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Thoughts on CC forks in 2011 FE Bergs??

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spiderpig

Joined Oct 2008
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Outback, Australia
Hi all,

Might be looking at upgrading to a new berg in a few months and wondering what peoples thoughts are on the new FE's having CC forks now?

Will it be a decent positive step compared to last years OC forks? I have very limited experience of WP CC forks so just after a little info.

thanks
 
Could anyone enlighten me on what the difference between the two is ? I've been getting pretty confident on the old girl lately and am thinking I should put some time/effort/cash into the suspension setup. Would 46 front springs and 76 shock spring need a revalve ? Or would this closed chamber setup be more benefical to a geared up 195lb z grader ?
 
My two cents on the CC forks,

Keep in mind I have not personally tested them, but, what I do have is a lot of exposure to people who have them.

Yes, the off road pro riders are using them on their bikes, but, unless I am mistaken they are the 50mm Aluminun slider ultra trick works units. Just have a look at the axle stub clamps on the regular CC and open cartridge forks compared to the axle clamping stubs on the factory bikes.

I have to say that I am disappointed that all the FE's are allegedly coming with the CC forks. UNLESS, there has been some design changes. They are a good choice for the FX and it's intended use, but, for off road use the open cartridge design is better for off road.

Basically, the WP CC forks are good for MX, SX, WORCS, and really aggressive riders. The open cartridge forks are better at eating up trail hack, rocks, roots etc..... I personally am a little bewildered at why the company would go to this type of fork.

A guess.........Husaberg got a lot of flack for the suspension supposedly being unbalanced in a lot of magazine write ups. The root cause for this was the bike came under sprung to begin with, TRUE, and the valving package was not the best either, also TRUE.

Several magazines put the CC forks from KTM bikes on the Husaberg's in an attempt to improve the handling, with out upping the rear spring rate, or changing the valving-in a word STUPID.

So Husaberg, instead of just upping the spring rates one notch, and maybe doing a little valving work, they replaced a good working off road fork with a MX fork that has a known design problem. I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.

Sorry to be down on the bikes on this subject, but, I know what I know about the CC forks. I don't think it's a reason to not buy the bike, but, it's not a move in the right direction by Husaberg for the majority of off road riders that ride these bikes.
 
DaleEO said:
My two cents on the CC forks,

Keep in mind I have not personally tested them, but, what I do have is a lot of exposure to people who have them.

Yes, the off road pro riders are using them on their bikes, but, unless I am mistaken they are the 50mm Aluminun slider ultra trick works units. Just have a look at the axle stub clamps on the regular CC and open cartridge forks compared to the axle clamping stubs on the factory bikes.

I have to say that I am disappointed that all the FE's are allegedly coming with the CC forks. UNLESS, there has been some design changes. They are a good choice for the FX and it's intended use, but, for off road use the open cartridge design is better for off road.

Basically, the WP CC forks are good for MX, SX, WORCS, and really aggressive riders. The open cartridge forks are better at eating up trail hack, rocks, roots etc..... I personally am a little bewildered at why the company would go to this type of fork.

A guess.........Husaberg got a lot of flack for the suspension supposedly being unbalanced in a lot of magazine write ups. The root cause for this was the bike came under sprung to begin with, TRUE, and the valving package was not the best either, also TRUE.

Several magazines put the CC forks from KTM bikes on the Husaberg's in an attempt to improve the handling, with out upping the rear spring rate, or changing the valving-in a word STUPID.

So Husaberg, instead of just upping the spring rates one notch, and maybe doing a little valving work, they replaced a good working off road fork with a MX fork that has a known design problem. I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.

Sorry to be down on the bikes on this subject, but, I know what I know about the CC forks. I don't think it's a reason to not buy the bike, but, it's not a move in the right direction by Husaberg for the majority of off road riders that ride these bikes.
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It's a preference thing. I would be willing to trade the OC forks off my Husaberg TODAY for a set of CC forks. The OC forks are plush, but for what I ride and my style I prefer the firmer CC ride and bottoming resistance.
 
Serpexc said:
DaleEO said:
My two cents on the CC forks,

Keep in mind I have not personally tested them, but, what I do have is a lot of exposure to people who have them.

Yes, the off road pro riders are using them on their bikes, but, unless I am mistaken they are the 50mm Aluminun slider ultra trick works units. Just have a look at the axle stub clamps on the regular CC and open cartridge forks compared to the axle clamping stubs on the factory bikes.

I have to say that I am disappointed that all the FE's are allegedly coming with the CC forks. UNLESS, there has been some design changes. They are a good choice for the FX and it's intended use, but, for off road use the open cartridge design is better for off road.

Basically, the WP CC forks are good for MX, SX, WORCS, and really aggressive riders. The open cartridge forks are better at eating up trail hack, rocks, roots etc..... I personally am a little bewildered at why the company would go to this type of fork.

