Joined Dec 2005
1K Posts | 0+
australia
ahoolsema said:fmoffroad said:
I can't wait to tell my KTM buddies that I ride a Cadillac and they ride Chevy Cavaliers!!!
Too long those KTM guys have thought they were the cream of the crop.
I would think an official Husaberg/KTM relationship would do wonders for the Husaberg brand. The majority of casual riders I chat with are ignorant of the current H/KTM relationship. "What's a Hussa-burg? Isn't that a chainsaw?"
Aaron
ktm did not buy husaberg for the benefit of the husaberg motor cycle . ktm acquired husaberg to serve their own purpose .
the husaberg product needs it own identity/ owner , then the brand will come into it's own
whosahberg said:ahoolsema said:fmoffroad said:
I can't wait to tell my KTM buddies that I ride a Cadillac and they ride Chevy Cavaliers!!!
Too long those KTM guys have thought they were the cream of the crop.
I would think an official Husaberg/KTM relationship would do wonders for the Husaberg brand. The majority of casual riders I chat with are ignorant of the current H/KTM relationship. "What's a Hussa-burg? Isn't that a chainsaw?"
Aaron
ktm did not buy husaberg for the benefit of the husaberg motor cycle . ktm acquired husaberg to serve their own purpose .
the husaberg product needs it own identity/ owner , then the brand will come into it's own
If you don't say it I will ....KTM bought Husaberg to obtain their technology,and only because they were not capable of developing it themselves, How many Times does Thomas have to go through this one might ask? ( Thomas Gustavson had the Husaberg Motor designed and ready to go in 1986, but Husqvarna had no money to develop it, this is fact, he told me this himself)
Joined Dec 2005
1K Posts | 0+
australia
most people know why ktm picked up husaberg , but keep in mind ktm also fear husaberg as real competition .
how far would husaberg be ahead of ktm in technology and results if a company with husabergs best interest at heart would have bought the company .
how far would husaberg be ahead of ktm in technology and results if a company with husabergs best interest at heart would have bought the company .
There's some very heavy contemplation going down here!
Given that Hbg has survived / the engineers succeded out of the first Husqvarna dilution to castiglioni's, we should have faith that the current crop of HBG 'people' have the constitution to defect from the KTM debarcle, should it occurr, and take the fight to KTM as a separate entity and of their own volition.
in this light, it is easier to see why KTM obtained HBG, and why they would have concern if the HBG brand went it alone - lets hope that if it occurrs, the quality controll stays at its current high level (not give the critics justification for their historic gripe).
Azza.
Given that Hbg has survived / the engineers succeded out of the first Husqvarna dilution to castiglioni's, we should have faith that the current crop of HBG 'people' have the constitution to defect from the KTM debarcle, should it occurr, and take the fight to KTM as a separate entity and of their own volition.
in this light, it is easier to see why KTM obtained HBG, and why they would have concern if the HBG brand went it alone - lets hope that if it occurrs, the quality controll stays at its current high level (not give the critics justification for their historic gripe).
Azza.
I also believe that ktm bought husaberg to serve their own purpose. An old Greek say says that if you can't win someone be his friend. Bergs was ktm's mainly competitor as a good europian bike with an evolutionary future.. Now you can see this future..Ktm developing only ktm's models and gives to bergs new plastics, stickers and some adjustments on suspension and carburetor for new bergs models like '07 & '08 while ktms same models are brand new bikes. I think that if husaberg stands at its own feet all these years our bergs today would be even better. Maybe i am wrong but thats my oppinion.. Bergs back to Sweeden!!
Joined Mar 2006
2K Posts | 4+
mid-wales, uk
just had this thought
out of husaberg, ktm, husqvarna which ones have in the past been declared bankrupt or nearly bankrupt and declarations made that they had no future due to reasons from lack of finances, crap bikes and lack of sales.
yet, ktm and husky are still with us.
so hopefully despite all the doom and gloom husaberg will still continue.
out of husaberg, ktm, husqvarna which ones have in the past been declared bankrupt or nearly bankrupt and declarations made that they had no future due to reasons from lack of finances, crap bikes and lack of sales.
yet, ktm and husky are still with us.
so hopefully despite all the doom and gloom husaberg will still continue.
Let me say this, I think HSB North America will benefit froma official KTM relationship. I know things are very differnent in the bike scene across the pond. I have zero insight as to what is best for HSB there. But again, if North America knew that Husaberg was all KTM, that is, could rest on KTM's reputation of quality,high performance and dealer support. This all is assuming, however, that KTM wants to push the Husaberg brand foward with new technology. I can't understand why KTM would be afraid of HSB when they OWN it! Sales are sales, either in orange or blue/yellow.
Aaron
Aaron
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
i think sometimes we miss the point?
husaberg went down to austria because the 01 and 02 production quality was awful, absolutely awful! they then get the staff on the line right and i have no reason to believe production staff from austria are guilty of any poor workmanship BUT husaberg can't seem to find a niche in the market and they have phuqed up reliability wise every year since!
