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Re: DH

Supermototeam said:
Whenever you want to move forward with that dealership, let me know.
Did jedi FINALLY realize that 1 dealer per state isn't going to make it? If so, it only took him 2 years to learn that lesson.

I had an established m/c shop ready to become a dealer and jedi squashed the idea.

So, what's up?
 
RE: Re: DH

Splat,
I can assure you that most motorcycle businesses know exactly what they are doing,if you fail to understand their business plan that is a reflection on you, not them.As far as BMG is concerned,to date.it is obvious that they have established the Husaberg brand as a premier off road motorcycle in both Canada the US.This is something that all previous importers have failed at achieving. Again if you fail to to understand their business plan or have issues with it ,this is your problem not theirs.
....NSMAN
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

nsman said:
Splat,
I can assure you that most motorcycle businesses know exactly what they are doing,if you fail to understand their business plan that is a reflection on you, not them.As far as BMG is concerned,to date.it is obvious that they have established the Husaberg brand as a premier off road motorcycle in both Canada the US.This is something that all previous importers have failed at achieving. Again if you fail to to understand their business plan or have issues with it ,this is your problem not theirs.
....NSMAN

Great post NSMAN!

Splat,
Were you hoping BMG would finance a so-called MC shop based out of your motorhome? To say that BMG or that Canadians don't understand the American market is a very biased and pompous attitude. There is a possibility that your particular attitude carried some weight in the decision for BMG not to offer you a dealership, ya think?
Again, if you fail to understand BMG's business plan, this is your problem not theirs.

Regards,
log
 
Re: Husabergfanatic, Please read and respond

Splat said:
tds2277 said:
They are canadian and they don't understand the AMERICAN market.

The canadians that are controlling the marketing of the 'berg don't want any other dealers in Arizona. Again, they don't understand the American market.

These comments really piss me off and I'm not even Canadian! I even see how you type Canadian in small type and American in Caps. Get off your high-horse Brian! Turn those negative feelings into something positive like figuring out how to make your Gas Gas perform as well as a Berg. (yes, I know BMG is the new Gas Gas importer)

log
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

logjump said:
a very biased and pompous attitude

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Without biased and pompous attitudes, this wouldn't be Husaberg dot Org would it.
 
RE: Re: RE: Re: DH

Rick I don't know everything about the issues here but I can testify that there is a shop out here in Mesa called ZMoto that was interested in selling Husabergs. Old dude one day asked me if I knew anything about the Brian who represented Husaberg and he also told me he was really interested in selling the bikes and that he thought they were good bikes (although he is a Japanese specialist, he knows his way around a KTM and was ready to learn Husabergs) and that the deal fell through for some obscure, unexplained reason.

So, again, I don't know everything about the beef between the different parties involved here, but there really was a shop over here that was approached by Brian (Splat) and was ready to sell Bergs in the East Valley.

Soooo... sorry if my intervention is OT but I thought I could bring this up to the discussion.
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

logjump said:
Splat,
Were you hoping BMG would finance a so-called MC shop based out of your motorhome?
No, they hired me as a rep for the S.W. region of the U.S.
I met josh barrett and co (They flew me and the other reps to canada for a rep meeting). They decided that they only wanted 1 dealer per state (Ca. being exempted from that decision). Myself and the other reps tried to explain to them that they were mistaken; that the U.S. market was/is different then the canadian market and would require more than one dealer in states with large metropolitan areas. As Le Frog stated, I did already have a new dealer ready to sign up and they (BMG) told me that they did not want to upset their established dealer (Premier Motorsports).

Since they did not want a dealer competing with Premier (the prospective dealer's shop is 65 miles from Premier on the opposite side of the city), I was letting the other guy know that he is wasting his time preparing a plan because there is no way they will allow another 'berg dealer in Barry's backyard (literally; Barry's home is next to Maricopa, Az)

So get off your high horse logjump; there is a lot more to the story than you realize. Did you notice that Brett did not dispute anything that I typed? HE knows a little more about what transpired behind the scenes. He knows my posts were accurate and truthful.
 