A guess.........Husaberg got a lot of flack for the suspension supposedly being unbalanced in a lot of magazine write ups. The root cause for this was the bike came under sprung to begin with, TRUE, and the valving package was not the best either, also TRUE.

Several magazines put the CC forks from KTM bikes on the Husaberg's in an attempt to improve the handling, with out upping the rear spring rate, or changing the valving-in a word STUPID.

So Husaberg, instead of just upping the spring rates one notch, and maybe doing a little valving work, they replaced a good working off road fork with a MX fork that has a known design problem. I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.

Sorry to be down on the bikes on this subject, but, I know what I know about the CC forks. I don't think it's a reason to not buy the bike, but, it's not a move in the right direction by Husaberg for the majority of off road riders that ride these bikes.
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It's a preference thing. I would be willing to trade the OC forks off my Husaberg TODAY for a set of CC forks. The OC forks are plush, but for what I ride and my style I prefer the firmer CC ride and bottoming resistance.[/quote

Serpexc, I know you have written about what you have done in other forums, but, cannot recall at the moment what you have done other than upping the spring rates, did you revalve your stock forks?
 
DaleEO said:
Serpexc said:
DaleEO said:
My two cents on the CC forks,

Keep in mind I have not personally tested them, but, what I do have is a lot of exposure to people who have them.

Yes, the off road pro riders are using them on their bikes, but, unless I am mistaken they are the 50mm Aluminun slider ultra trick works units. Just have a look at the axle stub clamps on the regular CC and open cartridge forks compared to the axle clamping stubs on the factory bikes.

I have to say that I am disappointed that all the FE's are allegedly coming with the CC forks. UNLESS, there has been some design changes. They are a good choice for the FX and it's intended use, but, for off road use the open cartridge design is better for off road.

Basically, the WP CC forks are good for MX, SX, WORCS, and really aggressive riders. The open cartridge forks are better at eating up trail hack, rocks, roots etc..... I personally am a little bewildered at why the company would go to this type of fork.

A guess.........Husaberg got a lot of flack for the suspension supposedly being unbalanced in a lot of magazine write ups. The root cause for this was the bike came under sprung to begin with, TRUE, and the valving package was not the best either, also TRUE.

Several magazines put the CC forks from KTM bikes on the Husaberg's in an attempt to improve the handling, with out upping the rear spring rate, or changing the valving-in a word STUPID.

So Husaberg, instead of just upping the spring rates one notch, and maybe doing a little valving work, they replaced a good working off road fork with a MX fork that has a known design problem. I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.

Sorry to be down on the bikes on this subject, but, I know what I know about the CC forks. I don't think it's a reason to not buy the bike, but, it's not a move in the right direction by Husaberg for the majority of off road riders that ride these bikes.
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It's a preference thing. I would be willing to trade the OC forks off my Husaberg TODAY for a set of CC forks. The OC forks are plush, but for what I ride and my style I prefer the firmer CC ride and bottoming resistance.[/quote

Serpexc, I know you have written about what you have done in other forums, but, cannot recall at the moment what you have done other than upping the spring rates, did you revalve your stock forks?
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Yes, Javier at Trail Tricks did his high end mods and revalving on both ends. The forks are really plush, but I still prefer the overall action of the CC forks. I'm still playing with the overall set up of the bike too. I was riding a 2008 300xc and a 505xc with Trail Tricks suspension before. I guess I got used to the CC forks on those two bikes and don't want to go back. It was easier to move from one KTM to the next because my suspension settings didn't change that much, but moving to the Berg has required a lot more suspension testing and might very well require a change to my riding style.
 
I installed a pair of borrowed CC forks on to the 570 this morning. They are also revalved and modded by Trail Tricks, but set up for a slightly heavier rider on a big KTM four stroke . I''ll post my finding after my ride tomorrow. I think the will be set up pretty close to what I would want to run. I'm hoping that they will work awesome.
 
I think that CC forks are an improvement over OC fork allthough I have not tested yhe FX forks so dont know
how they work good or bad I have set of CC forks on my berg and they are more consistant compared to the OC
fork, one negative on the WP CC forks is that they have bladder thats makes them feel more topped out and little
less pebble compliant compared to OC forks and jap CC forks with cartridge spring

later VIKING
 
What does this mean if you are a lightweight 135 pounder gal and are considering a new Berg? I know I'll have to revalve and respring front & back but will it be more expensive with CC forks? Maybe I should stick with my 08 Berg that's I had set up by Factory Connection...but I'm craving the fuel injection and new motor!
 
Thanks for the replys. Guess will be interesting to see what the ride reports come back with. Suspension performance in rocks and roots is very important to me so will have to wait and see what the CC forks turn out like.

Other option im thinking about would be to just get a cheap deal on a 2010, tune the standard stuff or fit some ohlins ttx front and back and not come out that much worse than the price of a 2011.
 