'03 they made great improvements and made 10 changes. unfortunately 12 were neede etc. then when they went to kokusan and keihin they made **** ups, and then the mains went in '05.
i've said that they need a swolid 10 years of no trouble and they only started that process last year and not 4 years ago! the engine is getting fairly old now and they don't have an introductory model so come on! where are they really!
they aren't converting any new punters to them, their residual is awful and quite honestly it took them till this year to fit a slim tank! they've had to drop the MX'er which is the bike they were famous for simply because the ol gal is at the end of her line....
ktm haven't been able cash in on their fame and success because they've been on the back foot. the wp suspension has, like the engine, fallen behind and needs a major update.
i never evr believed in Fi on this bike, that has always been bollocks. they'll go Fi with a new engine. thing is: why can't they be given the 250 ktm engine as well as an entry model? it's as though, like HD and the british they feel that there is no profit in little bikes but you also lose the new or young punter!
losing the 400 was a foolish mistake. for goodness sake they are so serious abiout an entry level bike that they do the 380 in kit form and it took the uk importer (at the time) to do that for them!
if i'm stumped for which direction - how do you think they feel?
after all the aussies are still trying to sell off the '06s i believe and the yanks had hundreds of 470s left some 5 years ago or more!
the deal has always been that rofors got to design each year but it seems to me that the bike is lucky to be a 550 and a 650 and that there are no cc limits because in any given area their machines struggle now?
the 450 is far too over square?
it was done to help production costs but i can't believe that 100 x 57 couldn't have been 97 x 60 or 95 x 64 like kurt nicholls experimental katoom SM machine.
they seem to be stuck in limbo?
they need direction. you can't go racing with an old engine. if dale had had support i believe that the yanks would now be racing lowered husabergs in short and flat track but they didn't help him. when someone is already willing then the cost is effectively half the price - some would say "a bargain!".
i hit on the uk importer as undercutting all his dealers. he would sell them new at a bargain price and he would sell them used as well. none of the dealers could do anything about it! they would sell a bike for 6k and DCR had it for 5k and a new model from the year before for 4k. well what would you have done? been loyal? don't talk rubbbish! you'd have gone 200 miles like everyone else and got yourself a bargain! but it detstroyed margins and dealer confidence.
as for the american importer? well i can't tell what their legacy is but who was the rep that used to come here? he seemed ok yet he jumped ship just a few months ago.
basically the quality guys work for the big importers.
so now what?
i think you need to find out how you'll get your spares delivered and that might tell us more....
how about some of you pretending to be the MD and say what you would do in their shoes?
regards
Taffy
husaberg went down to austria because the 01 and 02 production quality was awful, absolutely awful! they then get the staff on the line right and i have no reason to believe production staff from austria are guilty of any poor workmanship BUT husaberg can't seem to find a niche in the market and they have phuqed up reliability wise every year since!
'03 they made great improvements and made 10 changes. unfortunately 12 were neede etc. then when they went to kokusan and keihin they made **** ups, and then the mains went in '05.
i've said that they need a swolid 10 years of no trouble and they only started that process last year and not 4 years ago! the engine is getting fairly old now and they don't have an introductory model so come on! where are they really!
they aren't converting any new punters to them, their residual is awful and quite honestly it took them till this year to fit a slim tank! they've had to drop the MX'er which is the bike they were famous for simply because the ol gal is at the end of her line....
ktm haven't been able cash in on their fame and success because they've been on the back foot. the wp suspension has, like the engine, fallen behind and needs a major update.
i never evr believed in Fi on this bike, that has always been bollocks. they'll go Fi with a new engine. thing is: why can't they be given the 250 ktm engine as well as an entry model? it's as though, like HD and the british they feel that there is no profit in little bikes but you also lose the new or young punter!
losing the 400 was a foolish mistake. for goodness sake they are so serious abiout an entry level bike that they do the 380 in kit form and it took the uk importer (at the time) to do that for them!
if i'm stumped for which direction - how do you think they feel?
after all the aussies are still trying to sell off the '06s i believe and the yanks had hundreds of 470s left some 5 years ago or more!
the deal has always been that rofors got to design each year but it seems to me that the bike is lucky to be a 550 and a 650 and that there are no cc limits because in any given area their machines struggle now?
the 450 is far too over square?
it was done to help production costs but i can't believe that 100 x 57 couldn't have been 97 x 60 or 95 x 64 like kurt nicholls experimental katoom SM machine.
they seem to be stuck in limbo?
they need direction. you can't go racing with an old engine. if dale had had support i believe that the yanks would now be racing lowered husabergs in short and flat track but they didn't help him. when someone is already willing then the cost is effectively half the price - some would say "a bargain!".
i hit on the uk importer as undercutting all his dealers. he would sell them new at a bargain price and he would sell them used as well. none of the dealers could do anything about it! they would sell a bike for 6k and DCR had it for 5k and a new model from the year before for 4k. well what would you have done? been loyal? don't talk rubbbish! you'd have gone 200 miles like everyone else and got yourself a bargain! but it detstroyed margins and dealer confidence.
