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Is UHE good for business?

Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
right, here is an interesting one!

you learn from here how to do your own work - so thats bad for news! :cry:

you decide that a better part is available - so that's good for dealers! :D

we have lots of info for them to use that they could not have known in their own little world - so thats good news! :D

we don't pee them about when we know what we want? - so thats good news! :D

we buy our parts from the cheapest source, from bearing shops from each instead of new - so thats bad news :cry:

so overall - what are we?

regards

Taffy
 
Because of UHE support I bought the 07 FS550e, nearest dealer to me 16 hr. round trip. Get parts from dealers and others. AAA all around.

Some tech imput direct from factory to UHE would be good for all.
 
What makes you think the dealers are not gleaning as much info from this site as the rest of us?? Just because your a "dealer" doesn't necessarily quantify that you are an expert in repair or product knowledge.
Many of the dealers are great contributors to the site from both a monetary and intellectual standpoint.

YES!!! THE UHE IS GOOD!!
 
any dealers want to join in or race team shops etc and have their say????????????????

DS dan?

fritz?

Dan?

Boss?

Fry?

Orange?

Gary G?

Aussie dealers?

regards

Taffy
 
I use the web site daily,It's more time efficient and the knowledge is world wide.It has helped me tremendously! Fritz
 
Anyone who says this sight is bad for business is a fool. Dealers should embrace this sight for many reasons (see Bergers post).

This sight is a source of information and contacts. That does not replace the dealer, it adds value to the dealer.

This sight is for passionate enthusiasts, and subsequently does not have all (as many) of the *******' that may be present on other sights.

The dealer who says this sight is bad for his business is likely not operating with a sound business model, and is likely not going to last.

Free market baby, free market.

And, it is likely a good thing the factory does not maintain a presence here, for somewhat obvious reasons.

Saying that the UHE is bad for business is akin to saying that pirating music is bad for business. Both provide non-scarce (aka infinite) resources in the form of free advertising to support scarce goods (the bikes, dealer services, or seats at a concert). I know, the advertisers pay to put ads on this sight (in the form of donations), but that is probably a trivial cost compared to the volume of views they get.

BTW, where are you going with this query Taffy???

-Parsko
 
nowhere parsko

if you didn't know i have given myself over to working a little on huseys and want to see which way it goes. i get about two days a week out of huseys which so far are all down to an old advert on ebay. if i could think of something else racey to put on there i would!

it's just that i think this is the first time it's been put as a question. we don't get much knowledge handed in by dealers and i'm sure on the one hand they don't want people to think they go wrong and on the other they don't want to EVER be marked down for their knowledge or lack of.

then you have the fact that one of the few who did say something - almost out of character as it turned ouyt: has been unfortunately the name that heads one of our longest threads for a very long time - orangeberg!

i think this site complements the used end, the cheapskate who wants to do it himself, or find it cheaper or, or etc etc. i can tell you that a dealer and especially the importer are more interested in the sector that can afford a new machine! call them type z or what you like, this site is all very well but it's those new sales that they want and the punter that can afford it.

has json ever been told where the site stands among the swedes? i mean orebro? i bet they speak more english than the austrians so i guess they would have a look and put an idea into practice?

i'd love to think there was just one thing we found that they didn't know about?

i'd just love to mark THEIR card for once. to know how much they know? i'd definately put my keihin knowledge against theirs. and some more.....

being a ducati enthusiast years ago i recall that steve wynne who had supplied the bike that mike hailwood returned to the IoM and won on said that he finally had the honour of visiting the ducati factory at borgo panigale. there, he explained why the dogs in the gearbox needed to be 3 to a gear and not the 6 they had and that they needed to be undercut for them to lock together. steve got this info after paying out of his own pocket for hewlands in the UK to check out a gearbox. they did all the F1 boxes on the cosworth DFVs then ruling F1.