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: DH

LeFrog said:
Rick I don't know everything about the issues here but I can testify that there is a shop out here in Mesa called ZMoto that was interested in selling Husabergs. Old dude one day asked me if I knew anything about the Brian who represented Husaberg and he also told me he was really interested in selling the bikes and that he thought they were good bikes (although he is a Japanese specialist, he knows his way around a KTM and was ready to learn Husabergs) and that the deal fell through for some obscure, unexplained reason.

So, again, I don't know everything about the beef between the different parties involved here, but there really was a shop over here that was approached by Brian (Splat) and was ready to sell Bergs in the East Valley.

Soooo... sorry if my intervention is OT but I thought I could bring this up to the discussion.
No, they were right on target. Thanks. I did not contact him after the meeting in canada because josh barrett told me not to. When I left BMG, josh said one thing to me in person, then when I was on the flight home, josh sent me a fax completely contradicting what he said in person; including instructing me not to contact that prospect again.

I guess in canada, they say one thing to your face and another via fax when they don't have the integrity or character to say it in person; eh?
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

nsman said:
Splat,
I can assure you that most motorcycle businesses know exactly what they are doing,
I would disagree. Some do, but most that I have visited do not.

I have seen too many 2 and 3 year old new bikes sitting on their floors to believe that they understand how to manage 'inventory turns' and inventory dollars.

The simple concept of turning inventory dollars is something most do not understand. It is a proven account concept that you are dollars ahead unloading something at a loss to free up the dollars and stop paying floorplan interest as opposed to keeping a product on the floor past 90 days.

So this dealer has product on his floor for 900 days? He doesn't understand how 'inventory turns per year' is more important to his bottom line than the profit or loss of the sale of those bikes. He is losing more money by having those dollars ( and floorspace) being taken by a non moving item than if he sold them for even $2000 below cost. I was in specialty retail for many years, I understand his thinking (not wanting to sell at a loss), but he is losing more money by letting the bikes take up space in his shop. Any CPA could explain that to him.
 
Re: RE: Husabergfanatic, Please read and respond

risky1 said:
...However when I went to buy, they still wanted an unreasonable price for a two year old machine and would not budge. unreasonable I guess is an understatement, because he still has/has them for over 980 DAYS! that should say something about what they are willing to do. You can't tell me that they just have not had any buyers, because they have.

when I was in there, I told him I would let people know that he had some bikes that he was willing to deal on (whatever that means) but the sales guy stated he won't sell them out of state. I don't know if that is personal thing or an issue with interstate commerce, taxes etc.
If he sold those bikes at cost 2 years ago, he would be more profitable. He wouldn't be "in the hole'" paying interest. That is what I meant when I said most m/c don't understand the basic concepts of retailing.

The 'out of state' thing is probably due to an agreement that he had to make with BMG to carry the line.

IF he sold those bikes 2 years ago at cost as a marketing move, he would have stirred more interest in the product and he would have sold many more bikes as a result of the referals of those satisfied owners.

Example of how "inventory turns" works:

Take $30,000 and buy 5 bikes. Sell 2 for $7000 and sit on 3. You have $16000 sitting for 3 years not making money.

Instead, sell 5 bikes $600 over cost. You now have $33,000. Buy 5 bikes, sell again for $600 over cost. You now have $36,000.

Your $30,000 earned you $6000. That is a 20% return even though you only marked up each bike 10%. That is how successful retailers (including Walmart) look at their inventory.

When I managed retail, we used that system to earn a return on investment in excess of 70%.

An example of how selling at cost would have made him more money:

Take $30,000. Buy 5 bikes. Sell 2 for $7000. sell remainder at cost. He now has $32,000. Most likely, his 5 sold bikes will send him more prospective buyers. He buys 5 bikes. Sells 2 for $7000 and 3 at cost. He now has $34,000. So he is way ahead of the game by unloading inventory and repeating the cycle.

Right now he has $20,000 + in inventory losing money and he can't see a way out. He thinks he will recover his investment, but that is highly unlikely (we all agree on that; right?)
 
