How SHOULD the 09 Bergs look like?

More centralized mass and less of it (minimalist mentality). More nimble for extreme enduro, yet stable enough for grass tracks.

For me I would want the 09's to be basically the same 25CrMo4 tempered frame, brake/suspension components, but with FI and street legal from the factory.

Like this.












Please excuse the bad photochop

I want FI, street legal, good headlight, quiet 93dB and fuel tank under seat.

kelsow said:

Like this.

Please excuse the bad photochop

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From what we know, very close to the real thing. Nice photo.
A year from now we will se if the picture was right.
//Thomas

I still can't believe how close the engines on Husky look to the Berg, except they pushed the envelope a bit further into the right direction. Less racing oriented, maybe, but more innovative, which is a shame.

which huskys you on about cos the new ones look nothing like bergs!

as for kelsow's mock up if that was the 09 bike i'd put down a deposit now.

Well I am talking about the engine, not the rest of the bike.

Ok, the CrMo frame is a good type but an Ti frame would be the best! very expensive but less weight .
and the engine... DOHC with variable valve timing and a direct injection trothle body typed system.
and an telelever compaired with the telescopic WP legs.
This would be a crazy bike. But I like the HusaberG models a lot. Nicest looking bike there is, no slim japanese F***** delta box frame like the picture here above! If HusaberG is going that way, than I'm not interested anymore!

And the engines are allmost the same like an husqvarna? Ok but since 2000 they changed allot!
I've got 2 husqvarna's 610 from the early 90's, and that engine is allmost the same as the HusaberG ones from that year.

Kelsow, that is fine looking bike. You might want to forward to Husaberg.se, although Benelli might not appreciate it. I hope Husaberg really comes out with some new ideas for 09. The new decals are getting old. I think the tank under the seat is a great idea for more nuetral/lower center of gravity.

EuroEnduro

Yes, once I saw the Benelli offering I thought, that's exactly what HB should be coming out with.
It's a gorgeous machine.

well they need a bike for the future and so the engine should be tilted flat ala speedway and BMW. that means unfortunately Fi but i expect that by now it should gbe good from the gate.

very low CoG because if a MX version can't compete with the katoom 450SX from it's birth then it should give up!

so fuel in the frame with the original tank becoming an airbox. would also like to see, like BMW a coaxial sprocket arrangement. that's a great idea!

i guess we need a 250/350/400 entry model. if they don't do that this time then they should give up.....

other than that - nothing.

please don't try to re-invent the wheel.

regards

Taffy

Hey Kelsow - you forgot to paste in the oil and/or coolant dripping down the stand onto the grass.............

LeFrog said:

Well I am talking about the engine, not the rest of the bike.

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so was i.

anyway, simply to get more buyers so that the brand can continue berg must change certain things, not because they need changing, but because of the percieved technology advances that change means.

because as we all know any change is for the better, or so years of change by the main motorcycle manufacturers would have us believe.

anyway - frame must change - not for any performance reason but for what i've said above. remember a local rider who used to be husky supported and had Ti frames 15 yrs ago. only problem was had to replace the frame every couple of races. keep it steel.

efi a must - despite all the pros and cons, when all the other manufacturers are going to efi why the hell would berg want to introduce a bike that was behind the times when it was released.

suspension - dont mind the pds at all, maybe becasuse i'm on the heavier side, but i feel that berg has to go back to the old days were they ran higher spec than the competition. cos at one time bergs would have the higher spec mx suspension whilst ktm bikes had lesser spec enduro units.

exhaust - light weight single silencer system.

entry level bikes - possibly but which capacity do you make it. sorry but unless thay can produce a 250 that will stomp the ktm 250, can we see that happening? forget it. then there are other capacitys, 300, 350, 400 but hey already do a 380.

styling - employ kelsow. buy his photoshop benelli design and produce that

http://www.husaberg.org/modules/gallery ... 9_Berg.jpg

is the tank under the seat? hard to get to carburetor but with EFI who needs to get to the carb anymore. I like tmenduro's comment, keep it minimalist I find that about my berg is very cool, the minimalist approach I like.

Bitchen picture! thanks

oh colors? make it bad ***. Keep it husaberg colors too.

new husaberg management for 09 is ...

kelsow is head of design

taffy is head of engineering

big bob is head of sales

whosahberg is head of all warranty issues :twisted:

I can't take any credit for the design but I know what I like.


I wouldn't mind being head photoshop guy though.

With the present chassis I like the unique openness, lightness and simplicity. It looks clean, light and fast. No nonsense. The motor must be one of the oldest in industry, Husqvarna had it in competition and winning in 1985. It's the machine that made 4-strokes win. More than 20 years later you'd expect some progress. It is still winning but can it really be the ultimate motor? Some rumours suggests a speedway configuration motor to lower center of gravity, this is what people have been talking about since they did it in speedway. Are we going to see lighter wheels, forks, triple clamps and stuff?
The frame have been made in heat treated alu as well so it is not a question of material. You can get the Aluminium frame from Ghost racing, if you have the money, it looks the same as the steel frame, only it is lighter. If you like the perimeter style frame you can get it now from Italy:http://www.omeromoto.com/special_parts.htm I do not know if you can compete with these specials, they would probably need to get homologated by FIM, AMA and what have you...
Kelsows photoshop husa is fantastic. The guys looking at the bike look depressed, they must be competitor representatives. I like the knee boomerang a lot. But would like to see some less patchyness and some more transparency.
Omero moto did that part well in spite of the perimeter frame. But not well enough IMHO.