After checking the pilot jet circuit, recheck valve clearances at least to the extent that you can ascertain there is at least some discernable rocker play for each valve. When performing the 1/8 turn (should really be 1/6 turn) method, it is very easy arrive at zero clearance if you are not real careful.
Joined Jun 2003
223 Posts | 3+
Vacaville, CA USA
Big Bob,
I'm reading your post here and did not read anything giving a reason why for the carb adjustment. Was your bike running crappy at 4000'? As mentioned in an earlier post, get yourself one of those angeled feeler gauges, locate, read and print the valve adjustment How-To. It may take you a while to do it the first time but it gets easier each time you do it.
I agree with Taffy, it sounds like a pilot jet problem. Altitude is part of it, but so is the temperature. When I got my Berg I ended up having to go up 2 jet sizes on the pilot jet to make the beast run like it should.
Hey Taffy,
Thanks for remembering the "ossaman" but I do not work as a mechanic for Dan. I did however, print the Husaberg shirts that Dan is selling.
Big Bob,
If you would like some help with your bike, I would be happy to help you after I return from Las Vegas next week. Send me a PM.
Happy New Year Everyone,
Mike
I'm reading your post here and did not read anything giving a reason why for the carb adjustment. Was your bike running crappy at 4000'? As mentioned in an earlier post, get yourself one of those angeled feeler gauges, locate, read and print the valve adjustment How-To. It may take you a while to do it the first time but it gets easier each time you do it.
I agree with Taffy, it sounds like a pilot jet problem. Altitude is part of it, but so is the temperature. When I got my Berg I ended up having to go up 2 jet sizes on the pilot jet to make the beast run like it should.
Hey Taffy,
Thanks for remembering the "ossaman" but I do not work as a mechanic for Dan. I did however, print the Husaberg shirts that Dan is selling.
Big Bob,
If you would like some help with your bike, I would be happy to help you after I return from Las Vegas next week. Send me a PM.
Happy New Year Everyone,
Mike
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Re:Enough!
First:
Contrary to what "The BOSS" is propagating the new Husabergs run "Just OK" @ best.
Second:
Your jetting may still not be perfect, however, if it started and idled before mechanical adjustments, I would suspect a mechanical adjustment error.
Third:
Main jet and metering rod clip position have nothing to do with starting and / or idling.
Dan:
Smells Rich?
Give me a break. :roll:
Rick Bozarth:
Want me to prove you wrong regarding "as delivered" fuel delivery? Anyplace, anytime, loser picks up the expenses.
Big Bob:
Suck it up and quit whining.
If you want me to set your bike up, clean it and make arrangements to drop it off. You will be charged accordingly just like everyone else. Should my original specifications for the carburetor prove to be off by more than a mark or two, I will give you a complete refund.
Here is my number:
510 223-9052
Suggestion:
When one decides to involve me I strongly urge them to be knowlegeable regarding the issue at hand.
First:
Contrary to what "The BOSS" is propagating the new Husabergs run "Just OK" @ best.
Second:
Your jetting may still not be perfect, however, if it started and idled before mechanical adjustments, I would suspect a mechanical adjustment error.
Third:
Main jet and metering rod clip position have nothing to do with starting and / or idling.
Dan:
Smells Rich?
Give me a break. :roll:
Rick Bozarth:
Want me to prove you wrong regarding "as delivered" fuel delivery? Anyplace, anytime, loser picks up the expenses.
Big Bob:
Suck it up and quit whining.
If you want me to set your bike up, clean it and make arrangements to drop it off. You will be charged accordingly just like everyone else. Should my original specifications for the carburetor prove to be off by more than a mark or two, I will give you a complete refund.
Here is my number:
510 223-9052
Suggestion:
When one decides to involve me I strongly urge them to be knowlegeable regarding the issue at hand.
Bob,
Let me introduce myself, my name is Rocky, I've ridden for over 35 years, and have had the pleasure/pain of owning dozens of bikes and worked with dozens of "mechanics" some great, some who just thought they were. Some things that I've learned (the hard way) are;
1) No one "knows" your bike like you do, no one will ride it the same way, or look for the same "feel". Learn how to work on it yourself.
