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ADB Dirt bike of the year winner is......

Joined Feb 2009
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Downunder !
FE570 for 2nd year running.
Have not read the article yet as a mate and I share the mag and it's his subscription so he gets it's first.

But there was one negative that was in the report, and that was the FE570 has one fault, and thats the starter motor torque convertor. Quite ironic since I still had my bike on the trailer coming back from the dealers getting that very same problem attended to.
It's the hot start issue. Initially my dealer suspected that it was the cam chain decomp set up as they had one previous bike with same symptoms that mine had. So Husaberg OZ did a warranty claim on it and replaced it. But me very next ride when the bike got hot I had the same starting problems. So the dealer rang the importers and apparently the very same symptoms are found with the starter motor torque convertor.
Parts arrived from Austria a few days ago, so they were fitted to my bike today. I will have to wait a few weeks before I can really test her out (my 4th kid due any minute now) and fingers crossed that they had nailed the prob.

Has any one else experienced this problem ? and did the torque convertor fix it ?

My concern is if it is the torque convertor, will all bike eventually have this problem ? or just the odd one or two out there. Did they replace it with the same unit or is it an updated better convertor ? I would hate to have this problem appear down the track after warranty period is over, because it's a pain in the butt. But I must admit, my dealer along with Husaberg Australia have been very good in dealing with it, so I am not complaining about the service I am getting.
 
Hey eyespy I have had my cam replaced as well the net result was no real improvement in hot starting. Its my injector that is the problem, it leaks when the motor is off basically flooding it. :angry: Even cold its a ******* to start, 255 for a friggen injector and half that for a ******* filter, other members have tried to have the injectors cleaned but to no avail. :cuss: My bike was out of warranty so husaberg did the cam as a good will thing.
 
berglsmerg said:
....so husaberg did the cam as a good will thing.

Husaberg need a big pat on the back in this area as I have heard lots of similar stories about them backing up their bikes after warranties have expired.

The torque convertor I think may have fixed the problem. Once I have gone for a decent squirt I will post back here, but the bike needs to get nice and hot for the problem to occur.
 
My dealer changed the torque converter on my 390 to fix the hot start issue. It hasn't worked, played up today as well :?:
 
I went for a squirt this arvo and all seemed well, but to be truthful I never got it really that hot as it's friggin freezing up my way at the moment, but it did seem better.
 
berglsmerg said:
Hey eyespy I have had my cam replaced as well the net result was no real improvement in hot starting. Its my injector that is the problem, it leaks when the motor is off basically flooding it. :angry: Even cold its a toughie to start, 255 for a friggen injector and half that for a ******* filter, other members have tried to have the injectors cleaned but to no avail. :cuss: My bike was out of warranty so husaberg did the cam as a good will thing.

What exactly is your hot start issue? Hot start is pretty much the only start I get aroud here and I have no real issues to speak of.
 
Glad to hear that ADB has chosen the 570 two years running as the winner! :cheers:


So far, I have never had an issue with the starter motor itself as far as starting goes. Since you all are talking about the starter motor torque converter, which I'm assuming is some sort of sprauge clutch, what exactly is happening?

Since running a few tanks of Chevron fuel through my bike with the Techron injector cleaner in it, my hot starting has improved quite a bit.

If it's dirty fuel that is causing the problem with anyone's injectors, then the dirt has to be coming from somewhere, whether it's in the fuel from the gas station, or maybe passing through the vent line on the gas tank. There are ways to eliminate both.
 
OK

The hot start issue I had is as follows:

Went trail riding with mates and bike fires up no problems each and every time. We did some long fast stints where the air gets around the bike and cools her down. Stop start again no problems. We then hit the tight closed in with bush single track, lot of 1st and 2nd gear stuff with very little in the way of speed to cool things down. The bike starts to get hot (no more than any other bike) and then when you stop for others to catch up and go to start again. The bike sounds like it's got a flat battery, will barley turn the motor over, it's like it NEEDED a decomp but didn't have one. If you let it cool down it will start again no probs. When I got home I went to start it again and again would not turn over. I grabbed the hose and rinsed off all the heavy mud (cooling the motor in the process) and hit the magic button and she has no hessitation and fires instantly.

Now according to the dealers there is one of 2 things that cause this prob

1. The cam tensioner de comp thingy and or
2. The starter motor torqe convertor.

There has been an issue with both these on some KTM's
The dealer I went to had one bike out of 30 that had the cam replaced and it fixed the problem, so when i came in they automatically assumed when they heard my symptons that it was the cam thingy (I would have assumed the same) and replaced it under warranty.
My first ride and the problem was still there ?? They got on to Husaberg OZ and they said that there was another problem showing identical symptoms and that is the Starter motor torqe convertor. So they replaced that under warranty as well. So far it seems to have fixed the problem, but I need a really good, long hard ride in tight stufff before I am 100% sure, but it looks promising.
I might also add that a mate of mine has the 09 570 and his starts without issue. I mentioned to him that from the word go I could not stall my bike and then just pull the clutch in and hit button, it always struggled this way and would not fire. I had to find neutral and start it that way (again more so when it was hot)

Hope that clears up things about the hot start issue.

NOTE: I KNOW THAT THIS WILL GENERATE RESPONSE'S SUCH AS 'THIS NEVER HAPPENS WITH MY BIKE'
We are the unlucky ones and you have a normal bike.
 
