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LHRB in stock Magura clutch master

Joined Oct 2007
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Puyallup, WA
I'm looking at making the switch to LHRB. Last night I found that some of you have had luck with using the stock Magura clutch master. After extended use, have you had any problems with seals due to switching from mineral oil to brake fluid? What's the best way to flush out the old mineral oil? How about brake sensitivity due to the smaller master? I'm pretty excited as it should be such a simple swap and save a good chunk of money in the process! :D
 
The clutch master cyl. will work fine as is just flush out with brake fluid. The only thing is they don't hold much fluid so you need to check it often as the brake pads wear.
You can get a hose made up at Timco on Port of Tacoma road. They have stainless braided line with a translucent blue covering that looks nice.
Are you going to eliminate the rear brake pedal?
 
I was thinking about doing that, although I read Chas's post saying that retaining the foot pedal is nice for areas like long downhills where his hand would get tired. Other than that, it would be nice to get rid of it. I've bent enough pedals in lowsides that it's fine to lose it in my book.

I know exactly where Timco is. I work on POT road too. Are you local to the South Sound?
 
My LHRB setup cost less than $10. I simply connected the original clutch line directly to the rear brake hose with an inexpensive coupler/manifold. I picked up the 'coupler' at a local motorcycle salvage yard. These couplers have been widely used on Japanese streetbikes for the original purpose of connecting the single front brake line from the master cylinder to the dual front brake calipers. This does of course eliminate the rear foot brake. The stock mineral oil clutch master cylinder has thus far worked perfectly and held up for over two years of use. On the initial installation, I very quickly flushed out the mineral oil with aerosol brake cleaner, followed by several flushes with brake fluid, then reverse bleeding the whole system.
 
i just reverse bled with the mineral oil and as it came up i wiped the resevior out with paper towel. the m/c is almost too powerful so no problems on that front.

i would lose the footbrake. you can get engine braking on a downhill by blipping the throttle ina low gear and the high revs will lock the rear wheel to the crank all the way to the bottom.

there is only one disadvantage IMHO and that is that the front wheel can't be popped up with a little help from the clutch. no problem on the 500+ bikes but a bugger on my little 400...

regards

Taffy
 
So I finally got around to doing this. I tried reverse-bleeding the line with no luck. I just have a mushy lever. I reverse-bled the front at the same time due to putting the old pressure switch from the rear master cylinder into the front master cylinder. I had no problems bleeding the front. I'm thinking I may have a bad piston as the reservoir was dry and I have no way of knowing whether it had previously been working. Can anyone give me any other ideas before I drop another $40 on a piston kit? My wife will be thrilled... I just spent $450 on the counterbalancer upgrade too. :(
 
oh dear!

if you have half a lever then i suggest that you leave the bike leaning to the right on right lock overnight with the LHRB pulled on and taped to the bar. next morning release the tape and see what you have. then for a day do the same on the rear - lever in, tape it up, next day undo the bleed nipple at the rear and see hwat comes out. you can even do it a third was and that is lever in, tape it up overnight, next day undo either nipple or undo tape but this time pull the pad near the piston back and again let it squirt out.

if you are on lock you will have very little oil in the m/c so you really must keep an eye on it. trust you're on mineral oil?

regards

Taffy
 
Hi Pro,
Having worked with Rekluse products for the past 3yrs or so, when doing this conversion please use Silicone brake fluid! Not Mineral fluid, Not brake (dot3/4) fluid. The reason is the rubbers in the MC are not compatible with Dot3/4 and the caliper is not compatible with mineral fluid nor is it able to handle the temperature associated with brakes. I hope this is a help and saves you having to part with more bucks for rubbers etc.
Regards SMCS
 
SMCS

quite right i completely forgot that it is a brake you're bleeding!

becausereputation had it that DOT fluid might not like following the mineral oil i sent to i think???: DOT 5 fully synthetic brake fluid. trust you can clear this up.

regards

Taffy
 
Dot 5 is the go! sometimes hard to find and do not use 5.1 as this is not right either.
Regards
SMCS
 
I am using either DOT 4 or 5.1 (as are many others) not 5.0 with no problems in the original mineral oil master cylinder. To properly reverse bleed, you might try removing the master cylinder from the handlbar and hold it up above the bars while reverse bleeding.
 