Eng. Dr Taglioni produced a drawing of the very same 3-dog box with undercut gears dated 1966. he said that as a government run company all that he could do was design the bikes.....

without doubt the leading guys can teach the factory something but they are rare indeed. you need to be an exceptionally talented man in your field. in a narrow field.

still want to hear more. thanbks fritz for being so candid.

regards

Taffy
 
the UHE is definetly good for business. if it wasnt for this site i would not have known about BOSS and given him my business. without the tech and DIY info (and VIKING ) available on this site it would be unreasonable to even ride a Berg in my part of the world. i would be forced to ride an orange bike, or god forbid some jap crap, leaving one less Husaberg on the trail.
 
Taffy,
I think the UHE is very good for business.It provides a "club house" feel to every berg owner worldwide who has had the good fortune to discover this site.Since Husaberg has only a very few engine designs since its beginning and the current one for eight years the body of knowledge available on short notice to anyone that asks for help is unique in motorcycling.I do not think there is any doubt that Husaberg in Sweden,KTM in Austria and in fact every distributor and most dealers check in on this site on a regular basis.
As a dealer I find this site to be very valuable, especially in my early years with the brand, as it allowed me to get up to speed very quickly with most things I needed to know to sell and service these machines.I am really exited about the new 09 model and cant wait for the introduction Aug 17-18 in salt lake city.
 
Taff,

Tis a very valid and interesting question. Never really thought about the:
"we don't get much knowledge handed in by dealers and i'm sure on the one hand they don't want people to think they go wrong and on the other they don't want to EVER be marked down for their knowledge or lack of"
That's a really good point. I'd agree, it might be taken wrong if people only see a part of the argument. As for orangeberg, no clue what you're talking about. I haven't read it nor remember if I had. But, it would be nice to know if someone isn't good, right? Or at least know why. At the same time, it is nice to know you can defend yourself. There are ways of doing that tactfully without harm.

But the point of the topic. Is the UHE good for business? Yes. It adds value. Maybe a couple of dealers get burned, maybe the brand gets burned. I'm sure more good has come from this site than bad, by far. And don't forget, free advertising. How much is free? Nothing, nada, ziltch. Which begs the question, should Husaberg to simply ship Json a bike for all the effort he has put in. But, if he gets one, then shouldn't Dale for the time he's put into the bike, and so forth...

I'm sure the swedes know perfectly well about this sight. But, they have jobs too. Keeping an eye on it, and reading every post are different things. They can gleen some good info by just keeping an eye. These guys are innovating, not reading forums. I bet the Austrians are more abreast of this sight than the Swedes, due the current nasty state of affairs in the European moto politics. It's probably some dude in marketing that logs on as anonymous every day from headquarters whose job it is to read forums. That's all it takes, and a memo of post every week.

You also have to notice that Husaberg does nothing to quiet this site, right? (I think that's a European way, right?)

Good trivia:
I'm curious about the exact numbers, but estimate that about 5% of the 3510 listed members at least keep an eye, 2% know exactly whats going on (in the forum politics and daily how-to questions). The rest just use it as a source of info. Find dealers, figure out how to do the valves right the first time, classifieds, post pics, etc...

Taff, are you challenging the factory to a fight? Forum v. Factory: 2008 Man, you brits sure like a good scuffle, huh? :lol: These guys aren't experts on everything, their engineers. It's about iteration, teamwork, sitting in front of a CAD station for weeks at a time moving pins by millimeters, talking with vendors, keeping a spreadsheet with the cost in big red bold numbers at the bottom of a huge Bill-of-material. It's not necessarily about being a pro at tuning the carb, or knowing exactly what shims are needed in the shock. But, yes, there is (at least) one genius: Jens Elmwall

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The nerd behind it all. (I'd love to see a tolerance study spreadsheet, nerd begging here Jens!) Mind dropping by once in a while for a little Forum v. Factory action?

-Parsko
 
I agree wiht berger

This site has helped me a lot as a new berg rider as well as a new dealer. I am finding new info everyday on these killer machines and am sure that I will continue this trend for many years to come. With in the first 24 hours of me posting that there was a new dealership here in WV, I had several phone calls looking for bikes from as far away as Michigan. If it werent for this website, I dont think that I would have ever reached those people. I am currently figureing out what my marketing budget will stand in anticipation of advertising/sponsoring this site. Again many thanks to all of you for your support and assistance.
 