2) Recognize when your getting in over your head (ONLY MAKE ONE CHANGE AT A TIME!) Always record your changes and what effect they had. Establish a "base line" that you can go back to if things go south.
3) If you are faced with something beyond your capabilities, seek out EXPERT advice, and be ready to pay for it! Nothing turns off people who are professional and do this work for a living (like feeding their family) than someone who wants "free advice" or discounted repair work done. It may only take someone 5 minutes on the phone to bail you out, but it took 30 years of experience for them to be able to do that! RESPECT THEIR TIME!
4) Don't have more than one TRUE mechanic working on your bike at the same time (ie Taffy and Dale sometimes use 2 vastly different methods to achieve the same goal, they may not always agree with the others methodology, but they achieve the same end result and they respect each others work. Tuners take great pride in their work and live and die professionally by the reputation they achieve thru word of mouth from satisfied clients. If your tuner hasn't quite gotten it right, let HIM know (privately) and let them get it right, instead of bouncing around to others, you will use other methods, and in the end may only make things worse. I only know of Taffy thru his (sterling) reputation on this board, I know Dale thru YEARS of friendship both personal and professional. I can say with confidence that Dale has forgotten more than most "mechanics" could ever hope to learn. His professional acomplishments speak for themselves (check them out...) My advice is if you haven't already alienated yourself beyond repair with him (seeing as he's qualified, local for you, and most important developed the friggin' carb mods you have already installed...) is to call him, arrange to drop your bike off and be prepared to spend whatever it takes to make it "right". I guarantee IF he agrees to do the work it will be fixed. And IF he does, you should post the results so others may learn from your mistakes.
Thanks for bearing with me thru my long winded sermon, but you are the owner of a fantastic piece of engineering, it's a crime not to tune it to it's true potential.
Good Luck My Friend,
-Rocky-
Let me introduce myself, my name is Rocky, I've ridden for over 35 years, and have had the pleasure/pain of owning dozens of bikes and worked with dozens of "mechanics" some great, some who just thought they were. Some things that I've learned (the hard way) are;
1) No one "knows" your bike like you do, no one will ride it the same way, or look for the same "feel". Learn how to work on it yourself.
2) Recognize when your getting in over your head (ONLY MAKE ONE CHANGE AT A TIME!) Always record your changes and what effect they had. Establish a "base line" that you can go back to if things go south.
3) If you are faced with something beyond your capabilities, seek out EXPERT advice, and be ready to pay for it! Nothing turns off people who are professional and do this work for a living (like feeding their family) than someone who wants "free advice" or discounted repair work done. It may only take someone 5 minutes on the phone to bail you out, but it took 30 years of experience for them to be able to do that! RESPECT THEIR TIME!
4) Don't have more than one TRUE mechanic working on your bike at the same time (ie Taffy and Dale sometimes use 2 vastly different methods to achieve the same goal, they may not always agree with the others methodology, but they achieve the same end result and they respect each others work. Tuners take great pride in their work and live and die professionally by the reputation they achieve thru word of mouth from satisfied clients. If your tuner hasn't quite gotten it right, let HIM know (privately) and let them get it right, instead of bouncing around to others, you will use other methods, and in the end may only make things worse. I only know of Taffy thru his (sterling) reputation on this board, I know Dale thru YEARS of friendship both personal and professional. I can say with confidence that Dale has forgotten more than most "mechanics" could ever hope to learn. His professional acomplishments speak for themselves (check them out...) My advice is if you haven't already alienated yourself beyond repair with him (seeing as he's qualified, local for you, and most important developed the friggin' carb mods you have already installed...) is to call him, arrange to drop your bike off and be prepared to spend whatever it takes to make it "right". I guarantee IF he agrees to do the work it will be fixed. And IF he does, you should post the results so others may learn from your mistakes.
Thanks for bearing with me thru my long winded sermon, but you are the owner of a fantastic piece of engineering, it's a crime not to tune it to it's true potential.
Good Luck My Friend,
-Rocky-
I recognize these symptoms... Akmans Razor
...turn off your choke and push in the hot start knob... :roll:
...turn off your choke and push in the hot start knob... :roll:
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Re: Easy!
