electric start query

The carburation is also a little off which might be a cause

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yep... or rather make that the cause.
if not starting hot, its generally too rich on the bottom.

Anything to do with the auto decomp ? If the battery isn't really spinning it over fast enough it wont fire. My FS650 cam with a dead flat battery. Kicks first time cold though so no complaints. Fires occasionally when hot after a good hard thrashin. :wink:

on my 99 fe400e there are 2 marks on the flywheel. my understanding is one is for electric start models and one is for models without elec. start. I believe the mark to the left is for e start. usually when I adjust the valves i don't take the flywheel side cover off, but perhaps your not timed off the flywheel correctly. I'm sure someone here is more informed about that than I am, just throwing out some food for thought.

Still not having much joy with the Electric start. I have got the fuelling much better and the bike continues to start fine with the kicker. It's as if the motor is not quite spinning over fast enough to spark into life. The new jets have leaned the fuelling off but tried starting with the choke on and it's the same.

Taffy...you'll have to tell em for the bozillienth time....something like this...new dutch clog auto de comp - Taffy mod R6 starter & correct well charged battery.

Perhaps (if it's not already) this should all go down in the owners doc in easy to follow bullet points.

Have a search for related posts "chestnut" & "kicjk start" will do for now. Good luck.

Another thing that really helped my R6 starter get spinning was better battery cables. I left the originals ones there, but then added a big fat ground cable from the battery to the end of the starter. I also made two more smaller gauge cables with eyes soldered on then ends and put them from the battery to the relay, and from the relay to the starter...again I left the originals there, just bolted these cables onto the same terminals.

Ray

vwhusaberg said:

Another thing that really helped my R6 starter get spinning was better battery cables. I left the originals ones there, but then added a big fat ground cable from the battery to the end of the starter. I also made two more smaller gauge cables with eyes soldered on then ends and put them from the battery to the relay, and from the relay to the starter...again I left the originals there, just bolted these cables onto the same terminals.

Ray

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can you specifically say that you tried for a good while the bike w/o the new cables and then since? or was it all done in one day? or the starter on the saturday moning and the cables at half past three! LOL!!! :lol:

regards

Taffy

I've had the R6 starter and YTZ7S battery on there for a few months and it never turned over fast enough. While I was installing the cables, I was also fixing the kickstarter, shimming the freewheel, and replacing the Sprague. I haven't actually started it yet, but I just got my stators back from Sparks!

let me know how you get on. I'm hoping that the beefy starter mod will cure it. What are the symptoms of the stator having water in it or packing up? Would that make it hard to kick start too?
Manxberg

keiran

yours is a 2004 and ray is on about the old SEM ignition bikes from up to '03. his problem with his ignition simply doesn't exist for you. the only slight problem i have heard of with the '04s is the carb vents melted on the first ones against the exhaust and the TPS sensor could be out on the carb. have alook at this in the cauration or electrical part of the doc as it's an electrical item on the carb.

regards

Taffy

Kieran said:

It's as if the motor is not quite spinning over fast enough to spark into life.

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That's exactly how i described my problem with the estart before the torque limiter went out completely. I think when the torque limiter begins to slip, it's just a slight slip on the compression stroke. Just enough to keep it from firing. It is very simple to take out the TL and add a shim. In fact I added a shim and tightened it so it doesn't slip at all. Put it back together and it fired right up on the button.

Dalton

piggd

keiran has a new sprague modified and also a shimmed freewheel. i did it, so we still search. am trying to get some jetting ideas as well.

regards

Taffy

Hi
I´m new here and searching for solutions for my starting problems. Also énglich isn´t my language, so i don´t know ex. what torque limiter, shimming freewheel etc means, sorry.
Mine has serious starting problems. I can only start it with the kick, and until today it took me 10-15 minuts. Today i tried to make the e-start to work, it was not turning the engine at all. The battery seems fine, lots of light( lights runs directly on the battery..??) and 13,2 Volts(i´m not sure that means anything). I tried to jump start it, but it didn´t help, the starter tried harder but then it sounded like it was slipping, and then - it didn´t turn the engine.
I tried to adjust the decomp cable from the kick, it was very tight. But first i adjusted the valves, and for that i took off the decomp cable. The Exhaust valves was to tight, the intakes were fine. But when i put on the decomp cable again, i was VERY loose??
I cleaned an adjusted the SEM stator/ignition.The e-start still dosnt turn the engine... BUT it started easily on first kick.

From the former owner i know mine has titanium valves. I guess it then has stronger valvesprings, and maybe they are the problem??

Yesterday i went to the racetrack, and at some point i crashed, and used 40 minuts and 12 gallons of sweat before the damned thing started again. So i made a promise to myself: before my next competition i will have it fixed or ride on something else - the e-starter simply has to work.
I know you have probably answered these questions 1 million times, but i would really appriciate some help here.

Regards from Denmark!

Sixdays,

You starter will struggle if the auto-decomp isn't doing its job, and the freewheel or the torque limiter can slip. That's the thingy built into the cam. There is lot of info about it in here and also in the DOC, incl pictures.

Hope this gives you a stating point.

Hilsen fra
Anders, DK

ManxBerg said:

As brilliant as the new 2009 Berg looks would I really have a dirtbike without a kickstart, I'm not so sure?

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does your car have a crank handle on the front?

they will bump start and they will jump start.

out of all the bikes that at the event i'm only aware of 1 bike, a 2010 actually that refused to start.

i believe that was down to a loose connection, the bikes were geting torn apart and checked over each night so it wasnt a big issue and they just jumped it.

I think most of the auto decomp problems fall on the spring. In the older models such as my 98 600 the spring slipped and there was no tension holding the decomp properly. I think this is an issue with most decomp problems I read about on here. Taffy was very helpful.
Sixdays, open up the head and check your auto decomp and spring
If I remember right the spring holds the decomp open until a certain RPM and the centrifigul force drops the decomp against the shaft for proper operation, or something like that.
I had issues with mine and could never understand it until later. it was the spring and now starts first spin of the motor