Does one sell a berg

I think you meant to say 1988 to 1995 as Husaberg after 95 is KTM 100% the only thing Husa is the original factory. All research, development and design was done right at KTM. From the time the Ready to Race was stolen and placed on KTM's was the day Husa was no longer Husa.

rosenberg, weather it a older one or a KTM built one, I agree they are different than any other bike every developed for off road.
The KTM influence really didn't happen till 2012 with the introduction of the T2's.
I had one of the 250's and sold it but still have the 94 and the 06. one early one and a so called KTM.
Knee's replaced to old to compete but love to hit the trail every once in awhile just to feel the way the bike pulls you through the trails.

fedge.

Rosenberg has a 2008 450, it says it on the tin!

love the bit about the snake! LMAO!!!!

all Husabergs were designed in Orebro, Sweden right to the end. They only closed the R & D facility in 2014. all the 2009-2012s were designed in Sweden by a Swede.

that 2009-2012 engine could have been fantastic but KTM would NOT give them a Budget or anytime whatsoever to develop them. I've always said that if they had shunted that engine down 100cc or up 100cc it would have been a great engine. 450, 550, 650 or go the other way and 250, 350, 450. Knowing Husaberg and the weight, i reckon they would have gone up and we would have had a replacement 650 one day.

It's said that they were given 6-weeks to test for the 2010, 2011, 2012 models. kinda like showing someone a meal and then withdrawing it immediately!

far from husabergs being designed by KTM it is the KTMs that were designed by Husaberg. "OUR" Husaberg 2000 engine, the last year with the waterpump on the head is also the first year of the same engine in a KTM. KTM demanded OUR design and told Husaberg, "Now phuq off and design another engine that looks nothing like our new (sic) design that you gave us.

so they had the RFS engine and we got the 2001-2003 engine.

I rest my case....

Taffy

Yeah, Sorry. You lost me after your "Real Husabergs" quote. How to slag off half your audience in the first sentence. Way to go. It's a kin to me saying you've got a got a poorly made Husqvarna (early berg). I've got a bike. It says' Husaberg on the side. It has a 70 degree engine-never used by KTM: it's a real Husaberg.

rosenberg 450 08 said:

I am talking about real Husabergs here the 2008 and before.
I just went for a bit of a ride thinking well this will be my last ride, my knees and back are to bugged to do good rides anymore, but when I went out boy this thing is great and I can ride it like the wind, I am thinking no I can't sell it, this is just too good.
Coming back home I come across a red belly black snake and stop 1ft away in swamp land with 4ft high weeds all around and I am thinking f--k what's this c--t going to do, I will just keep the revs up hand hope he f 's off, can't see him he's gone under all the sh-t and it's as greasy as a butchers prick I could easy come off and land on the prick and I could not see **** where the track is as it's all over grown but I made it out. f that felt good but I was thinking I hope the ******* not on the bike the old heart rate went up :hugeeyes:

All the old stomping grounds are closed off and ya warned to keep out :cry: and that makes me think f it.
I could keep the bike for ever, I would not by another, road a mates 300 Berg what a sh-t box they are compared to a real Berg and how effortless they are to ride with total confidence in what she can do.
I don't know of anyone who has sold a real berg they just keep them for ever.

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Keep the bike mate you will regret selling it for a long time if you don't.I felt like you once to old,nowhere to ride any more. so sold my bike and regretted it for a long time until I got enough money together to buy another (550fe)Now days I'm involved with the local m/x club as a official and do organised trail rides when I can.

Whosaberg said:

Yeah, Sorry. You lost me after your "Real Husabergs" quote. How to slag off half your audience in the first sentence. Way to go. It's a kin to me saying you've got a got a poorly made Husqvarna (early berg). I've got a bike. It says' Husaberg on the side. It has a 70 degree engine-never used by KTM: it's a real Husaberg.

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Word.

My first thought when reading the OP was "are you high?"

New, old, all Husabergs have a home here. Parochial grade-school BS, not so much.

There are quite a few pre 2009 Bergs and 70 degree Bergs for sale in South Africa. It seems just about impossible to sell a Husaberg in this country, if it is not a new KTM then nobody wants it. Quite sad to see these bikes listed online month after month....

