Hmm, sounds like what I did to some bmx bikes as a kid, some even felt like you were crossed up evenwhen riding. The potential to tune the bike into handling like crap is very likely. Put a little twist in the headstock and things could really get weird.fryguy said:
fryguy said:Lefrog
While you can't move your bar clamps back and forth, you can rotate them.
Also, how tall are your risers and why did you mount them? Risers decrease steering capabilities by reducing body weight on the front tire. I suggest you remove them and see what happens.
Thanks, Lee.
I added the raisers because I was crouching forward a bit too much and adding them made my riding posture a little better.
I hurt my back playing rugby (and then keeping playing when I should have retired or at least taken a break), and I am fine on a dirt bike as long as my back is straight.
Adding them did not change my steering dramatically, actually. My steering is fine, I was single tracking and riding in tight washes this week-end and did quite fine.
But when I tried Berger's 496 last week, I was amazed at how much easier his bike was to steer, and I only rode around the staging area in 2nd gear, I did not hit any hard trail with it, but I am confident it would be a lot easier than mine on the trail.
I was wondering where the difference was coming from.
You can check my setting in my gallery, the forks are at the same level right now.
wildbill said:
Thanks for the suggestion, I may do that as well, eventually, although you can't be too liberal with grease.
But the "easier to steer" has more to do with the feel of it than resistance in the column.
I think the newer bergs are just easier to steer, which is great.
My 01 steers fine, but if I can do something to make it better, then I'm ready to try it.
I'm game.
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LeFrog said:
this is why you are beyond help and should be shot against a wall. in the above post:
"My 01 steers fine, but if I can do something to make it better, then I'm ready to try it.
I'm game. "
you're all over the place. get a grip, stop whittering on, get out there and try things! you're the biggest bullshitter bar none on this site. you can't ride for toffee and you haven't a clue what they did to your suspension. you've never put your sag numbers up anywhere because you probably haven't even done those.
you are just very, very, very, very lazy. it's that simple!
you then reckon the doc doesn't cover everything as if to imply that this has stopped you getting out of your armchair - again!!!!!!!
as for the rest of you. there is a photo and an explanation of the change in head angle and it's all due to eric (husabutt). i appeal to you all to stop becoming sh...heads before the disease becomes infectious! check your facts all of you before you go off on one coz from now on you're all twits!!!!!
even the questions you lot ask; are answered. what a waste of time....
regards
Taffy
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
TM
i have described the SIMPLE change that offset makes and the simple rule of the headangle. to explain the trail requires a diagram and i decided the message i was trying to make would get lost in the fog.
i think the rules are simple. jack it up at the rear and lower it at the front and it steers quicker. the more offset the quicker it steers and the less offset the more stable it steers.
i then explained that the forks could be pushed up and through to help lower the C of G.
i explained about handlebars and seat height etc.
even fryguys mention of bar raisers is in there.
it's short and it's sweet.
now i've changed the subframe, and i've jacked the rear, and i've lowered the front, and i've changed the float in the MV and i've tested it all.
if we can't change anything except the above why get waylaid in the bull?
tell me what our own handling graphs will do when i can't get half the site to even get their phuqing tyre pressures right?
regards
Taffy
i have described the SIMPLE change that offset makes and the simple rule of the headangle. to explain the trail requires a diagram and i decided the message i was trying to make would get lost in the fog.
i think the rules are simple. jack it up at the rear and lower it at the front and it steers quicker. the more offset the quicker it steers and the less offset the more stable it steers.
i then explained that the forks could be pushed up and through to help lower the C of G.
i explained about handlebars and seat height etc.
even fryguys mention of bar raisers is in there.
it's short and it's sweet.
now i've changed the subframe, and i've jacked the rear, and i've lowered the front, and i've changed the float in the MV and i've tested it all.
if we can't change anything except the above why get waylaid in the bull?
tell me what our own handling graphs will do when i can't get half the site to even get their phuqing tyre pressures right?
regards
Taffy
TaffyTaffy said:
Typcially caustic, but pointing in the right direction. Being an engineer, I tend to apply physics and forces to everything that I look at. As I said before, get out the tape measure, a notebook, and a couple of tools, and go testing, testing........ But as you have noted, once people get the steering angle that they are looking for, a subframe lowering will be in order unless they want the crotch rocket feel. I too, believe that this is further than most people are willing to go to tune their bike. Now everybody go for a ride and be thankful that the 'berg is good enough that we can nitpick over small things!!!!
Up untill the implementing of this new site server I could not get to any info in the doc that wasn't common sence to me at 10 years old . Granted it was due to my computer ignorance . However smart a## I still do not see the difference of the steering head angles in degrees which is what I had originally asked .
Taffy said:
1-Have you ridden with me lately? I don't pretend to be the best out here. You may also think you're never going to get hurt. Again: what goes around...
2-How do you know I don't know anything about what they did to my suspension? You're a mind reader? I am not an expert. Never claimed to be. But I know quite a bit about suspension.
3-My sag is 100mm even and yes I experimented with more and I like it better at 100mm.
4-I am not lazy. I also happen to have a job, a 2-hour commute, kids and a wife, a house and a backyard to maintain. My bike is a hobby, not my life. Hint hint.
The issue here is that you are over aggressive and for no reason at all.
You've got an attitude problem. Maybe it goes ok in the UK, but in the US attitude comes before anything else and I strongly advise you find a different target than me to vent your little fits of anger as I already told you a couple times, and I am as polite as I can be.
And no, I don't know everything about motorcycle mechanics and physics, this is why I am here asking questions.