I do take personal offense to the "head shot" (ie Red Mist). 8O
In any event consider the following:
Bob:
Turn the fuel taps to reserve, remove the carburetor float bowl plug and drain fuel from the tank bottom. Wet weather and / or washing the bike is near certain to collect water and yield poor performance.
Rick Bozarth:
I am sincere in my challenge.
Anyplace, anytime, any conditions, loser picks up the tab.
I suggest we use a mid level rider with back to back testing of OEM jetting and my kit. The rider will not know which he is testing @ the time. Simply test A and Test B. We shall throw in a couple of "off the wall" settings just to make it interesting.
I do indeed enjoy a good challenge and this has the makings of great fun.
Kind Regards,
Dale
510 223-9052
I do take personal offense to the "head shot" (ie Red Mist). 8O
In any event consider the following:
Bob:
Turn the fuel taps to reserve, remove the carburetor float bowl plug and drain fuel from the tank bottom. Wet weather and / or washing the bike is near certain to collect water and yield poor performance.
Rick Bozarth:
I am sincere in my challenge.
Anyplace, anytime, any conditions, loser picks up the tab.
I suggest we use a mid level rider with back to back testing of OEM jetting and my kit. The rider will not know which he is testing @ the time. Simply test A and Test B. We shall throw in a couple of "off the wall" settings just to make it interesting.
I do indeed enjoy a good challenge and this has the makings of great fun.
Kind Regards,
Dale
510 223-9052
Man this is sounding like TT. Don't bring that crap here...
Ask for help, don't accuse people of screwing you. All anybody ever does on this sight is try to help the other husaberg owner. Be careful on the advice you take (hell it may come from me and that would get you in trouble :lol: ) but if you take advice, blame yourself not the person who gave it to you. they were trying to help. Hired a professional? Not happy? solve it professionally, in private. Not by bashing them here.
WE NEED THE PROS TO BE WILLING TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR ADVICE ON THIS SITE! They have saved many of us countless times FOR FREE!
The information to get your bike running right is all here somewhere, I found it, I asked a lot of what seemed to be very silly questions, I learned a lot, I have a lot to learn. I have been successful at some things and not so successful at others.
I spent HOURS leaning to adjust my valves right, using both methods. I have run the whole gamut of doing it wrong, I have tried my hand at jetting, have never really been successful, I will try my hand again on the kehien (hopefully it will be easier than the Delortto).
In the end, can't we all just get along?
Ask for help, don't accuse people of screwing you. All anybody ever does on this sight is try to help the other husaberg owner. Be careful on the advice you take (hell it may come from me and that would get you in trouble :lol: ) but if you take advice, blame yourself not the person who gave it to you. they were trying to help. Hired a professional? Not happy? solve it professionally, in private. Not by bashing them here.
WE NEED THE PROS TO BE WILLING TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR ADVICE ON THIS SITE! They have saved many of us countless times FOR FREE!
The information to get your bike running right is all here somewhere, I found it, I asked a lot of what seemed to be very silly questions, I learned a lot, I have a lot to learn. I have been successful at some things and not so successful at others.
I spent HOURS leaning to adjust my valves right, using both methods. I have run the whole gamut of doing it wrong, I have tried my hand at jetting, have never really been successful, I will try my hand again on the kehien (hopefully it will be easier than the Delortto).
In the end, can't we all just get along?
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
bigbob said:
I take it I am the "Jetting Guru" and as such I shall respond.
For the record:
I have never seen nor heard your motorcycle.
I simply sold you a jet kit and have patiently attempted to verbally assist you with fine tuning for your particular application.
Word to the wise:
Should one wish to engage in a technical topic it is well advised they know and understand the basics for that they wish to discuss.