Taffy said:

Rosenberg has a 2008 450, it says it on the tin!

love the bit about the snake! LMAO!!!!

all Husabergs were designed in Orebro, Sweden right to the end. They only closed the R & D facility in 2014. all the 2009-2012s were designed in Sweden by a Swede.

that 2009-2012 engine could have been fantastic but KTM would NOT give them a Budget or anytime whatsoever to develop them. I've always said that if they had shunted that engine down 100cc or up 100cc it would have been a great engine. 450, 550, 650 or go the other way and 250, 350, 450. Knowing Husaberg and the weight, i reckon they would have gone up and we would have had a replacement 650 one day.

It's said that they were given 6-weeks to test for the 2010, 2011, 2012 models. kinda like showing someone a meal and then withdrawing it immediately!

far from husabergs being designed by KTM it is the KTMs that were designed by Husaberg. "OUR" Husaberg 2000 engine, the last year with the waterpump on the head is also the first year of the same engine in a KTM. KTM demanded OUR design and told Husaberg, "Now phuq off and design another engine that looks nothing like our new (sic) design that you gave us.

so they had the RFS engine and we got the 2001-2003 engine.

I rest my case....

Taffy

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Not slandering Husa as I think they are very unique and are something to hold onto. And also not to Boost KTM to the moon. But facts are facts.

The R&D was all done in Mattighofen after the take over. And unless Mattighofen is in your atlas as being in Sweden than this statement of Sweden is not correct. The only thing that stayed was the Motorsport division in what they did not design or build anything. The were even assembled in Mattighofen from what I think was 200 and something.
Yes KTM did use ideas from their own department and by no ways was the RFS Husabergs idea prior the sale, as all R&D was done in the same office and then the big shots choosing what went where. Prior KTM taking Husa over they were the poorest designed engines ever, so nothing special with that. KTM saved them as they would have been broke shortly after if KTM did not purchase. They had no budget or funding as they were a failure. It took KTM to make them what they are.
So anyone who says Husa from after the sale was not a KTM is incorrect. Just a different model of the KTM is all.

Do you even like being here FE350?
The Wikipedia says they had been produced in Austria since 2003.
So who designed the 2000 Chassis? The 2001 engines?
And where?
If all the Swedes were kicked out by that time and Ktm made them, they forgot to change the name and paint them Orange.
I own a 2016 Ktm 500, an 06 Husaberg 650 and 07 Husaberg 550. I dont care who saved who from what or what kind of miracle Ktm did for them
My Husabergs are not Ktms. Different motors and chassis. Different bike bro.

pollo

pollo said:

Do you even like being here FE350?
The Wikipedia says they had been produced in Austria since 2003.
So who designed the 2000 Chassis? The 2001 engines?
And where?
If all the Swedes were kicked out by that time and Ktm made them, they forgot to change the name and paint them Orange.
I own a 2016 Ktm 500, an 06 Husaberg 650 and 07 Husaberg 550. I dont care who saved who from what or what kind of miracle Ktm did for them
My Husabergs are not Ktms. Different motors and chassis. Different bike bro.

pollo

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Sorry as I noted its nothing against Husa, Just facts. This was not about a 2000 chassis, If you read the start of this thread it was about 2008 and being a real Husa. All Husa's are real Husa's even my 14 anniversary thus the reason I purchased a great piece of history. It does not matter what engine it has, what colour it is or who built it. They are all Husa'a as per the name.
Defining the machine by being "Real or not" they are all real. In 1995 the AG group purchased Husa and there for engineered, owned, designed and sold Husa. That means Husa was under full control of KTM. Dont matter that a Swede worked on them as they were still taking orders from the board of AG, so with this said it wasnt like he designed and built what he wanted. He had a part in it is all.
Yes I guess it was 2003 as I just looked at Wiki as I noted prior 200 and something, pretty close? So if we go with that than real Husa's are only prior 2003? I think allot would beg to differ. All Husa'a are Husa's no matter what as even those with so called KTM engines in them are still Husa's as every one from 1995 was a KTM engine because KTM owned the rights and the name and everything about them!
I hate the separation between years and engine models as not one is more special than the other. It's about the name, the bike and history as well personal preference.
As for the comment about Orange in 1995 KTM was far from being orange, this is a new colour for them lol I remember KTM to be white and if I remember they tried Purple on the seat one year. You should try riding an old KTM about 1990 and see how it compares to the Husa same year.

