Husaberg 2t??!!

quite like the ktm in the retro sticker kit next to it.

had a conversation over the weekend that made me think that maybe if it does turn out to be a conventional ktm engine it may not be a bad thing.

this is how the conversation sort of went;

there are alot of people who would ride a 2st but dont like KTM 's and really you only have 4 makers of 2st enduro bikes so choice is limited.

The thing that most seem to dislike about ktm's - apparently - is the razor sharp handling, **** brakes and suspension, now i havent ridden a ktm 2st for a couple of years so had to take the other persons word for it.

the engines are one of the better liked pieces, so for a first year bike husaberg could do a lot worse than fitting the electric start, 6 speed 250/300 engines into a chassis of its own design. A bit like what beta did with the old KTM rfs engines.

that way the people who don't like the KTM traits above get the good reliable engines in a different chassis and husaberg hasnt spent a too much money designing a new engine if the bikes dont sell.

after the conversation it sort of made sense and changed my mind a bit from the previous "whats the point of using a KTM engine' comments i've made before.

anyway the release date is getting closer :cheers:

"Chassis of it's own design" - hmmm

I've always thought of the late Husabergs, especially the new 70 degree engine bikes, as KTMs with blue plastic and a Husaberg engine. Except for some parts of the frame, the suspension seems the same, and most of the parts are the same (except for major parts of the engine design of course).

I don't know about people who don't like KTMs - I've not read or heard that anywhere. Of course there are always haters of any bike...

Personally, I would not see much appeal in a KTM 2 stroke engine in a slightly different chassis and blue plastic.

The talk of a different engine, especially one with the Orbital DI and maybe even street legal - now that *IS* exciting.

CodeMonkey said:

"Chassis of it's own design" - hmmm

I've always thought of the late Husabergs, especially the new 70 degree engine bikes, as KTMs with blue plastic and a Husaberg engine. Except for some parts of the frame, the suspension seems the same, and most of the parts are the same (except for major parts of the engine design of course).

I don't know about people who don't like KTMs - I've not read or heard that anywhere. Of course there are always haters of any bike...

Personally, I would not see much appeal in a KTM 2 stroke engine in a slightly different chassis and blue plastic.

The talk of a different engine, especially one with the Orbital DI and maybe even street legal - now that *IS* exciting.

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Just food for thought,sir. I have had 4 KTMs with my last being an '08 KTM 450 EXC-R. Loved it to death, but a bit of an overkill (for me) in the tight/technical woods.

I now have the 2010 Husagberg FE 390. And if we *believe* the ride mags weights - it actually weighs the same if not a little more than more 450 EXC-R.

But when I ride my FE 390 it "feels" and rides like it weighs +20 lbs less than my Katoom did. So yah, there is something to the 70d engine layout! So, it's not a real stretch to see how the 2-smokers could even get *more* flickable.

Cheers! E-Ticket

CodeMonkey said:

"Chassis of it's own design" - hmmm

I've always thought of the late Husabergs, especially the new 70 degree engine bikes, as KTMs with blue plastic and a Husaberg engine. Except for some parts of the frame, the suspension seems the same, and most of the parts are the same (except for major parts of the engine design of course).

I don't know about people who don't like KTMs - I've not read or heard that anywhere. Of course there are always haters of any bike...

Personally, I would not see much appeal in a KTM 2 stroke engine in a slightly different chassis and blue plastic.

The talk of a different engine, especially one with the Orbital DI and maybe even street legal - now that *IS* exciting.

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Think you need to look a bit harder then. There is probably more difference in the chassis than there is in the engine which various people have quoted as being 80-95% ktm compatible.

In respect of people not liking the ktm were not talking 'ktm haters' just people who would rather have a bike that handled differently or has a different set up to the suspension or brakes. Thats why there is more than one bike manufacturer in existance, cos not everyone wants the same thing.

yes, i too hope its some all new engine but what i was trying to say was perhaps if it isnt, then its not necessarily a bad thing, guess i didn't explain myself well enough.

E-Ticket said:

Just food for thought,sir. I have had 4 KTMs with my last being an '08 KTM 450 EXC-R. Loved it to death, but a bit of an overkill (for me) in the tight/technical woods.

I now have the 2010 Husagberg FE 390. And if we *believe* the ride mags weights - it actually weighs the same if not a little more than more 450 EXC-R.

But when I ride my FE 390 it "feels" and rides like it weighs +20 lbs less than my Katoom did. So yah, there is something to the 70d engine layout! So, it's not a real stretch to see how the 2-smokers could even get *more* flickable.