Dale
Joined May 2005
78 Posts | 0+
north island new zealand
working on farm bikes you know the simptoms of tight tappets they are 1 no idle 2 uneven idle up and down some times it will idle then you turn the throttle and the idle goes then comes back 3 no compression so it wont start
start at the begining of any tune up get the copression side of it right .THE valve clearence 1/8 of a turns fine if you start at the no load,just touching the valve postion but just to make sure you should check with feeler gauge at least the first setting of the day you must be 100% sure
now is the carb clean and float set and make sure theres no filter oil dripping into the back of the carb.
then put in a new plug, properly set ,maybe your old one isnt old but how much rich mixture has it had to contend with?
start motor set idle it dosnt matter if the engine is warmed up ,choke off just get it running by the time you have managed to set the mixture screw it wont be cold any more anyway
take it for a ride you are only setting the idle still, get it to temp and fine tune fuel scew. Dont worry how many turns it ends up at idle shoul be even , but once the throttle is shut of engine should loose revs quickly back to the idle you want if it dosnt fuel srew needs to be out a little more
now the idle is hopefully ok and bike starts count the turns the screw is out any more than four and either the float height has been cocked up or you need a bigger pilot jet any less than one to half go smaller . I hope all this testing is taking place at 4000 feet or pretty close or your wasting your time now start on the rest of the carb settings .
After 26 years of working on crap farm bikes to bmw and ducatis and every other jap road bike and now have to contend with chineses rubbish you no not to beleive anything a customer tells you and to check it for your self same could be said of some mechanics and any problems start at the begining and if its running ok leave it aloan but do check the tappets and change the oil and service the filters
start at the begining of any tune up get the copression side of it right .THE valve clearence 1/8 of a turns fine if you start at the no load,just touching the valve postion but just to make sure you should check with feeler gauge at least the first setting of the day you must be 100% sure
now is the carb clean and float set and make sure theres no filter oil dripping into the back of the carb.
then put in a new plug, properly set ,maybe your old one isnt old but how much rich mixture has it had to contend with?
start motor set idle it dosnt matter if the engine is warmed up ,choke off just get it running by the time you have managed to set the mixture screw it wont be cold any more anyway
take it for a ride you are only setting the idle still, get it to temp and fine tune fuel scew. Dont worry how many turns it ends up at idle shoul be even , but once the throttle is shut of engine should loose revs quickly back to the idle you want if it dosnt fuel srew needs to be out a little more
now the idle is hopefully ok and bike starts count the turns the screw is out any more than four and either the float height has been cocked up or you need a bigger pilot jet any less than one to half go smaller . I hope all this testing is taking place at 4000 feet or pretty close or your wasting your time now start on the rest of the carb settings .
After 26 years of working on crap farm bikes to bmw and ducatis and every other jap road bike and now have to contend with chineses rubbish you no not to beleive anything a customer tells you and to check it for your self same could be said of some mechanics and any problems start at the begining and if its running ok leave it aloan but do check the tappets and change the oil and service the filters
risky1 said:Man this is sounding like TT. Don't bring that crap here...
Amen brother!
Ask for help, don't accuse people of screwing you. All anybody ever does on this sight is try to help the other husaberg owner. Be careful on the advice you take (hell it may come from me and that would get you in trouble :lol: ) but if you take advice, blame yourself not the person who gave it to you. they were trying to help. Hired a professional? Not happy? solve it professionally, in private. Not by bashing them here.
This site has allowed me to get confortable in tackeling jobs on my bike when I would not have done it on my own otherwise. I owe many thanks to several people on this site for the time they have taken to help me, Thanks & Thank you all. We are all grown-ups and the risk lays on each one of us in the end.
WE NEED THE PROS TO BE WILLING TO CONTINUE WITH THEIR ADVICE ON THIS SITE! They have saved many of us countless times FOR FREE!
Without the truly dedicated motorcycle enthusiasts like Dale, Taff, nsman, Carl, Berger, and so many others that share their stories and experiences, knowledge and skills, this is just another website.... Not to mention a A#1 admin that is a humble and professional. This site has a something different that all the other sites.... MEN not boys, act like it!
The information to get your bike running right is all here somewhere, I found it, I asked a lot of what seemed to be very silly questions, I learned a lot, I have a lot to learn. I have been successful at some things and not so successful at others.
This is true, I spoke to schwim about this a few months back, there is not one bolt, nut, or screw that has not been talked about in great detail... sometimes too many times, and from 10 different perspectives!
I spent HOURS leaning to adjust my valves right, using both methods. I have run the whole gamut of doing it wrong, I have tried my hand at jetting, have never really been successful, I will try my hand again on the kehien (hopefully it will be easier than the Delortto).