Re: Husabergfanatic, Please read and respond

logjump said:
.... Turn those negative feelings into something positive like figuring out how to make your Gas Gas perform as well as a Berg. (yes, I know BMG is the new Gas Gas importer)

log
I do not want my Gas Gas to ride like my 'berg.
Just as berger did not want his Husky to ride like his 650. Two totally different machines with their individual advantages.

Yes, I found out that BMG is the new importer after I purchased my 450; they refused to warranty a subframe that has a weld in the wrong place. The selling dealer is not happy with their lack of customer service.
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

logjump said:
Were you hoping BMG would finance a so-called MC shop based out of your motorhome?....the decision for BMG not to offer you a dealership, ya think?
...
I never considered opening an m/c dealership. So there was never any decision whether or not to offer me a franchise. You're way off base.
 
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: DH

"I guess in canada, they say one thing to your face and another via fax when they don't have the integrity or character to say it in person; eh?"


Brian,

Your posts on this web site over the years have made it very clear to all what you are really like. Those that have read your posts can determine for themselves if that is good or bad.

You can bag on Jedi all you want if you think that it is appropriate but leave the rest of Canada out of your rant. It would please me to no end if you never returned to our great country. Unfortunately for you, I travel to the USA frequently. I will make sure I plan a trip to your area to visit my friend Berger who does a great job of showing how friendly and respectful Americans can be. I will also get him to help me find you so that I can visit you in person and tell you exactly what I really think. As a Canuck, I am apparently barely smart enough to operate a fax machine and more importantly, I prefer face to face discussions when telling someone what I think of them.

Merry Christmas
 
I really value this forum, I am passionate about Husabergs, and I find that I really do like 99.8% of fellow riders. Mr Splat and his motorhome can serve whoever they please, but this forum is not the place to ridicule others. That said, I will change direction a bit. I wanted to tell everyone how thrilled I am right now. I had heard that we had a new Husaberg dealer in Gunnison, CO, and had never met him. My riding buddy is recovering from knee surgery, so I loaded him up in the old truck and headed to Gunnison. We found Gunnison Motor Sports and met Fritz Kadlec. I felt at home right away. It's so nice to have a dealer within driving distance in Western Colorado, Fritz is a rider, and enthusiastic about the brand. As is common in this state, his showroom floor is filled with snowmobiles right now, but he does have an '06 FE450 in stock. I think it can be had at a great price. '07s will be ordered soon, and I am so excited to think that I can drive up there and bounce up and down on them! The KTM dealer is just down the street from him, and is run by Morrill Griffith. Both Fritz and Morrill are riders of considerable accomplishment. I don't know how Gunnison ended up with the two of them selling my favorite brands, but I like it a lot! A big part of my love of this sport is the people I meet and get to interact with. Nowhere else in my life have I found better folks than in motorcycling. It has been a learning experience, as all good ones are. One short story I will relate is the time I met a Japanese rider at a desert race in Utah. He was travelling across the USA to experience what he could of it, and attending races in areas he ended up in. It never occurred to me that the Japanese manufacturers could be as "in to the sport" as maybe the English or Spanish bike makers. I talked with this rider a bit, really liked him. I got a bit of an education as well. He told me of the passion of some of his fellow countrymen for motorcycles. I was a little ashamed to realize that I had a bit of an unfounded bigotry about Japanese motorcycle involvement in general. Maybe my poor introduction to Honda Factory attitudes in the '70s was at fault. I attended Honda factory school in Gardena, CA, and they really got after me for admitting that I raced BSAs and Ossas. I mean they got in my face! I guess that experience flavored my opinion about Japanese motorcycles in general. Anyhow, this rider in Utah completely changed my perception of many things. I hope he is well this day, and riding somewhere! Merry Christmas all!
 
Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: DH

Coffin said:
"I guess in canada, they say one thing to your face and another via fax when they don't have the integrity or character to say it in person; eh?"

...You can bag on Jedi all you want if you think that it is appropriate but leave the rest of Canada out of your rant. ..Merry Christmas

You are right. I do apologize to all Canadians. I should not have made that comment. Sorry.