You made a comment right there at the end that I find interesting, and this, may or may not have anything to with anything.

You stated that you had to find neutral before it would start. Have you tried bleeding the hydraulic clutch to make sure you are getting all the lift out of it? And, when it's "HOT", and you are having troubles starting it, is it in gear? Does it improve if it is in neutral?

Dale
 
It happened to mine when new then dissappeared. Not sure why it dissappeared. Seem to come good after first service.
I wonder if it will start if you hold the throttle open a small amount while starting?


The FE570 should win ADB bike of the year next year too. I can't see any other maker releasing something wildly radical to put them in front of the FE570
 
hi berger my hot starting drama is starting the bike anytime after the first run of the day, if left for a couple of minutes it takes quite an amount of cranking to get it started. I had the injector out and tested it, seems a drip forms on the end when fuel pressure is applied. Viking wrote about this in another thread. I have had the cam replacement and my starter clutch is good as the motor cranks over just fine. Davo I try just cracking the throttle but its hit and miss, when did you change your sig ? I nearly fell of my chair when I saw it ? :lol:
 
berglsmerg said:
Davo I try just cracking the throttle but its hit and miss, when did you change your sig ? I nearly fell of my chair when I saw it ? :lol:

Morning Berglsmerg, changed my sig about a week ago now. I spotted it was the opposite of yours yesterday :)
When I brought the FE570 I always planned to keep the TT250 for the hard knarly stuff and do a bit of easy riding on the FE570. I loved the TT250 and did not think I would ever sell it but my nephew wanted it so I sold it to him. The more I ride the FE570 the more I forget the TT250. I always thought the FE570 would just throw me off the back uncontrollably while going up the knarly stuff but it doesn't. IMHO as strange as this sounds the 570 really is well suited to beginners, I can nearly keep up with the tail end riders now instead of them waiting 5 mins for me. Last ride as we neared the final destination (a pub of course) on a nice dirt road it was great to slow down and wait for one of the corner men to get going (gun rider on a KTM 530) then give him the look and just crack that throttle and blow him away for a fleeting 10 seconds till I realised I had to back off cause I was scared :D Something I just could not do on the TT250. I don't miss kick starting the TT250 either.
I remember pre Husaberg days going riding to Louee once with the family and 4 of my mates rang the week before and all said the same thing, “Don’t take the TT250 take my bike”. Don't think they liked the TT. Then riding once at Newnes I swapped bikes with my mate, his was a DRZ400, it was at that point I realized I needed a new bike. They are a great bike the DRZ400, would have bought one if it wasn’t for the info I learned here at UHE and a quick ride on my mates 08 FE450.
 
DaleEO said:
You stated that you had to find neutral before it would start. Have you tried bleeding the hydraulic clutch to make sure you are getting all the lift out of it? And, when it's "HOT", and you are having troubles starting it, is it in gear? Does it improve if it is in neutral?

Dale

No to the hydraulic clutch bleeding and yes to hard starting when in gear, and it improves ever so slightly in neutral, but still not enough to start.

What does this clutch bleeding have to do with it ??
 
eyspy said:
What does this clutch bleeding have to do with it ??

I don't know what bleeding the clutch has to do with it, but I do love the smell of baby oil in my clutch!
 
aardvark said:
eyspy said:
What does this clutch bleeding have to do with it ??

I don't know what bleeding the clutch has to do with it, but I do love the smell of baby oil in my clutch!

sounds like there's more to that story...do tell ... :eek:
 
berglsmerg said:
hi berger my hot starting drama is starting the bike anytime after the first run of the day, if left for a couple of minutes it takes quite an amount of cranking to get it started. I had the injector out and tested it, seems a drip forms on the end when fuel pressure is applied. Viking wrote about this in another thread. I have had the cam replacement and my starter clutch is good as the motor cranks over just fine. Davo I try just cracking the throttle but its hit and miss, when did you change your sig ? I nearly fell of my chair when I saw it ? :lol:

I don't suppose bumping the idle up a little would help? What's your dealer think about swapping an injector out.

As far as those with the slow crank hot, I wonder what happened to the alledged cam binding in the head when hot situation.

Same sig line as always.
 
eyspy said:
aardvark said:
I do love the smell of baby oil in my clutch!
sounds like there's more to that story...do tell ... :eek:

No that's it. Works a treat in your hydraulic clutch.... although I'm sure there's people here who will disagree.
 
hey berger I have tried winding the idle up but it idles too high and dont really help much. I'll be in townsville for the supercars so I'll front the dealer and see what he does. The sig line I was talking about was davo's, sorry for the confusion, it was something about missing rolling down hills with his ttr and now its just gone and forgotten. Rubbish ttr :lol:
 
Hey it wasn't the flash TTR only the TT.
Maybe Berger is a Davo too?

I wonder if anyone has pulled the plug out to see if it is wet or dry when one of these hot no-starts happens?
 
aardvark said:
eyspy said:
aardvark said:
I do love the smell of baby oil in my clutch!
sounds like there's more to that story...do tell ... :eek:

No that's it. Works a treat in your hydraulic clutch.... although I'm sure there's people here who will disagree.


hehehehe and here I was smiling to myself think that Casey had got loose in your workshop :bounce3:
 

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