Good Luck, all I ever seem to read about these carberator rejetting, tinkering, experimenting, what ever you prefer to call it, is what a headache it is. No thanks.... It takes a certain individual to do what some of these men do with their bikes, I have not gotten that far into the hobbie and have not got the passion like some of you guys. If I tried making a living tuning bikes I would be poor :lol: .
In the end, can't we all just get along?
Sounds like tight valves to me, i know nothing compared to others that have posted here but when mine are tight it'll start fine from cold but when the valves heat up and get a wee bit longer the clearance closes up causing rough running. just fancied getting involved in the www punch up! Jared
Joined Oct 2005
201 Posts | 0+
Kansas City, Missouri
Good Grief, you don"t watch the site for a week and then you see this; a full-blown war. sandskipper , among others, is right; if you make a change and it doesn't work out, immediately change it back and verify the original condition. If you go back and can't duplicate the original condition, you know you screwed something up. I diagnose late model cars all day long and take screwups from other mechanics and straighten them out. Usually, I find that parts have been improperly installed and a new problem exists. I also find that the first mechanic never tells me the whole story as to what he did or how the car ran before he worked on it. He blames the parts, the manufacturer, the weather, or the customer. If the berg in question was running right with the LV jetting kit but ran like crap with the new valve settings, then the valve adjustment is the problem! Period! One more tip; a spark plug that is twenty minutes old is not a new spark plug. Practice jetting on a Z-50 honda before you try it for real and risk damaging a 7000$ motorcycle. :evil:
doctorcorey,
I also have been doing trouble shooting, partition testing, and SPC analysis for many years now and deal with problems like this all the time....except semiconductor related. I will have to flag people with Shewhart rules whenever this type of nonsense occurs in the future! I have a pretty neat OCAP (Out of Control Action Plan) that I am tinkering with for the electrical system but as it sounds, one is needed for the fuel delivery system also. Adjusting to many variables in a situation will have you running in circles and chasing your arse, that is why I have been saying to think things out clearly and stick to a plan. Make one adjustment at a time and document your results. If you find things going FUBAR, resort back to the original settings, or to a known good point, and rethink a different approach. Keep testing until you get the results you are looking for and then fine tune.
BB,
You were moving the clips on the needle and buzzing this way and that way down the street and said you were noticing difference in the way the bike performed :-k . Im not calling anyone :^o but as several others have mentioned, adjusting the needle only impacts (1/4 - Full) throttle in your fuel delivery. From (closed - 1/4) throttle will be adjusted by way of the idle circuit through the pilot jet and idle screw. One quick way to discover what the problem is, is to put your original jetting as delivered from Motoxotica (The Jedi lightsaber jetting) back in the bike and ride for 30min. If this fixes the problem, than DON'T TOUCH THE VALVES AGAIN UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING! At this point you will know that the fuel delivery was the problem and we can sort this issue from there. If the problem persists, put all of Dales jets back into the carburetor and trouble shoot the valve lash or possible pencil stuck in the head , (had to throw this in for fun). Quit guessing as to which problem you have and find out for sure by doing what I recommend and then we will rule out one of the two areas.
Regards,
I also have been doing trouble shooting, partition testing, and SPC analysis for many years now and deal with problems like this all the time....except semiconductor related. I will have to flag people with Shewhart rules whenever this type of nonsense occurs in the future! I have a pretty neat OCAP (Out of Control Action Plan) that I am tinkering with for the electrical system but as it sounds, one is needed for the fuel delivery system also. Adjusting to many variables in a situation will have you running in circles and chasing your arse, that is why I have been saying to think things out clearly and stick to a plan. Make one adjustment at a time and document your results. If you find things going FUBAR, resort back to the original settings, or to a known good point, and rethink a different approach. Keep testing until you get the results you are looking for and then fine tune.