The funniest part of it all is how I have heard so many comments about Taffy asking all sort of annoying questions a few years ago.
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western NC
It will come out in the wash. Seems like everybody needs to eat a chill pill. Personally I don`t care one way or the other. Mean while back when I was stringing beans all this sounds like to me is the difference is steering angle and the way a bike is setup so don`t get your bloomers in a wad. Time to get your ducks in a row. P.S. New bikes are different so merry damn Xmas so get with it and what that might be in the bible might be a little off, so cope and go on. That is the whole deal you always go forward, never back. Sorry for the pep talk but personally I`am get tired. New bikes are different from old bikes.
Perfect , that is what I wanted to know in the first place .
I guess I had to piss you off Taff so you would do the work for me .
As for Moab I would love to meet and ride with you and any other members . As far as calling you smart a## I dont think you could catch me !
Cheers , Ryan
I guess I had to piss you off Taff so you would do the work for me .
As for Moab I would love to meet and ride with you and any other members . As far as calling you smart a## I dont think you could catch me !
Cheers , Ryan
wildbill said:
Wild Bill ,
I am not worked up, I just want a new bike made from my old chassis and for Taffy to spoon feed all the info. to me !
Guys, I had my answer.
Maybe we should lock the thread.
And Taffy keep your personal comments towards me, well, personal. I don't care what you think about me, because you don't know me.
Maybe we should lock the thread.
And Taffy keep your personal comments towards me, well, personal. I don't care what you think about me, because you don't know me.
LETS NOT LET THIS STAND IN THE WAY OF NEW QUESTIONS ,OLD QUESTIONS, POPULAR OR UNPOPULAR OPINION . THE NEW "DOC" FORMAT IS VERY NICE AND THANKS ARE IN ORDER TO ALL WHO CREATED IT. HOWEVER WITHOUT INDIVIDUAL INPUT AND IDEAS THE "DOC" IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED, NOT THIS FORUM OR SITE .
KIND REGARDS , RYAN
KIND REGARDS , RYAN
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Ely, England
tm-enduro said:
froggy
stop wimpering in the corner: you can come out now! you deserve all you get because you have been like a red rag to a bull. you just keep making the wrong conclusions, you ask without looking, you make conclusions which are simply rubbish and should make anyone who gives a toss - very annoyerd with you.
i always say that it's only those that give 100% that get annoyed. i'm a man who gives 100%. i am that man!
so don't say again that you can't do anything coz it's the wrong frame, stop saying i pick on you as though you did nothing.
get off your fat arse and go testing. my advice is to go out into the bush...... and don't come back.
ryan
you some it all up mate. put it on a plate or i'll bleat. even when you do i won't be wrong and i won't apologise! don't be so sure i won't catch your arse at moab. anyway, it's too far for a lazy git innit? it's more than 50 miles. stay at home mate.
if you do come you now have to eat bobzilla's chilli and pass the 'glow' test. if you fail, i name the forfeit!
regards
Taffy
Joined Feb 2002
865 Posts | 9+
las vegas nv
froggy,
i too have noticed the large handling difference you talk about.
my 02 fe650e is alot different than when i rode bergers yr=? 550 at moab.
i have tried some 'simple' adjustments but nothing seemed to come close.
sure i could change the characteristics somewhat, but not what i was really hoping for.
i thought [probably wrongly] that the triple clamps changed in the newer years.
best of luck, hopefully you will be doing the leg work for me.
taffy, i know it was only for a short time but at moab you rode my 650. it wasn't a long ride but imaybe you can remember it. if you can, can you remember any difference?
to me, the 550 felt alot different. the 650 feels at home at high speed and under the gun, and the 550 felt like it could be tossed around easier at low speeds. to me anyhow.
i'm going to bring a keg to moab, so bring your thirst and your husaberg mug. looking forward to seeing you again. cheers.
tuts :devil:
i too have noticed the large handling difference you talk about.
my 02 fe650e is alot different than when i rode bergers yr=? 550 at moab.
i have tried some 'simple' adjustments but nothing seemed to come close.
sure i could change the characteristics somewhat, but not what i was really hoping for.
i thought [probably wrongly] that the triple clamps changed in the newer years.
best of luck, hopefully you will be doing the leg work for me.
taffy, i know it was only for a short time but at moab you rode my 650. it wasn't a long ride but imaybe you can remember it. if you can, can you remember any difference?
to me, the 550 felt alot different. the 650 feels at home at high speed and under the gun, and the 550 felt like it could be tossed around easier at low speeds. to me anyhow.
i'm going to bring a keg to moab, so bring your thirst and your husaberg mug. looking forward to seeing you again. cheers.
tuts :devil:
Hey Taffy , are you sure Moab is more than 50 miles from me ? Hey I know maybe you could circle it on a map and e-mail it to me . Please include scale of miles , or better yet maybe you could map quest the trip for me . Please use Ashburnham MA. for starting point .
Cheers, Ryan
Cheers, Ryan
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Ely, England
Lew
could you PM me with a price for those clamps fella? if the frog doesn't want them i would love them!
i'm rebuilding my engine and it will go in the '04 frame that i've purchased. i will then satart testing with my clamps. i have 22 and 14 so 18 would sit in the middle perfectly!
let me know.
cheers!
taffy
could you PM me with a price for those clamps fella? if the frog doesn't want them i would love them!
i'm rebuilding my engine and it will go in the '04 frame that i've purchased. i will then satart testing with my clamps. i have 22 and 14 so 18 would sit in the middle perfectly!
let me know.
cheers!
taffy
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