Merry Christmas.
 
Re: RE: Re: DH

Splat said:
Did you notice that Brett did not dispute anything that I typed?

Brian:

You obviously have a lot of time on your hands, and I do not.

Cheers,

Brett
 
buzzard said:
It's so nice to have a dealer within driving distance

Hey there Buzzard, I know how you feel! Western North Carolina had a Husaberg dealer for about 3 months, and it was less than half an hour away from my house! I used to go walk around and just look at the bikes. I felt kind of special having a showroom to view the bikes in.

Then they dropped Husabergs, and I'm back to looking at the bikes online ;)

thanks,
json
 
You guys are reading way too much into the fact that Husaberg has non-currents. Those years you reference are the first years after the quality problems and we are still having to get over the hang over from it. I had much fewer problems out of my Berg this year than I did my XR650R.

Present quality has nothing to do with having non-current models. All manufacturers have non-currents. Here is how the J-model manufacturers handle it, sometimes after their non-currents get as much as 3 years old. If they see a model isn't selling by the end of the year, they reduce the price to the dealer, right about new model intro time, say $400 each.

Now, how do they keep from making the dealers mad who paid full dealer cost for theirs but the dealer on the other side of town now buys them for $400 less ? The answer is the manufacturer goes back and also gives those dealers with this same model unsold a $400 per unit rebate too. You have to have deep pockets to do this. Husaberg does not. Berg dealers are also usually very small dealers, they cannot afford to have 2 to 4 bikes becoming noncurrent, tying up their small amount of capital.

J-model manufacturers also hold bid sales for the dealers to come in and bid on lots at reduced prices in order to get rid of the older bikes.I doubt Berg has that capability.
 
Ktm 400

70marlin said:
Husabergler said:
I would start at $4000.00 . Would rather move the dead wood than wait for it to become a collectors item if it were me .

Thanks for the support. My 03 FE400E is still kicking *** big time! And I'm digging the 400cc displacement. I've spent a lot of time, money and effort on getting my suspension right for me. I'll be riding the 03 for the time being. But if I was to make a deal for a 04 450 I'd start around $4500 US. And walk out the door at $5100 US. By the way my dealer only has one 06 450 on the show room floor.

PS: Maybe by the time I'm ready for a new bike. Husaberg will have brought back the FE400, Like KTM did with there 400EXC I can only hope?
I'm pretty sure KTM stopped the 400 exc in 02?? 450 is just the size we the people are demanding. Its only 50cc's larger and doesnt rev quite so hard.
 
Re: Husabergfanatic, Please read and respond

logjump said:
Splat said:
tds2277 said:
They are canadian and they don't understand the AMERICAN market.

First of all I never said anything about Canadians. so this quote above and below me i NEVER SAID or TYPED THAT, I WOULd never even consider this type of thought pattern....I know Berry pretty Good and it is he whom im getting my advice from as far as wanting to open a Dealership that only Carries HUSABERG...NOt KTM and of Course your oil tires clothing and merch.......and I live here in Maricopa Az 85239......Long Story Short i was a Muscian in a Band for 8 Years, I played Bass and Did Business Management for the band,,,we were approached with some basic Endorsement deals about using companies Equipment, nothing Major...no im not a Rock Star..yes ive toured and signed hundreds of Autographs...and been there and done that...however and I turned them all Down, because i didnt believe in them.....The Company i did want...well i was never Approached....point in Mind I would love to have a HUSABERG Dealership..because i Believe in them and that is where my Passion is.....and that is where i stand.... So please do not think that I Terry Scott TDS2277 said anything or will say anything about Canadians...that is just not me...Thankyou for reading this

The canadians that are controlling the marketing of the 'berg don't want any other dealers in Arizona. Again, they don't understand the American market.

These comments really piss me off and I'm not even Canadian! I even see how you type Canadian in small type and American in Caps. Get off your high-horse Brian! Turn those negative feelings into something positive like figuring out how to make your Gas Gas perform as well as a Berg. (yes, I know BMG is the new Gas Gas importer)

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