BB,
You were moving the clips on the needle and buzzing this way and that way down the street and said you were noticing difference in the way the bike performed :-k . Im not calling anyone :^o but as several others have mentioned, adjusting the needle only impacts (1/4 - Full) throttle in your fuel delivery. From (closed - 1/4) throttle will be adjusted by way of the idle circuit through the pilot jet and idle screw. One quick way to discover what the problem is, is to put your original jetting as delivered from Motoxotica (The Jedi lightsaber jetting) back in the bike and ride for 30min. If this fixes the problem, than DON'T TOUCH THE VALVES AGAIN UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING! At this point you will know that the fuel delivery was the problem and we can sort this issue from there. If the problem persists, put all of Dales jets back into the carburetor and trouble shoot the valve lash or possible pencil stuck in the head
, (had to throw this in for fun). Quit guessing as to which problem you have and find out for sure by doing what I recommend and then we will rule out one of the two areas.Regards,
Joined Dec 2002
759 Posts | 0+
western NC
I agree if you try to do to many things at one time all you do is muddy the water. Cool off you can`t solve a problem when your fuzzed up. Do things one thing at a time and you will isolate the problem then you can solve it. Heaven knows I have painted myself in to more than a few corners myself Read up on it. These bikes are not hard to work on and I learned by watching and then doing. Always do one thing at a time that is the main thing. I read a lot of good advice here so... Good luck.
Read up on it. These bikes are not hard to work on and I learned by watching and then doing. Always do one thing at a time that is the main thing. I read a lot of good advice here so... Good luck.
Joined Feb 2003
3K Posts | 384+
Escondido, Ca. USA
Hey Bigbob:
Consider yourself very lucky. Very lucky indeed. All you have to do is drop your bike off at Dales, pony up a few dollars ( you can't take it with you) and Dale will remedy the problem and fine tune your jetting. Most of us on this site should be so lucky to have a Guru like Dale at their disposal.
I really think that Dale should move his operation from Northern to Southern California anyway . 80 degrees in my back yard today!
Not bad for January. Whatdaya say Dale? San Diego would be a great place to eventually retire to Close to Del Mar too!
Consider yourself very lucky. Very lucky indeed. All you have to do is drop your bike off at Dales, pony up a few dollars ( you can't take it with you) and Dale will remedy the problem and fine tune your jetting. Most of us on this site should be so lucky to have a Guru like Dale at their disposal.
I really think that Dale should move his operation from Northern to Southern California anyway
. 80 degrees in my back yard today!Not bad for January. Whatdaya say Dale? San Diego would be a great place to eventually retire to
Close to Del Mar too!
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Re: Review
Pre valve adjustment BB report in review:
"bike ran well all day. 55 miles of great trail riding. YES the bike is more lively and "brighter" . Dale's mod is an enjoyable jetting mix for sure. The good news is I can feel the Lineaweaver magic force at work in my bike"
Dale :?
Pre valve adjustment BB report in review:
"bike ran well all day. 55 miles of great trail riding. YES the bike is more lively and "brighter" . Dale's mod is an enjoyable jetting mix for sure. The good news is I can feel the Lineaweaver magic force at work in my bike"
Dale :?
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
husabutt said:Hey Bigbob:
Consider yourself very lucky. Very lucky indeed. All you have to do is drop your bike off at Dales, pony up a few dollars ( you can't take it with you) and Dale will remedy the problem and fine tune your jetting. Most of us on this site should be so lucky to have a Guru like Dale at their disposal.
I really think that Dale should move his operation from Northern to Southern California anyway
Not bad for January. Whatdaya say Dale? San Diego would be a great place to eventually retire to
Thank you for the kind words.
My youngest graduates in 2007. Relocation to follow shortly thereafter.
I spent part of my summer here: http://www.suzukiflattrack.com/
Perhaps Jefferson City will eventually become my new home. 8O
Best Regards,
Dale
Joined Jul 2001
3K Posts | 1+
El Sobrante, Ca. 94803
Joined Feb 2003
3K Posts | 384+
Escondido, Ca. USA
I would think that Montana may be a bit quiet for you
Plenty of Harleys (and some Bergs) that need tuning down here.
As you get older one usually wants to migrate to warmer not colder climates. Be sure to talk this over with your wife before you make a hasty decision
Plenty of Harleys (and some Bergs) that need tuning down here.
As you get older one usually wants to migrate to warmer not colder climates. Be sure to talk this over with your wife before you make a hasty decision
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