Cheers! E-Ticket

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Yes, but would it be any different or better than a KTM 2 stroke?

cypher said:

Think you need to look a bit harder then. There is probably more difference in the chassis than there is in the engine which various people have quoted as being 80-95% ktm compatible.

In respect of people not liking the ktm were not talking 'ktm haters' just people who would rather have a bike that handled differently or has a different set up to the suspension or brakes. Thats why there is more than one bike manufacturer in existance, cos not everyone wants the same thing.

yes, i too hope its some all new engine but what i was trying to say was perhaps if it isnt, then its not necessarily a bad thing, guess i didn't explain myself well enough.

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The numbers I have seen is that about 70% of the engine components are KTM (especially from the cylinder up), but that of course the engine design is quite different.

Naturally the frame itself is different, but the geometry is about the same, and the suspension components are very close to the same. More than one person who has owned/ridden the same sized KTM has stated the opinion that the suspension/geometry was almost identical between KTM and the new Husabergs, but that the engine made all the difference because of the layout/design. On that info is what I base my opinion. I've not ridden KTMs before, so I can't offer a direct comparison, I am just going by what other people who did have said.

Maybe it would make a difference - I can't say, but I would bet that a lot of people would not see much difference - at least on the surface.

I am hoping that there is more to the rumors than the idea of a KTM engine in a Husaberg frame - that they really do come out with something a bit more unique. We'll probably see soon. From what I understand this is the last day of the dealer conference (or maybe it was yesterday).

CodeMonkey said:

E-Ticket said:

Just food for thought,sir. I have had 4 KTMs with my last being an '08 KTM 450 EXC-R. Loved it to death, but a bit of an overkill (for me) in the tight/technical woods.

I now have the 2010 Husagberg FE 390. And if we *believe* the ride mags weights - it actually weighs the same if not a little more than more 450 EXC-R.

But when I ride my FE 390 it "feels" and rides like it weighs +20 lbs less than my Katoom did. So yah, there is something to the 70d engine layout! So, it's not a real stretch to see how the 2-smokers could even get *more* flickable.

Cheers! E-Ticket

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Yes, but would it be any different or better than a KTM 2 stroke?

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That's hard to say, as the 2Ts have so much less rotating mass than a 4T. But I bet it would.

E-Ticket said:

CodeMonkey said:

Yes, but would it be any different or better than a KTM 2 stroke?

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That's hard to say, as the 2Ts have so much less rotating mass than a 4T. But I bet it would.

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The proof would be in the pudding - if such a bike were to come out with a KTM engine, you know that inevitably people will ride them back to back, and we shall see.

Personally, I don't see it. I don't think that KTM/Husaberg would go for a half measure like this, especially one that would invite criticism. I think the only way they would think it would be worth it would be to do it in such a way as to not dilute the Husaberg brand, and to bring out something really innovative.

What we can find in france since the 16 june :

LES HUSABERGS 250/300 2 TEMPS ARRIVENT RÉSERVER LES DES AUJOURD'HUI DÉTAILS: MOTEUR KTM 6 VITESSES
DÉMARREUR ÉLECTRIQUE
RÉSERVOIR 11 L
SABOT
PROTÈGE CADRE
GUIDON NEKEN
TES TAILLER DAMS LA MASSE
FOURCHE DOUBLE CARTOUCHE WP
TARIFS: HUSABERG TE 250 8080 EUROS
TE 300 8290 EUROS

I try to translate (sorry for my english)
Husaberg 250 / 300 2 strokes come
KTM motor 6 speeds
electric starter
tank 11 liter
skid plate
frame protection set
handlebar Neken
special clamp
double cartridge fork WP
price 250 8080 euros (9996,58 USD)
price 300 8290 euros (10256,39 USD)

doesn't say anything there about a slanted motor of FI, without either of them why wouldn't you just buy a KTM and save some cash?

to go to a slanted motor the crank needs to go up along with the pipe and carb etc it so will be more top heavy and Raise the COG. the gyroscoptions and related twaddle are overrated IMHO.

put a worked 628 engine with DR-Cs head in the new frame with a higher relocated output shaft TTX boingers and 300mm ground clearance and you'd have one seriously nice handling mochine...... lighter than the new bike slimmer and lower than the old one but still with the pre 09 ballsy grunt.

with a nice short little 2 stroke engine there seems little point in the slanty stuff other than marketing.

having said that take a look at the 09+ ktm 65 ......

no more informations for the moment (no picture, no other specifications)

bushmechanic said:

to go to a slanted motor the crank needs to go up along with the pipe and carb etc it so will be more top heavy and Raise the COG. the gyroscoptions and related twaddle are overrated IMHO.

put a worked 628 engine with DR-Cs head in the new frame with a higher relocated output shaft TTX boingers and 300mm ground clearance and you'd have one seriously nice handling mochine...... lighter than the new bike slimmer and lower than the old one but still with the pre 09 ballsy grunt.

with a nice short little 2 stroke engine there seems little point in the slanty stuff other than marketing.

having said that take a look at the 09+ ktm 65 ......