I got it to tighten up, but I don't know if it's going to work. First, I disassembled the master, cleaned everything, and reassembled. All the internals looked to be in good shape. Next, I tried reverse bleeding again but this time I noticed that there was a good amount of fluid under the caliper. I took the line off and checked the banjo fitting.

When I first assembled it I noticed that the banjo bolt didn't want to go in easy but it did tighten up. The line was made at a local hydraulic outfit. The first time I tried to put it on I found the banjo fitting was at a 30 degree angle rather than the 45 needed to lay the line on top of the swingarm, so I took it back. I always thought that the banjo fittings were pre-made at angles but at this place they had some sort of mandrel bender on their machine that bent the banjo a little farther. As I was checking it tonight I noticed that the reason the bolt was tight was because the circular fitting had been buggered up very slightly during the bending, probably just enough to leak.

I swapped lines with another line I had made at the same place but 6" longer (to accomodate bar risers). This one worked with the banjo, but I still couldn't get it tight with reverse bleeding. I put the Mityvac on it and started sucking away with lever in. I tried this a couple of times but still no luck. Last, I cranked the vaccuum pump as much as I could and watched the bubbles still go with the bleeder closed. When I checked it again it was tight. :? I don't know if there is still a leak but I'm going to let it sit overnight and see what happens. Frustrating to say the least.

Incidentally, I'm using DOT 4 fluid. I've heard no problems with using it, but if in fact I do have seal problems then I guess I'll have to rebuild and go with DOT 5. The front Brembo unit called for DOT 4, so I figured I would do the same on the rear.
 
How about pulling off the rear wheel, collapse the caliper all the way, slide the caliper and bracket off the swing arm to try to hang it as vertical as possible and then push the fluid in from the bottom up. Same with the hose up by the master cylinder.
 
I am using either DOT 4 or 5.1 (as are many others) not 5.0 with no problems in the original mineral oil master cylinder.

Well, I once didn´t look carefully on the writing on the master cylinder (was a Ktm 520 back in 2001);
used DOT4 to bleed the system and about 2 hours later the sealings started to leak...

Cheapest way is mineral oil, just bleed on a regular base - it just takes you about 5 minutes
 
Gokai134 said:
I am using either DOT 4 or 5.1 (as are many others) not 5.0 with no problems in the original mineral oil master cylinder.

Well, I once didn´t look carefully on the writing on the master cylinder (was a Ktm 520 back in 2001);
used DOT4 to bleed the system and about 2 hours later the sealings started to leak...

Cheapest way is mineral oil, just bleed on a regular base - it just takes you about 5 minutes

Brake fluid does not mix with mineral oil.

Mineral oil would be totally unsatisfactory for use as a 'brake fluid'.
 
Brake fluid does not mix with mineral oil.

Mineral oil would be totally unsatisfactory for use as a 'brake fluid'.

Hi Chas,

that´s exactly what I´m saying: if your (clutch) master cylinder recommends mineral oil, DON`T use brakefluid.
 
You're missing the point of the original post. The clutch master cylinder on my bike is no longer a clutch master, but has been changed to be the REAR BRAKE master cylinder. Therefore, brake fluid is needed instead of mineral oil. I have a line going directly from the Magura clutch master to the rear brake caliper.
 
Id like to do this conversion but one thing ive not grasped here is i have this a standard on my 100mph Italjet Dragster 180cc 2 stroke scooter but thats auto clutch, if my magura clutch then becomes my back brake, how does my clutch work? Some things just need explaining to me so be kind!
 
DamianUK said:
Id like to do this conversion but one thing ive not grasped here is i have this a standard on my 100mph Italjet Dragster 180cc 2 stroke scooter but thats auto clutch, if my magura clutch then becomes my back brake, how does my clutch work? Some things just need explaining to me so be kind!

Google the Rekluse autoclutch for Husabergs. It will explain all.
 
just to be clear. mineral oil and DOT3, DOT 4 and DOT 5.1 shouldn't be used as they will damage the seals in a couple of hours. if you go for a fully synthetic fluid it will be a brake fluid that is ok with mineral seals.

you need DOT 5. a synthetic brake fluid compatable with your mineral master cylinder!

regards

Taffy
 

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