Husabergs with fuel injection...

Plug and play is the way.

This sounds like Xmas already

EFI and a radical new frame is goooood news I think.
Unfortunately the guys didn't even let me in the last time I was there. Something like "hrm, really secret stuff going on" and "I'd like to let you in but I can't", with the sound of CNC machines working in the background. So I have absolutely nothing to add I'm sad to say. Man, the security seems to be heavier than at my work... AND I work with defence products like SAMs & AntiArmour stuff.

But I hope they will test ride the new bikes on our new track once they are that far in development. Then we will have a good chance to get a good view. I feel the lawn around the track needs to be moved that day......


And then to the OT stuff....
Maddel, about the track. I have put together a little story (w/pics) about the creation of it here, story
You can find an article from our premiere race here, article. And if you take a closer look at the big picture you can see yours truly crashing in the dirt 8)

I understand that fuel injeciton allows for the fuel tank to be not on top of the injectors like the fuel and carbi. This mens the fuel can be where the carbi now is and the lighter injectors up higher?

It would be nice to know what is in the pipeline, but why a 380 will be be a dual cylinger?

fe600racer said:

It would be nice to know what is in the pipeline, but why a 380 will be be a dual cylinger?

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Maybe they are two strokes. :lol:

I heard the Shercos are doing great with their EFIs.

What's the pros again for EFI?

1.Smoother power delivery?
2.No jetting necessary?
3.Better gas mileage?

What else?

What about the cons?

1.Pricey?
2.Not for the unexperienced to tinker with?

What am I forgetting?

Possibly Husaberg knows more about what's coming to the racing scene than we do (regarding 250 and 380cc bikes). Also, if they are injecting them, it is possible to get more out of the bike than otherwise. It wouldn't surprise me if they did something REALLY radical like direct injection, which would do even more, and save even more space. Just thinking, if there it was direct injected, the solenoid would be next to the plug. You could possibly have the intake come in from above/inside of the valves, instead of the side of the head. Also, seems like twin cams are in our future, if it is the case, you could swing the cams down around the side of the head, almost next to the valves, and thusly lower more weight, cause there would be less cam chain distance and other crap.... Hard to describe the picture in my head. Maybe something else is wrong with me :shock:

Never thought about it that much, but you are right, injection will allow the tank to be much lower, since you need a pump. This could open up many other possibilities.......

Tube frame would be an interesting avenue to go. Wonder if Titanium would be in the mix, since the bikes cost so much anyway, why not add another few hundred bucks, and shave some more weight off. Not sure how titanium would work as a tube though, have to think about that one.

Lefrog, you posted same time I did:
Smoother, no jetting, better milage. You said it.

Cost, a bit more, but if you look at the price of what it would cost for Husaberg to add it versus what you and I pay for a new Kehnin, and it's almost a wash. Is it easier to tinker with, HELLS yes!!! Plug in your laptop, and adjust your fuel curves. You need to know what you are doing, but it is easier than taking a carb apart, and you can change it in about 5 minutes, without getting gas on your hands. We need for Husaberg to allow us to hook a computer up to it though. But, unless they "seal" things, there will need to be access for hte dealer somehow, I would guess.


Speculation and rumors, gotta love em!

-Parsko

Ok, when it concerns rumors :I was told by a German dealer that the new engine will have double cam and the enduro fuel injection to meet emission regulations.
The new frame was said to be a perimeter type like Kawasaki and could be aluminium. The dealer prefered the steel type but I didn't ask why.
So when Husaberg is getting a new engine also (like the 380cc), does this mean it won't be the same engine KTM is getting??? I think I will wait with a new bike untill 07 as it sounds promising!!!

LeFrog said:

I heard the Shercos are doing great with their EFIs.

What's the pros again for EFI?

1.Smoother power delivery?
2.No jetting necessary?
3.Better gas mileage?

What else?

What about the cons?

1.Pricey?
2.Not for the unexperienced to tinker with?

What am I forgetting?

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Had you asked that 5 yrs ago I would have only said no jetting necessary, especially for elevation changes, that would be a plus. Downsides were many, but lack of hop up potential would have been tops. Nowdays, it is amazing what you can do wiith efi. It's amazing what I can do to my powerstroke diesel now with EASY programming changes, unreal hp and torque is available (albeit at a cost of fuel and reliability).

I don't want to sound negetive, but fuel injection? 4-strokes are already heavy. PCM, TPS, ECT, IAT, O2S, MAF or MAP (if speed density) CKP. Next will be EGR and a 3-way converter if emmissions are not met. And then E check. It sounds cool, but my carb serves me well. Don't get me wrong, I just happen to love simplicity.

And you thought you got rid of me
Volvonut

Why would it be heavy?

What was the weight of the Cannondale?

Gentlemen,
For what it may be worth I work with Engine Management Systems on a daily basis. It is my true bread and butter.

Suzuki has a quad equipped with Engine Management. Single cylinder motorcycles are near certain to follow.

Cost is a primary concern as the OEM must out source most related technology and hardware. Such makes it tough for the small manufacturer with limited funds. However, in order to comply with ever increasingly stringent emissions issues complete EMS is in our not so distant future.

Kind Regards,
Dale

PS
Husaberg had a working prototype over a decade ago.

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What was the weight of the Cannondale?

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I don't know but the Sherco 4.5i weighs 240lbs dry, per Sherco.com.

Exact same weight as the 2006 Fe450e, per Husaberg.se.

volvonut said:

What was the weight of the Cannondale?

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LeFrog said:

Oh don't forget to visit this link as well:

http://www.atkusa.com/specials/ReliabilityKitPrice.aspx

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Not a bad deal if you ask me.
Dale

Fuel Injections All Well And Good.........When It Works.
Wait Till It Goes Wrong....It Will...........Then Its A Nightmare To Fix.
This Is What I'm Going Through With My Gasgas

What,they cannot trouble shoot it and
fix it online?No plug in interface with
online analysis?