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afraid i gotta disagree about the first paragraph.

ride the old and new bikes back to back on the same course and it makes the old ones feel like overweight trail bikes.
the disadvantage with the higher COG does comes when the wheels stop turning and you gotta bike it up from a stack as you can feel the higher COG.

whether or not the layout would be as much of an advantage on a 2st is debateable so i guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out.

hsb43 said:

What we can find in france since the 16 june :

LES HUSABERGS 250/300 2 TEMPS ARRIVENT RÉSERVER LES DES AUJOURD'HUI DÉTAILS: MOTEUR KTM 6 VITESSES
DÉMARREUR ÉLECTRIQUE
RÉSERVOIR 11 L
SABOT
PROTÈGE CADRE
GUIDON NEKEN
TES TAILLER DAMS LA MASSE
FOURCHE DOUBLE CARTOUCHE WP
TARIFS: HUSABERG TE 250 8080 EUROS
TE 300 8290 EUROS

I try to translate (sorry for my english)
Husaberg 250 / 300 2 strokes come
KTM motor 6 speeds
electric starter
tank 11 liter
skid plate
frame protection set
handlebar Neken
special clamp
double cartridge fork WP
price 250 8080 euros (9996,58 USD)
price 300 8290 euros (10256,39 USD)

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Thanks for the information, hsb43! Cheers! E-Ticket

Husaberg with Orbital DI, maybe other improvements on current 2stroke tech, and maybe eventually street legal == exciting! :cheers:

Husaberg with current KTM 2 stroke engines == dullsville. :roll:

The world economy is still rather fragile. Maybe KTM is just playing it safe by not advancing technology too fast. You can out pace your market if your not careful.

Barshoe said:

The world economy is still rather fragile. Maybe KTM is just playing it safe by not advancing technology too fast. You can out pace your market if your not careful.

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they may have already done just that... price of bikes needs to come down to msrp being ~7500 max for any variation, works replica, street legal, enduro, sx, supermoto etc... the husqvarna dealer told me he would do 7999 on a 2010 te 510, i'm sure i could really haggle him down a bit more, which seems pretty reasonable for a street legal fuel injected dirtbike

cypher said:

bushmechanic said:

to go to a slanted motor the crank needs to go up along with the pipe and carb etc it so will be more top heavy and Raise the COG. the gyroscoptions and related twaddle are overrated IMHO.

put a worked 628 engine with DR-Cs head in the new frame with a higher relocated output shaft TTX boingers and 300mm ground clearance and you'd have one seriously nice handling mochine...... lighter than the new bike slimmer and lower than the old one but still with the pre 09 ballsy grunt.

with a nice short little 2 stroke engine there seems little point in the slanty stuff other than marketing.

having said that take a look at the 09+ ktm 65 ......

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afraid i gotta disagree about the first paragraph.

ride the old and new bikes back to back on the same course and it makes the old ones feel like overweight trail bikes.
the disadvantage with the higher COG does comes when the wheels stop turning and you gotta bike it up from a stack as you can feel the higher COG.

whether or not the layout would be as much of an advantage on a 2st is debateable so i guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out.

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well i didn't say the old bike handles better the the new one.

ride a stock pre 09 berg back to back with my 700 and you get the same impressions, not that mine is as good as an 09 but it feels about 10kgs lighter up front than it did stock because the frame is extended 50mm at the steering head the bike close to 50mm lower and ive still got another 30mm lower to go yet. apart from the tank slapper ergonomics its easier to ride than most of the current crop 450 MX bikes.

the mass centralisation and new chassis are good and can be applied to the old engine as well without raising the COG. low cog and low overall weight of the 2t together with some mass centeralisation must at some point be as beneficial as a crank in the middle is all im saying

I bet they've tried a smoker in the LDC config and i'll also bet that it wasn't worth doing, we will find out why soon enough I guess

youtube video of new 2011 husaberg 2 stroke

[youtube:1kzw2k8b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0FzSAgEEVM[/youtube:1kzw2k8b]

[youtube:1kzw2k8b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM1JqBCo4xw[/youtube:1kzw2k8b]

Is there anyway to get a 2 stroke from Canada or Mexico and bring it into the US?