LadyBerg said:
What does this mean if you are a lightweight 135 pounder gal and are considering a new Berg? I know I'll have to revalve and respring front & back but will it be more expensive with CC forks? Maybe I should stick with my 08 Berg that's I had set up by Factory Connection...but I'm craving the fuel injection and new motor!
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wear a weight pack :D I'm only 10lbs heavier
 
I bought the FX and one of the reasons was to get the CC forks. I ridden KTM's since 98 on open forks. I have had 98 250EXC 2stroke, 03 450 EXC, 05 450 EXC, and 06 450XC. I had the suspension resprung and revalved by Genuine Dirt Racer in NC. I absolutely love the CC forks. I hit stuff racing hare scrambles that I would never have hit before. I have no complaints on the slower hits like roots and stuff. I have no regrets about the CC forks. By getting this bike I went from 6-7 in Vet A immediately to challenging for 2nd. Not just the suspension but definitely a big help.
 
DaleEO said:
I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.
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I'm excited, how long do I have to wait? Is this "something" aimed at the type of person who has no idea which way to turn his clickers or check the fork oil height? Or is it aimed at the type of person who runs 14 front and 38 rear sprockets in the tight trails?
Will it fit in the shipping box with my subframe tank, 2-tshirts, Swingarm Guard and Rear Disk Guard?
I just put my socks on cause it is 6 Degrees C (43F) here in Sydney. :lol:
This suspension thing doesn't by chance involve you playing with anymore XLPE plastic and molds does it? :wink:
 
Davo said:
DaleEO said:
I'm not going to go into any detail on that, as I am working on something for this site concerning suspension that will knock your socks off.
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I'm excited, how long do I have to wait? Is this "something" aimed at the type of person who has no idea which way to turn his clickers or check the fork oil height? Or is it aimed at the type of person who runs 14 front and 38 rear sprockets in the tight trails?
Will it fit in the shipping box with my subframe tank, 2-tshirts, Swingarm Guard and Rear Disk Guard?
I just put my socks on cause it is 6 Degrees C (43F) here in Sydney. :lol:
This suspension thing doesn't by chance involve you playing with anymore XLPE plastic and molds does it? :wink:
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Nothing to do with XLPE Davo, but here's a good place to start if you are confused about suspension stuff:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37
 
not ridden the newer WP CC forks but the Ohlins TTX cartridges are pure magic, got them sprung right and valved for my application, so nice and plush in the first part of the stroke but very firm in the rest of it to soak up big hits with 30L of fuel on board

for me I was very happy to hear CC will be on the 2011 FE's but yes I would get them sprung & re-valved by a guru and expect to have a big :D
 
LadyBerg said:
What does this mean if you are a lightweight 135 pounder gal and are considering a new Berg? I know I'll have to revalve and respring front & back but will it be more expensive with CC forks? Maybe I should stick with my 08 Berg that's I had set up by Factory Connection...but I'm craving the fuel injection and new motor!
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No, they shouldn't be more expensive top get worked on. They are easy to service and easy to work on. I have been doing the upkeep on my son's yz 125 w/ Kayaba CC forks (same basic design as the WP), and they are a breeze to service.

Open cartridge forks have been around mostly unchanged since the early 90's. It's time for a change, and the move to CC forks is a big positive step. I think they work better in all conditions and all riding situations, once set up correctly.
 
LadyBerg said:
What does this mean if you are a lightweight 135 pounder gal and are considering a new Berg? I know I'll have to revalve and respring front & back but will it be more expensive with CC forks? Maybe I should stick with my 08 Berg that's I had set up by Factory Connection...but I'm craving the fuel injection and new motor!
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Hey Colleen,
We have a local turner that is very good and reasonable. He works with Dylan on his.
Or, you could send then off again and the price should be about the same.....

If you THINK you want one, it is a good thing you did not ride Dylan's. You would be hooked! :evil:
 
Buyers beware the 2011 FE Husabergs they will have CC forks
I don't really want to trade my 2010 FE OC forks (they have been good to me) for the CC forks, BUT I WILL if you insist
2010 Forks will be serviced with new seals and oil, ready to replace those darn 2011 cc forks
I'm always trying to help the other guy :bounce3: :bounce3:
 
in order of consistency, worst to best

07, 08 oc

06 OC fork and 09 OC fork

TCs

TTX

TTX is king because the twin tube design eliminates cavitation, no matter how hard you push it or how many nasty bumps there are it will allways do the same thing. maybe not allways the best thing unless tuned right but it will allways do the same thing.

the TCs and TTXs can be set up to be as plush as a functioning OC fork. not everyone can do it and this is the origin of the "OC forks are plusher" rumour.

TTX is the way forward.

stock OC forks are junk, CC forks don't excite me that much. I can turn an OC fork into a TTX by adding backfill ports then they are better overall than a stock CC. with the CC your stuck with a conventional approach albeit with a bladder. the advantage of the baldder is you can control the progression through the stroke more easily.
 

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