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496 review

Joined Dec 2001
798 Posts | 0+
Bellingham, WA
I took the 496 out today to the local ORV park for a spin. Spent 3 1/2 hrs riding and tuning the bike. Is it a magic carpet that will make anyone/everyone that rides it faster? NO. Is it a great playbike and a great replacement for a DRZ? NO. Is it an incredible race bike? YES. Am I in good enough shape to do it justice and race it like it is made to go? NO.
Now the particulars.
First off, the suspension was brand new and needs to be broken in a bit and tuned, as it came set, the front end skated, darted, and scared me in the rocks. With a little tuning I got the bike to settle in and really work pretty well, more improvement can be had once things loosen up.
The motor, oh what a motor. It starts first kick usually, although I had a couple of 3 or 4 kick affairs (I stopped alot to tune the suspension). The motor is best described as a mid range motor. It pulls smooth down to an idle and cleanly (and smoothly) accelerates into a sweet mid range and revs out pretty hard. Honestly, the mid range was so strong that I had little use for revving it hard, but when I did it really wanted to go fast. The KTM 525 is smoother, and the Husky 510 feels stronger on the bottom. The motor and chassis tend to work together to make a bike that goes forward, rather than spin or wheelie.
The tank, hmm? We'll see how fuel economy works out, but if I can get 40 miles out of a tank, it will stay on for everything. The bike is very slim and easy to move around on, it feels good with the jewels up near the gas cap, or ape hanging off the back. In general, the ergos are flat with no bulges.
Handling. It is hard to get a complete picture until I get the suspension dialed in. But I can say that this bike turns. I found my self undercutting many turns and having to correct to prevent an ugly crash. It responds very quickly to input and will take you right off the trail in a hurry. Strangly, it seems to be very stable.
Geometry, I need to look more into the geometry. I suspect that the triple clamps have a different offset. The frame shows signs of welding in a couple of spots, indicating mods. The pegs feel lower and the rear of the bike is definitely lower, no stink bug feeling at all. The bike feels level when accelerating, climbing steep climbs, under braking, and on downhills.
Do I like it? You bet! Do I feel embarrassed riding such a trick bike, yet go slow? You bet, but I'll get over it. Actually, it is so fun to ride that I wish I was in my 20s or even 30s again and racing. This is a 4T that can give the 250/300 2Ts a run for the money in most every terrain, and will flat spank them in some terrains.
 
i have a test of this machine i think called the 505. i put it up about two years ago. it had a set of 18mm offset triple clamps and you can tell whatever they are by looking at the stamped coding. the last two numbers are the offset.

they jacked the rear of the frame up and then changed the angle of the subframe. they also changed the swingarm pivot point to place it higher. this has the effect of squatting the rear end when accelerating. look for this?

they RAISED the footrests on the 505. BUT, because they used the tall seat it gave the EFFECT of it having lower pegs.

shame they swopped out the sussies. would have been great to have learnt something there and also the bike should be better than all the other mentioned machines everywhere. better or betterstill but never worse!

the engine should have been lightened as well i think - at the crank etc.

what exhaust system does it run?

should start first time everytime but if they've pulled the thing about taking the hot bits off they won't have set it back up again.

the swedish one was rock hard and set for the STs in WEC so i don't think you'd have appreciated that!

standard brakes and MC?

regards

Taffy
 
The clamps appear to be 17mm offset. The top tube has been lenghtened and the swingarm pivot has been raised (as has the shock mount?). The subframe (and pegs) looks to be lowered as well. None of this comes as a surprise.
The exhaust is the Akrapovic Ti system (the big muffler).
The brakes are Brembo, and are very strong but not touchy, fact is I would say that they are stronger than the 270mm front brake on the TM's.
 
"top tube has been lengthened"???
any pictures of this stuff?

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
"top tube has been lengthened"???
any pictures of this stuff?

regards

Taffy
Sorry, that was poorly communicated mountain bike (pedal) speak. The steering stem has been pushed forward 25mm or so (the big sqauare section has material added).

Pictures will be posted soon in my gallery, I have been incredibly busy lately. Out of respect for the race shop, no exact measurements for mods will be given.
 
phuq the race shop! they sold you the bike! if they didn't want you to know they should have crushed the bike like the japs used too. sorry but i would never do that! i was asked not to communicate one mod i was given and as that person was the only onbe who knew it and had done the hard miles i respected that.

look forward to the photos. just make sure that you leave a 12" ruler in the photo :wink: :wink:

anyway, everyone knew they'd extended the headstock anyway!

regards

Taffy
 
Taff
I doubt that anything (dimensions, settings, tuning) on the bike will come as a surprise. The article on Marko's bike (that you posted) was very informative
 
put two and two together.

you tip the frame forward. the head angle steepens and the arse goes up. you lower the rear subframe or you may as well be sat on a bar stool. what happens to the SA pivot poiunt relative to the countersprocket?

also, imagine the old headangle and 22mm offset clamps, think how far out in front the front wheel was? then bring inthe headstock angle 1.5 degrees and then go down to 17mm TCs, raise the forks through and where is that front wheel now?

no wonder they added 10-25mm to the frame!


but look, have great time on your new steed and remember if you want factory suspension you need mine! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

regards

Taffy
 
Re: 496 review - Thanks Supermototeam, Fryguy, and BOSS

Posted a few picks of the bike in my gallery.

