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Overheating, what damage does it do?

Joined Dec 2007
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NSW, Australia
I have recently had the misfortune of loosing a lot of coolant and not knowing it, then continuing to ride for another 20 minutes. The bike became sluggish and a bit lacking in power, it coughed and spluttered a bit then stalled when I pulled over to check it out.

It would not restart until it cooled off a bit, I was then able to make the 5 minute trip home without any problems.

I checked all the fluids and found the radiator only had about 250ml of coolant. I have fixed up the coolant and taken the bike for a run, it is going well with no sign of problems.

Should I be worried?

Cheers,

Mal
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07 FE450
 
You don't mention how you "lost" the coolant. I would advise you to change the oil as overheating causes it to breakdown. Properly flushing the cooling system is also a must as any gunk in there may dislodgedand will be running through your system. Check that you haven't damaged any gaskets or hoses due to the excessive heat as well. I also wouldn't advise riding it home next time it happens, expecially as you were only 5 minutes away.
 
I have overheated my old 501.
as a result of the lost water the oil overheated too and blown out from the "modified" breather. (tube out from the frame)
Then nut from the crank shaft got loosen and then the gear wheel.
I heard the alarming noise and had to stop the race....

I think the temp was to high for the used locktite scew locking advice.
 
I changed the oil and it came out clean, no sign of any coolant in it. All hoses and seals look good with no apparent sign of damage.

How I lost my coolant; had some problems with some single track and a hill and lost a bit of coolant out the overflow when the bike was on the ground (a number of times). I was surprised how much coolant I lost but it was full when I started and only had 250ml when I drained the system.

Mal
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07 FE450
 
Bergs seem to be very resiliant to overheating. I have run a few very hot before and lost coolant without issues. There is a good chance you will be OK. I have seen a few break off water pump nipples and still make it back to the truck alright as long as they are not pushed too hard.
This is where running a good quality oil is a plus.
 
Mal99 said:
I changed the oil and it came out clean, no sign of any coolant in it. All hoses and seals look good with no apparent sign of damage.

How I lost my coolant; had some problems with some single track and a hill and lost a bit of coolant out the overflow when the bike was on the ground (a number of times). I was surprised how much coolant I lost but it was full when I started and only had 250ml when I drained the system.

Mal
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07 FE450

HI Mal,

I'm not sure how much the cooling system actually holds but I'm guessing it to be around 1250-1500 ml's based on how much was left in a half gallon bottle when I was done filing the radiator.

So a question would be what size container did you fill the system from, and about how much was left over?

Having the bike come to a stop because it over heated so bad is not a good thing. However, there have been stories of this happening and rider and bike living happily ever after.

And I agree with the TheSav, if you didn't do it when you drained the cooling system, it would be a good idea to flush the system thoroughly, and replenish with a high quality coolant.

If this happened to me, and I had lost I'm guessing 1000ml's of coolant, and my bike over heated so bad it stopped, this is what I would be checking and on the look out for:

While the bike is running, and with the radiator cap off, (take it off before it gets hot), have a good look down inside the radiator, and slowly increase the rpm's of the bike to a moderate level, say around 2000 to 3000 rpm's. You should see the level of the coolant go down and you should see the coolant flowing in from the left. When you let the motor go back to idle you will see the fluid level come back up again. This will verify that you still have good flow through the cooling system, and one could reasonably ASSUME that the impeller was not damaged. By the way, was any coolant coming out of the weep hole?

#2. On your next outing, keep an eye out for the coolant coming out of the overflow tube, be sure and stop when you check this so you don't have a shunt. You might have a little bit come out as the bike comes up to normal operating temps, especially if you put in a bit too much, which is easy to do. ( The coolant level is supposed to be about 10mm above the radiator tubes.) This will be caused by the fluid expanding, and without the proper air gap between the fluid and the cap, the fluid will push it's way out and seek the proper level.

However, if your radiator cap has, or is going bad it will start leaking coolant out at much lower temps. If all this is checking out good, and no coolant is observed leaking from the over flow tube, after your ride, or on the trail when bike has cooled down enough, check the coolant level on a level surface. If the coolant level is good then things are looking up.

However, if coolant is magically disappearing then you have A) got a leaks somewhere, or B) damaged the head or head gasket on your over heat and your are losing fluid through the exhaust. You will probably notice this as the exhaust will smell funny or you will see some vapor.

Also, keep an eye out for oil consumption. You might want to measure how much you're putting in, and how much is coming out. Depending on the type of riding you do, you might normally have some oil consumption, but, not a lot.

Judging from your description of how it's running, the prognosis is good so far. I would just keep watch over those things I've mentioned for a while. On your next ride you might want to try and pay a bit more attention as to whether or not the bike is boiling over so you can stop and let it cool off and add some water to tide you over. If you do a lot of this kind of riding you might want to invest in the optional cooling fan.

Hope this helps,

Dale
 
Hint....when you refill the coolant, make sure you use the bleeder screw on the head to remove all the air from the system. If you bypass this step it will always run hot and you will be scratching your head trying to figure out why.
I also recommend installing the factory fan kit, they work great.
 
berger said:
Hint....when you refill the coolant, make sure you use the bleeder screw on the head to remove all the air from the system. If you bypass this step it will always run hot and you will be scratching your head trying to fogure out why.
I also recommend installing the factory fan kit, they work great.

Great Point Berger! I forgot to mention the bleed screw, a definite necessity! It's amazing how much air comes out of that bleed screw. In fact, it's a good once and a while maintenance item.
 
DaleEO said:
berger said:
Hint....when you refill the coolant, make sure you use the bleeder screw on the head to remove all the air from the system. If you bypass this step it will always run hot and you will be scratching your head trying to fogure out why.
I also recommend installing the factory fan kit, they work great.

Great Point Berger! I forgot to mention the bleed screw, a definite necessity! It's amazing how much air comes out of that bleed screw. In fact, it's a good once and a while maintenance item.

Where is the bleed screw positioned?
 
you will find it on the right side of the cylinder head , in front of the plug cap , below the decomp cable .
 
definately run through the bleed proceedure a couple of times after doing anything with your cooling system, I do it twice at least, you will be amazed at how much air can get caught up inside the cooling galleries and head, and it only takes a few minutes to bleed, take a quick ride on some rough-is ground then lean the bike over and bleed again.

locked air can get hotter than the water / coolant - used to be a common reason for the eary alloy head ford 6cy engines to warp / deform the head casting and cause 'gasket leaks' - prolly not a prob with the Bergs as the main head studs are much closer together and probably a much heavier casting overall I imagine.

Azza.
 
ElSnorro said:
how can I get the air out of my cooling system on a '03 then?

Refer to video clip #3 in the download section.

After filling the radiator put the cap on and lay the bike on it's right side for about 30 seconds. Stand the bike back up and check the level again. Repeat as necessary.
 
there is a little grub screw between the exhaust ports and an inch above. bleed here.

regards

Taffy
 
hmmmmmm just reading this post, this is the first i have heard of a bleed screw. is there one on the pre 2000 models? i haven't had her overheat yet, but it sounds like something to add to my maintenance schedule.
 
Hi All,

Thanks for all the really good feedback, I will keep a close eye on the coolant and make sure I bleed it correctly. The 07 manual is really good and it emphasizes the importance of the bleeding the cooling system.

I will also check out the things DaleEO suggested.

In looking into this I found another good thread on this site which discusses oil level and its impact on overheating, I will also try that.

Again thanks for your assistance,

Mal
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07 FE450
 

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