The 70 degree engine is designed/made by Roland Öhrn. That was not an order from KTM but from idea that Jens Elmvall had. So please dont give all the credit to the austrians.

The husaberg engineers did have freedom and their own room in the KTM factory. That freedom was cut short in 2012 so the -13 and -14 models were not only using ktm parts but were tweaked KTMs.

Where did Roland do his 9 till 5 Jon? any ideas?

Taffy

From what I understand he lived in Sweden and worked in the racing team.

No doubt the husabergs were ktms. Own, made and r&d in Mattighofen. Sure swedes did the r&d but they worked for ktm in Austria. But it was the "husaberg swedes" who designed their own bikes so they where not ktms in design, they had freedom as ktm let they do their thing and used husaberg as a guinea pig for new tech.

FE350 said:

In 1995 the AG group purchased Husa and there for engineered, owned, designed and sold Husa. That means Husa was under full control of KTM. Dont matter that a Swede worked on them as they were still taking orders from the board of AG, so with this said it wasnt like he designed and built what he wanted. He had a part in it is all.

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Full control yes, but he designed and built what he wanted (until 2012). Ktm had a part in it. How much freedom and how much ktm/swedish guy I have no clue. I guess ktm had a big part of it as they had the funds and it was their investment?

My point is again; dont give all the credit to the austrians.

And on topic. If one sell a husaberg one must sell it to a future husaberger.

mmmm? a Swede working in Sweden designing an engine that KTM didn't have anything comparable too.

since when did ethos, ideas and vision belong to KTM? paying someone's wages never made them that nationality.

designed in sweden by a swede with wages from another country.... maybe we ought to just stop all this and check the nationality of our bosses and payslips?

if it barks it's not a cat.

Taffy

If I remember correctly ,almost from the beginning in Sweden, Husaberg had a government loan agreement(AKA grant).When Husaberg was sold to KTM there was a condition of sale that required a certain employment number to stay in Sweden for a specified time or KTM would have to pay considerbly more for the brand.
So it was cheaper for KTM to keep a office in Sweden.

Not that it will matter but its easily checked by the persons talked about, but Roland that is dead unfortunately. Im having to do with a tech that was working next to Roland, Jens Elmwall was also very helpful when I asked him re tuning my engine, easypeasy check with them if you like. If you like clarity, and if it matters?
I like em all although I just have one bike. Owning one dont mean I care less about the other models that were spit out. As a kid I used to go to races and see the 610 blurp away for example. lovely memories.
Gather all questions as Im meeting with him tomorrow wednesday eve on 2017-12-13.

Taffy said:

mmmm? a Swede working in Sweden designing an engine that KTM didn't have anything comparable too.

since when did ethos, ideas and vision belong to KTM? paying someone's wages never made them that nationality.

designed in sweden by a swede with wages from another country.... maybe we ought to just stop all this and check the nationality of our bosses and payslips?

if it barks it's not a cat.

Taffy

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From what I know it was developed and built in Austria as that's where the facilities are.


I'm not too concerned tbh, I just wanted to give the husaberg team the credit they deserv whoever payed the wages and wherever the factory is.

Maybe Tomtom can ask Jens so we all know the truth. It can be a bit of an emotional topic.
Personally Im glad ktm bought husaberg and that my husaberg is mostly made out of ktm parts. It makes it reliable and it makes it easy to find spare parts!

I tried to google the 70 degree concept engine that I've seen pictures of and found it on the best site for husaberg knowledge, this forum!

http://husaberg.org/mechanical/16777-fe-450-2005-force-edition-25.html#post167214


Anyway this has turned offtopic deluxe, it shows we are emotional about our husabergs. Which is in a way what the topic is about!!!