I would like ot thank Supermototeam, Fryguy, and BOSS for making this happen. I am very pleased with the bike. The personality of the bike really suits my riding style, this is the bike I have been waiting for.
 
TM

given that there is a 10mm or so strip of steel that's a brace about the same size goes around the base of the headstock, i9 think we can tell how much the headstock is extended by!

have they ever said why they do it? i would think it's mainly to get tyre to exhaust clearance and not for a more balanced frame isn't it?

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy
I have spent a bit of time studying the geometry and the modifications. You are right, moving the stem forward does increase tire to frame. exhaust distance. But I'm not convinced that is the reason for the change. Without having a jig and some accurate means of measuring, it is hard to tell exactly what was done. I think that the extension may be closer to 25mm (maybe be as little as 10mm, but without another frame to compare to, I'm only speculating), and maybe the steering was steepened (at the headstock). A positive side effect is that the ergos are stretched out. I also suspect that the engine may be moved forward and rotated forward slightly. Give me a month or so and I will better know what the effects on handling are and maybe even what all was done. Suffice to say that this 500cc +/- 4T handles very much like a 2T.
 
The amount of frame stretch varies between riders, as these are "factory' bikes, they are individually build to suit each rider. By adding length to the frame, more weight is put on the front tire to improve cornering ability. Anyone who has riden these bikes swear that they corner better than any bike ever ridden. As well, stability is preserved, or perhaps even enhanced.

We would assume that this chassis will be the basis for any new models that may come. And while many may find critic in the length of the frame, they will not be critical with its perfromance.

cheers

Fry
 
This past Sunday, Fry and I had dinner (supper ?) with David Larsson, and the factory chassis was a key point in our conversation. While I held David down on the ground Fry hopped up and down on his chest, but the guy still would not give up any secrets. Later in the meal, after several tall glasses of Mountain Dew Code Red, we did coerce David to let slip that they raised the swingarm pivot point, and lengthened the top tube. But no further details were released. And tm-enduro, please do not go violating that notarized confidentiality statement that we have on file for you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Supermototeam said:
And tm-enduro, please do not go violating that notarized confidentiality statement that we have on file for you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: There is alot more to the changes than could ever be captured with photos. The photos are merely teasers. Everywhere I look on the bike I see modifications. Nonetheless, the secrets stop here.
 
fry

the further away you put the forks the less weight is on the front. ok so now you're in charge of R & D from now on...

apparently they climb logs in the woods a lot better than CR500s did... not another word will pass my lips!

regards

Taffy
 
RE: Re: 496 review

Check out the Sept/Oct edition of Robb Report Motorcycling magazine on page 116 & 117.

Shown in all its glory is a 496 Husaberg.


Mike
 
Re: RE: Re: 496 review

ossaman said:
Check out the Sept/Oct edition of Robb Report Motorcycling magazine on page 116 & 117.

Shown in all its glory is a 496 Husaberg.


Mike
Online? Where?
 
Put a bit more time on the 496 yesterday learning the characteristics of it. I've still got a little tuning to do for the tight stuff, and I need to put on different tires (the Mich ec4 and ec3 are a bit slick on rocks), a set of s12 or ac10 will be put on soon. Anyway, the faster you go the better it feels. It flies thru whoops (as long as the rebound is set slow enough), and it absolutely gobbles up washboard. I wnt thru a section of road with square edged mud puddles on a gravel road the usually hammer the body and make a bike get nervous, the Hbg didn't care if the throttle was on, off, or cruising! Once I get the right combo of tires and suspension settings for rock gardens, I will be in heaven. This bike may make everthing but a 125 2T obsolete, that's a tall order 'cause nothing threads thru the trees like a TM125e.
 
I put a new set of S12s on the bike with bib mousses today and further refined the suspension settings. With the semi-broken in suspension and the fresh meats, the bike has taken on another level of fun. Now I really see how good it handles and how well that motor puts power to the ground. twisting the throttle results in smooth forward acceleration. In gears 1, 2, and 3, you get the feeling that the engine might be slow, it doesn't spin, jerk you, or try to wheelie. But 4, 5 , and 6 it really accelerates hard. I took it in a rock infested trail that looked more like a stream bed and did some 1st gear trials, the bike never farted or stalled - WOW. It seems odd to have a bike that is so stable at speed, yet slaloms downhill twisties w/o effort. With most bikes, you give something to get something; 125's don't like uphills, 250 2T's often break the rear wheel loose when they come on the pipe, and 4T's are (usually) heavy and tend to stall at inoppportune moments. I'm learning more of the finer points about the bike, and learning to go faster, I think if a person were to listen closely as I go down the trail, they could hear me chuckling to myself with joy. This bike blurs the line of 2T and 4T, and is simply just a great bike.
 

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