as for the american importer? well i can't tell what their legacy is but who was the rep that used to come here? he seemed ok yet he jumped ship just a few months ago.
basically the quality guys work for the big importers.
so now what?
i think you need to find out how you'll get your spares delivered and that might tell us more....
how about some of you pretending to be the MD and say what you would do in their shoes?
regards
Taffy
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
Front Fork: Updated suspension settings
Shock absorber: Updated settings
Front Wheel: Black Rims and machined hub on all Enduro models
Rear Wheel: Black Rims and machined hub on all Enduro models
Wave Brake Disc: New wave brake disc (front and rear) on all Enduro models
Fuel Tank: New small 7,5 liter fuel tank on all European Enduro models
Front Axle: integrated screw to take out the axle easier, special crown (DURNICODE) - no oxidise and no galling
CDI-Box: New programmed ignition curve for all Enduro models for improved traction and control.
Oil Plug: CNC machined, anodized blue
Handbrake cylinder Cover: CNC machined, anodized blue on all Enduro models
Hydraulic Clutch Cover: CNC machined, anodized blue
Cover for Supermoto Brake reservoir: CNC machined, anodised blue on all Supermoto models
Stickers & Decals: This years Supermoto has received a more dark appearance that emphasizes the feeling of the well known strong and light Husaberg Supermotos. The Enduro models have a sharper appearance with more distinguished lines in the graphics in combination with exclusive details. This is a pure racer.
THE ABOVE IS A QUOTE FROM JEDI FROM LATE JUNE.
this is for 2008. if i had a flat growth curve and someone told me that this is what you get for the next 12 months i know what i'd do!
i believe that the following mistakes have been made:
1) top of the pile. no entry model for the dealer. 250/300/400. criminal on everybodys part. you must have a bike for the new off roader that is gentle and not one manufacturer does one now - a criminal waste!
2) over production and lack of clear path to creating better residual values.
3) the main bearing and c/b issues went on two years too long. they really should have been done in '03 and at the ltest '04 for a fresh start.
4) poor advertising everywhere by all importers. factory should have lead a proper advertisement campaign.
5) model direction lacked clarity. is it a racer or a trail bike? after a great start at SM there was no back up. the british importer went bankrupt persuibg a race programme whilst the factory failed to cash in on their success!
regards
Taffy
Shock absorber: Updated settings
Front Wheel: Black Rims and machined hub on all Enduro models
Rear Wheel: Black Rims and machined hub on all Enduro models
Wave Brake Disc: New wave brake disc (front and rear) on all Enduro models
Fuel Tank: New small 7,5 liter fuel tank on all European Enduro models
Front Axle: integrated screw to take out the axle easier, special crown (DURNICODE) - no oxidise and no galling
CDI-Box: New programmed ignition curve for all Enduro models for improved traction and control.
Oil Plug: CNC machined, anodized blue
Handbrake cylinder Cover: CNC machined, anodized blue on all Enduro models
Hydraulic Clutch Cover: CNC machined, anodized blue
Cover for Supermoto Brake reservoir: CNC machined, anodised blue on all Supermoto models
Stickers & Decals: This years Supermoto has received a more dark appearance that emphasizes the feeling of the well known strong and light Husaberg Supermotos. The Enduro models have a sharper appearance with more distinguished lines in the graphics in combination with exclusive details. This is a pure racer.
THE ABOVE IS A QUOTE FROM JEDI FROM LATE JUNE.
this is for 2008. if i had a flat growth curve and someone told me that this is what you get for the next 12 months i know what i'd do!
i believe that the following mistakes have been made:
1) top of the pile. no entry model for the dealer. 250/300/400. criminal on everybodys part. you must have a bike for the new off roader that is gentle and not one manufacturer does one now - a criminal waste!
2) over production and lack of clear path to creating better residual values.
3) the main bearing and c/b issues went on two years too long. they really should have been done in '03 and at the ltest '04 for a fresh start.
4) poor advertising everywhere by all importers. factory should have lead a proper advertisement campaign.
5) model direction lacked clarity. is it a racer or a trail bike? after a great start at SM there was no back up. the british importer went bankrupt persuibg a race programme whilst the factory failed to cash in on their success!
regards
Taffy
Hei,
Nice talk, I hope HB will continues, but I agree with having a new owners for the bike, If someone has an insider relationship with HB side, will be that current HB division member can take over the production and development, at the end the bike can grow very quickly just listening the riders and making modifications to the bikes. Going back to Sweden is the move I am sure with all the money in this world that investors will be a lot for this.
I will even put some coins on it.
Cheers,
Nice talk, I hope HB will continues, but I agree with having a new owners for the bike, If someone has an insider relationship with HB side, will be that current HB division member can take over the production and development, at the end the bike can grow very quickly just listening the riders and making modifications to the bikes. Going back to Sweden is the move I am sure with all the money in this world that investors will be a lot for this.
I will even put some coins on it.
Cheers,
HUSABERG............
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, Im gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust................. I hope not.....
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, Im gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust................. I hope not.....
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