Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting !

[BrianSM]

I know I know there is a million posts on these goofy things but I gotta tell ya looking back on old posts just confuses me as there are really no definitive answers.......so I'll be brief ! :roll:
1) when the bike is cold the starter will turn the engine once or twice and
disengage and spin freely....Zzzzing !
2) When the bike is hot and between heats the e-start will spin it easily
but will not fire or when the battery goes down it will fire up....
3) The bike kicks over easily..... I use 15/50 motrex
4) Last night I put the bike in gear and let out the clutch just a bit to drag
the starter just a wee bit with the front tire up against my work bench
the engine was dead cold and the starter DID NOT disengage, but
turned over the motor, I was just screwing around w/o the gas on nor
choke on, just to see what it would do ???

I was told by a friend once that it has something to do with turning over too fast with e-start and auto decomp..... ???? (yes I have read the 24 VDC starting battery etc) starting to make sense.... :idea: :idea: My KX500 likes to get kicked like I'm killing it, second kick cold always... the Berg I have learned likes a slow follow though all the way, making sure you have TDC etc......(the berg is a cream puff compared to the green bike)

So, either I get this @@##$$** e-start figured out or I'm tossing it in the garbage....as most of you know I race the bike and really don't need the extra weight If not needed........
The bike is a 2003 with a 2002 550 engine and runs like a ***** ape !!! so the starting appears to be my only problem...well with the bike at least :?

help........help.......... :cry:

 

[LINEAWEAVER]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

Hi Brian,
Review and study the SEM thread under electrical.
Such should prove of tremendous help.

Sincerely,
Dale

 

[Ady]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

Brian Sir
As you will see and will no doubt know ... I tinker about a lot with my e-start in a quest for the damn thing to work !!
24v is superb for warm starting. The second battery doesn't get charged but is only used for starting. How many times in a ride do you have to resart your bike? I am currently testing to see how many times my bike will e-start with only one charge of the battery.
If the answer turns out to be 20 or so ! Surely that's enough...
Then stick it back on charge when you're home.
The 24v conversion is easy, it took me an hour.
See my latest link, predominantly regarding charging.
http://www.husaberg.org/modules.php?nam ... 7634#27634

Hope this helps
Regards
Ady

 

[BrianSM]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

Hey J'son this is under mechanical DUH I meant for it to be electrical......would you mind ?? My skills aren't in this section.....

 

[maichusa]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

I have a 470 that starts flawless on the battery, with warm or cold engine. I have replaced the battery with a type 7 though. I thought it was YTX7s but would have to look.
Next to this I use short engagements instead of pushing the button for an extended period. This is better for the freewheel in my opinion. With short "shots" you keep the momentun on the starter gear and keep it engaged. With longer pushing the button, the gear might slip and cause extra damage to the gear next to not turning the enginge over at proper speed. It also drains the battery faster.
I use fullsynth Motorex 10W50 without problems so far.

 

[LeFrog]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

BrianSM I have exactly the same issue as you but the sprague seems to be new in this bike, also I did the motor upgrade to the newer, larger one, as on the 550, since the original motor died.

I first thought the issue was with the new motor being too strong, but when I did the 24v test, it started the bike like 1-2-3. Very encouraging, but since then the test has proven inconclusive, but in the meantime, my ignition has gone weaker, I can only get a tiny spark while grounding the spark plug, now, the tester does not show anything even at "SE". And I have to reduce the gap to see the spark.

My ignition comps were used on another bike and (not willing to blame anyone, just exposing the facts) the stator worked three times on the other bike, then quit, so I guess the stator is indeed dead and did not like the swapping, which I also heard is not good. But I did not want to refuse helping a friend.

Therefore the 24v mod appears to be great for restarts on the 501 and over with a good ignition. Of course on the 2001, e-starting cold is another issue.

The 470 seems to be a different animal altogether and seems to be easier to start than the 501, from all that I heard/read. I read here about people e-starting their 2001 FX470 cold, but no such story about the 2001 Fe501e.

I'm going to stop complaining and order the new stator already, just the LC4 one, no need to replace the flywheel, I guess and then will let you know if the 24v mod works.

 

[BrianSM]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

I clean my stator as much as I change my shorts !! I inspected it the other night as per Mr. Lineweaver's suggestion......it does look alittle funky....lube off the chain seems to find its way in there a tad bit ??? but clean as I dry wipe it out after EVERY RIDE....
so I am going to wrap with tape to keep out...or make a gasket ?? I need to read up on staters so I know their function well and how its relates to starting...... with e-start etc ....so I will stop here and muster up some more info before I come to conclusions.....
I can start the bike with 1 kick cold now.....so I might say farwell to the starter and NEW battery.......I still find it interesting when loaded the e-start doesn't spin freely after a short engagement
Thanks for info guys.... and keep me updated Mon Ami !

 

[LeFrog]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

I use blue liquid gasket around the edge, it prooves better than the "OEM" O-ring. I wish I could X-ref an O-ring that would fit the stator cover nicely.

I also used black liquid electric tape to cover and seal the portion of the wire that goes into the stator as well as the portion that goes into the stator cover, as the wire sometimes crack and water runs through the cabling.

 

[LINEAWEAVER]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

For what it may be worth and as it applies to maintaining a good state of battery charge:

Provided the opportunity (ie client agrees to write the check) I convert the electrical system to that of full wave rectification operating all with exception of the ignition system via 12 volts DC.

Dale

 

[doctorcorey]

Re: Another starter Thread.........but this ones interesting

:roll: Call me a genius, but I now what a "leccy boot" is! :idea: :idea: