STRDamper MSC Titan or Scott/Ohilns which is better
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Scotts, the adjustable high speed is the reason. Cafey18 took an MSC off his and fitted a Scotts after trying mine. Get one on line from brp or Scotts in the US cheaper than retailed here.
Steve
Steve
the scotts doesnt seem like it has as many settings...
Can you please elaborate some more on it..?
Can you please elaborate some more on it..?
The Scotts/Ohlins has variable sweep, ie the angular range over which it operates, adjustable low speed and adjustable high speed damping, which is more, and more useful than the others.
Steve
Steve
Öhlins is the producer of the Scotts-damper
Here´a link to owners/servicemanuals from Öhlins:
http://www.ohlins.com/Motorcycle/Produc ... fault.aspx
Here´a link to owners/servicemanuals from Öhlins:
http://www.ohlins.com/Motorcycle/Produc ... fault.aspx
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I use a MSC unit that I bought s/hand that was on a WR450. It is the best thing I have ever fitted to a dirt bike!! No more deflection and gives me heaps of confidence. Just recently I serviced it and changed the oil to a lower viscosity as I dont use the heavy damping. Its even better than before. I wish it did have zero damping back to centre like the newer models have but that would mean forking out more dollars? Its a pity you cant get a MOD for them?
I use a MSC unit that I bought s/hand that was on a WR450. It is the best thing I have ever fitted to a dirt bike!! No more deflection and gives me heaps of confidence. Just recently I serviced it and changed the oil to a lower viscosity as I dont use the heavy damping. Its even better than before. I wish it did have zero damping back to centre like the newer models have but that would mean forking out more dollars? Its a pity you cant get a MOD for them?
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The Scotts/Ohlins has variable sweep, ie the angular range over which it operates, adjustable low speed and adjustable high speed damping, which is more, and more useful than the others.
Sorry over my head...
Sorry over my head...
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look... rather over your head .... than over the bars .
definitely the way to go , so long as you suspension is as it should be
definitely the way to go , so long as you suspension is as it should be
Factor I hope this helps you.
The big advantage of the Scotts is definitely the separate high speed and low speed circuits. These circuits have nothing to do with how fast or slow you are riding, rather they initiate their action relative to the speed of the deflection of your steering.
So a big hit to the front off the side of a rock or tree root usually means a high speed deflection of your steering, hence the high speed circuit cuts in and dampens the deflection to hopefully keep you upright.
Minor deflections like getting caught in a rut or the like are handled by the low speed circuit and generally don't demand the same level of dampening to help keep you upright, so you can have the low speed circuit dialed down so you aren't fighting it in the single tail.
So you see you can have the best of both worlds ! Having the low speed dampening set so it helps you in the tight stuff but not to heavy to hinder or fatigue you, and having the high speed circuit there to catch you if you hit a hidden surprise. Awesome things I tell you.
I have the extra knob on the low speed circuit so you can adjust that on the fly, very handy in varying terrain or between road transport sections and the tight trails.
I had the MSC but it is very limited in varying terrain. It's still a very good thing but for the variable trail riding I do the Scotts was the best choice.
I left the swing settings at standard but increased the high speed dampening by half a turn. I run the low speed dampening at half a turn in from the easiest setting, which is great in the single track but increase the dampening to one or one and a half turns in for fast fire trails.
I have had my suspension done by Frank Pons with appropriate springs for my riding weight and set the suspension up for general trail riding.
The whole package works extremely well, and once you have had a ride on a bike that has been set up well you will be asking yourself "What the hell was I thinking !!! This should be done to your bike first up" You wont believe it is the same bike over rough terrain.
Believe me it is totally black and white. I was lucky to have a ride on Steve's bike at the 07 Force Ride at Louee and only then realised what a difference it makes.
So my advice is get your suspension done and set up properly first and then get a Scotts steering damper second. If you can afford to get the lot done at the same time then prepare yourself for a very pleasant surprise when you ride it. The suspension and the steering damper compliment each other, but a well sorted suspension is far better value first.
Get yourself to the suspension workshop at the 08 Force Ride, have Frank set up your suspension, fit your new Scotts steering damper and then have it all dialed in by one of Australia's best suspension gurus, then some fine tuning on the trail by another suspension tuning guru (Steve) and I guarantee you will come away shaking your head and with a huge smile on your dial !!!
Cheers
Garry.
The big advantage of the Scotts is definitely the separate high speed and low speed circuits. These circuits have nothing to do with how fast or slow you are riding, rather they initiate their action relative to the speed of the deflection of your steering.
So a big hit to the front off the side of a rock or tree root usually means a high speed deflection of your steering, hence the high speed circuit cuts in and dampens the deflection to hopefully keep you upright.
Minor deflections like getting caught in a rut or the like are handled by the low speed circuit and generally don't demand the same level of dampening to help keep you upright, so you can have the low speed circuit dialed down so you aren't fighting it in the single tail.
So you see you can have the best of both worlds ! Having the low speed dampening set so it helps you in the tight stuff but not to heavy to hinder or fatigue you, and having the high speed circuit there to catch you if you hit a hidden surprise. Awesome things I tell you.
I have the extra knob on the low speed circuit so you can adjust that on the fly, very handy in varying terrain or between road transport sections and the tight trails.
I had the MSC but it is very limited in varying terrain. It's still a very good thing but for the variable trail riding I do the Scotts was the best choice.