RE: I agree wiht berger

UHE is bad for my boss's business, because I waste so much time here and not doing work. :)
 
RE: I agree wiht berger

UHE is good for business :cheers:

Guess I´m not the only one who is/was thinking about buying a Husaberg - but for a long I´ve been to scared to buy one time because of lack "dealer-knowledge".
How can/shall a dealer gain info if he sells a maximum 5 bikes a year? Even the factory/distributor can´t help here (with a reasonable investment)

Knowing about the infos in the UHE made my decisson clear: I have to have one H-berg
- therefore it´s good for business

Thanks for all the efforts
 
RE: I agree wiht berger

i can say that 6.5 years ago i put husaberg in a search and came3 here for a look. i probably didn't look too deep, i think i joined and then told everyone that i WAS going to buy one and it was a case of seeing one come up somewhere?

beings i can weild a monkey wrench the tales were a challenge, what came over straight away was that the bikes were bloody good handling and were light and quick! that was all i needed to know. so i think just to consider one you have to have a garage and want to get into them a bit.

i've just given jonty advice on how to do his own forks so have i robbed a dealer of work or can we say that he will only have so much to spend and that if it doesn't go wrong that he will now spend more time riding and will by plastics and a decal set instead and that he'll stay with huseys? that i can believe!

how manay owners here do all their own work and how many love the machines and even though they have the dosh: take them into the dealers?

i guess only a dealer can tell you that?

is it enough nowadays that a dealer says to every question: "bring it in"! or should we expect sound and trustworthy advice even though the dealer may lose the custom on this occasion? i know that there is far less loyalty today than ever but in general, a good experience at any dealers will keep you on a husey right? even if tomorrow you ask someone else for the bits!

i remember that a man bought the garage in our home village that was around the corner from ours. within a day or two someone went around to ask for a special tool and the proprietor thought this highly irregular but said yes only to find that his own mechanic within days needed a tool and said "i'll go and get one off dennis, we're always borrowing it!". later he felt chuffed as he picked up lots of new trade from my father only to find that they came back, one day they met and agreed that certain customers were wan....s and that it didn't matter a hoot how good you were or weren't they would always float!

upon my dads death he pulled mum over in the street with myself also in the car and recounted this story adding that my father had taught him a great deal and that when he started he didn't feel it was possible to get on together in business but had been proven wrong.

i recount this because i think its true and doesn't do 'us' customers any harm to be told what we're like.

if you think this is a decent thread then one day i'll start one on the mindset of the dealers and their outlook versus (and i use the term advisedly!!!!) the customers!

i know we think we're in this together (at least thats the USA view) but there are still issues that separate the two sides. i have mentioned to our american cousins before how we in europe see ourselves as us and them if not us v(ersus) them! the USA view was never clearer IMHO than when i saw the sponsorship at the second force ride! awesome gifts and way more than you could expect over here.

well enough for now!

i'm still mourning the loss of robert dunlop. a very sad day.

regards

Taffy
 
RE: I agree wiht berger

I think its good for all!

The members can learn things that they couldnt even think that they can learn whithout getting to UHE!
Also I think its good for dealers becouse they get closer to customer and learn better each other!

I think that UHE is the best think that a Husaberg lover can find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well Taff, I don't think that sharing info here is really taking anything away from the dealers, and in some ways it may help a home mechanic type to decide if a project is over his/her mecanical abilities. Then that person would be taking there bike to a shop.

I believe most of us like to understand the inner workings of our machines, some out of curiousity, some out of tuning and improving there bike needs, so we find the tech threads interesting.

In a sinister way, this site may even convince somebody to do a project they can't handle and the dealer gets paid to fix the mistakes, kind of a win-win for the dealer on that one.

I would like to hear more about your Dad, he sounds like a great man.
 

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