that is true then how do you do it ?
my point is that as there is still no info on how to do anything this thread remains useless for the DIY enthusiast who asked the question in the first place
if I were selling such an item.. due to demand or capitalism .. I would be quite happy to share the details of how to make a modified sledge.
the people who could DIY with a hand file or a massively complicated angle grinder would be happy and those who could not be bothered could just buy a modified sledge off ebay ..
no problems no secrets just happy vibes all round and ultimately that = more customers and more sales for the vendor and most importantly of all a better site for the rest of us.
this thread was started by someone who wanted to know about making his own sledge mod
then we have some links that don't help anybody interested in DIY (except the capitalist vendor) and claims that the sledge mod is in fact a DIY project.. OK if that is true then how do you do it ?
my point is that as there is still no info on how to do anything this thread remains useless for the DIY enthusiast who asked the question in the first place
if I were selling such an item.. due to demand or capitalism .. I would be quite happy to share the details of how to make a modified sledge.
the people who could DIY with a hand file or a massively complicated angle grinder would be happy and those who could not be bothered could just buy a modified sledge off ebay ..
no problems no secrets just happy vibes all round and ultimately that = more customers and more sales for the vendor and most importantly of all a better site for the rest of us.
Joined Apr 2002
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Phoenix Arizona
Other than the picture I don't really think there were ever any "specs" to go by. More of a hand produced trial and error method of production. "Here is the picture, make it like so." I tried to search the "how to" as well. Not really sure that there was much information on it in the first place. Like you bushie, I never really found the sledge to be a significant problem, unless it was flat worn out. Does the mod work as intended....yeah, but I never felt the need for it. If I ever need to replace a sledge, yes I would put in the modified one, and yes I would buy one rather than make it.
As for not getting it....I get it. I find it to be a non issue. If someone invests time and money into developing a product, I don't have a problem with them not providing the blue prints on line. It's called protecting your investment.
Damned capitalism.
As for not getting it....I get it. I find it to be a non issue. If someone invests time and money into developing a product, I don't have a problem with them not providing the blue prints on line. It's called protecting your investment.
Damned capitalism.
Joined May 2011
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Wisconsin, U.S.
I can imagine even if the picture of what it looks like were posted it would be a trial and error thing, I would have paid to 25 bucks to get it just to not have to remove the clutch cover 12 times to get it right....
I have one I purchased from taffy, it makes starting easier in my opinion......initially I put it on, thought I didn't like it...removed it next time I went into the engine, then almost immediately reinstalled it, its not coming off again on my watch...takes a little getting used to as it changes the length of the kick and maybe makes it more akward to start, once your used to it the original way feels akward IMO
:cheers:
I have one I purchased from taffy, it makes starting easier in my opinion......initially I put it on, thought I didn't like it...removed it next time I went into the engine, then almost immediately reinstalled it, its not coming off again on my watch...takes a little getting used to as it changes the length of the kick and maybe makes it more akward to start, once your used to it the original way feels akward IMO
:cheers:
Joined Jun 2007
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south east WA Australia
yes like you I find mine works fine too berger and my bike takes a hefty kick to get it started 105mm bore with 11.8:1, 60kg starting hammer
berger i agree with you however there is still no picture to go off so the DIY mod from the picture argument doesn't work also it has been removed from the DOC and there is no help offered here
... even on the ebay listing it says "i have smudged out the true dimensions of the mod"
FWIW if i were making these i would make them from scratch, thicker and out of hardenable steel
ive seen on my sledge that sometimes the ratchet arm slips off the sledge
the hardness measures about 35 HRC, welding a soft lump on won't be as good
now whats the difference between an 03 and up sledge and the "modified" one ?
... the 03 and up sledge is $4.66 # 80033060000 it has a square lump.
berger i agree with you however there is still no picture to go off so the DIY mod from the picture argument doesn't work also it has been removed from the DOC and there is no help offered here
... even on the ebay listing it says "i have smudged out the true dimensions of the mod"
FWIW if i were making these i would make them from scratch, thicker and out of hardenable steel
ive seen on my sledge that sometimes the ratchet arm slips off the sledge
the hardness measures about 35 HRC, welding a soft lump on won't be as good
now whats the difference between an 03 and up sledge and the "modified" one ?
... the 03 and up sledge is $4.66 # 80033060000 it has a square lump.
Joined Jun 2007
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south east WA Australia
husamonsterunleashed said:
Ok Lets try this again :lol:
this is the starter pawl as it sits when not engaged
and where it leaves the sledge to engage into the inside of the gear
where it sits as engaged and rotating the engine
the sledges 02 and 06 you can see where Oxana tried to "mod" the 06 one
probably trying to copy a smudged pic on the internetz :? 
so to increase the workable range we can do 3 things
1) let the kick start lever sit closer to the exhaust pipe when not in use
2) make the pawl leave the its guide "sledge" sooner
3) cut the foot peg off with an angle grinder
to make the kick lever sit closer to the exhaust just file a bit off the lump on the right hand end of the guide "sledge"
you could also move the whole guide "sledge" around anti clockwise and tap 2 new locating holes
to make the Pawl leave its guide "sledge" sooner you just file the guide down so the pawl can "fall" off sooner
there is a more elegant solution and that is to cut about 8mm off the left hand end of the guide "sledge", drill and CSK a new hole and drill and tap a new locating hole in the cases
Ive punched a mark in the "sledge" guide about where the new hole would go
piss easy
you could also get dodgy and creative .. leave the LH screw in place and cut out a notch with a taper to allow the pawl to fall off the guide "sledge" then move toward the clutch cover as it engages, youd put it right where the smudge bit is in the ebay pic
will add some more pics when its finished
Joined Jun 2007
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zaga said:
exactly ! Thats why I don't understand the secrecy :?
however if you are like me (DIY guy with principles) and there are a growing number of "us" .. hell will freeze over before we purchase any aftermarket parts from ebay UK, which leaves us twiddling our thumbs and tinkering instead of watching football or chucking empty whiskey bottles at Oxana :cheers:
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