I left the swing settings at standard but increased the high speed dampening by half a turn. I run the low speed dampening at half a turn in from the easiest setting, which is great in the single track but increase the dampening to one or one and a half turns in for fast fire trails.
I have had my suspension done by Frank Pons with appropriate springs for my riding weight and set the suspension up for general trail riding.
The whole package works extremely well, and once you have had a ride on a bike that has been set up well you will be asking yourself "What the hell was I thinking !!! This should be done to your bike first up" You wont believe it is the same bike over rough terrain.
Believe me it is totally black and white. I was lucky to have a ride on Steve's bike at the 07 Force Ride at Louee and only then realised what a difference it makes.
So my advice is get your suspension done and set up properly first and then get a Scotts steering damper second. If you can afford to get the lot done at the same time then prepare yourself for a very pleasant surprise when you ride it. The suspension and the steering damper compliment each other, but a well sorted suspension is far better value first.
Get yourself to the suspension workshop at the 08 Force Ride, have Frank set up your suspension, fit your new Scotts steering damper and then have it all dialed in by one of Australia's best suspension gurus, then some fine tuning on the trail by another suspension tuning guru (Steve) and I guarantee you will come away shaking your head and with a huge smile on your dial !!!
Cheers
Garry.
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Not sure who the distributors are but when I bought mine this is where I found the best deal:
http://dirtriderimports.com/sales/index ... rers_id=28
http://dirtriderimports.com/sales/index ... rers_id=28
The official Australian Distributor for Scotts steering dampers is RaceTech/Shock Treatment in NSW, the so called business you mention is backyard guy and is back dooring the product into Australia and by passing taxes etc. Please support the proper importer as he is the one going out on a limb with stock and backup and doing the job right! I'm sure if you invested your bucks in a product and some on else back doored you, you wouldn't be to happy, so come on support the local distributor not some bloke in a shed!
Best Regards
SMCS
Best Regards
SMCS
Faktor,
If its the knob count you are concerned about then the new MSC has two, the old one one, and the scotts has always had four.
Whosaberg,
I have made purchases from both Scotts
http://www.scottsperformance.com/
and BRP
http://www.brpmoto.com/
Scotts payment is on line and worked fine and I had the stuff inside 8 days from making the order to my place in the bush. Payment for BRP was a CC over the phone, just got to line the time zones up and once again delivery was less than 2 weeks, and that was over the Christmas period last year.
Many local suppliers can't supply in that time frame.
With no problems and substantial saving over buying them here, ie $100s. The full kit for my 650 from BRP was I thnink, less than $600 landed here versus about $900 locally. BRP do the sub mount which was what i wanted for reasons discussed on another thread recently, ie raise the bars, protect the damper, and shorten the post.
They are great things, the ideal is that you don't notice them when riding, but every now and then you think that they made a difference when a deflection doesn't really happen.
And with due respect to Sutto, (and its great to have you here Chris!) I'll support the locals who have a shop front, and happily pay something for that, so that they can continue to be in business so that I can continue to get stuff from them, ie I'll support those that support me, but in the case of Scotts products, the premium over getting them in direct is hard to justify. It is now a global market.
Steve
If its the knob count you are concerned about then the new MSC has two, the old one one, and the scotts has always had four.
Whosaberg,
I have made purchases from both Scotts
http://www.scottsperformance.com/
and BRP
http://www.brpmoto.com/
Scotts payment is on line and worked fine and I had the stuff inside 8 days from making the order to my place in the bush. Payment for BRP was a CC over the phone, just got to line the time zones up and once again delivery was less than 2 weeks, and that was over the Christmas period last year.
Many local suppliers can't supply in that time frame.
With no problems and substantial saving over buying them here, ie $100s. The full kit for my 650 from BRP was I thnink, less than $600 landed here versus about $900 locally. BRP do the sub mount which was what i wanted for reasons discussed on another thread recently, ie raise the bars, protect the damper, and shorten the post.
They are great things, the ideal is that you don't notice them when riding, but every now and then you think that they made a difference when a deflection doesn't really happen.
And with due respect to Sutto, (and its great to have you here Chris!) I'll support the locals who have a shop front, and happily pay something for that, so that they can continue to be in business so that I can continue to get stuff from them, ie I'll support those that support me, but in the case of Scotts products, the premium over getting them in direct is hard to justify. It is now a global market.
Steve
Hi Steve,
The local price for a Scotts kit is not so bad now I believe? As customer of mine originally wanted a MSC and then changed his mind for the Scotts and the price was similar (if not just a little less). Please do try to support the guy with the shop front (where ever it may be) because rent, electricity, super, w/comp and wages don't appear out of thin air and it's these backyard joes that think there doing the world a favour when all they are doing is undermining the industry as they have no backup let alone a contact number. There's my 2 bob's worth.
Best Regards
Sutto
The local price for a Scotts kit is not so bad now I believe? As customer of mine originally wanted a MSC and then changed his mind for the Scotts and the price was similar (if not just a little less). Please do try to support the guy with the shop front (where ever it may be) because rent, electricity, super, w/comp and wages don't appear out of thin air and it's these backyard joes that think there doing the world a favour when all they are doing is undermining the industry as they have no backup let alone a contact number. There's my 2 bob's worth.
Best Regards
Sutto
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