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2009 Motor Origin

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CelticDude

Joined Dec 2005
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This was posted in Thumnpertalk by a gentleman from Belgium

If you look at this picture from a french enduro mag,you will see that a lot parts used from ktm in the husaberg engine,like cylinder,water -oil pump, and also pistons,clutch,gearbox...only the injection,carters are different and there's no kickstart...

http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1111ld3.jpg


It really looks like they took the KTM 450 engine and just re-arranged all the parts! I guess 2008 will be the last year of a real Husaberg motor!
 
So which is the chicken, and which is the egg? That's the real question.

My bet is the Chicken wasn't allowed to show up before the egg made it's
debut.
 
My best recommendation is that if you want a new Husaberg, buy an 08. That will be the last year Husaberg. The 09 will be a Husaberg in name only and will bare no resemblance to a Husaberg whatsoever.
Now I'm not saying dont buy 09's, or that they wont be a good bike, It's just that they will not be the Husaberg we have come to know and love. I have come to the realization that we have finally lost our identity to KTM.
 
berger said:
My best recommendation is that if you want a new Husaberg, buy an 08. That will be the last year Husaberg. The 09 will be a Husaberg in name only and will bare no resemblance to a Husaberg whatsoever.
Now I'm not saying dont buy 09's, or that they wont be a good bike, It's just that they will not be the Husaberg we have come to know and love. I have come to the realization that we have finally lost our identity to KTM.
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Amen
 
I am not so sure that the 09 models are any less a Husaberg.The engine may or may not be simply a reconstuction of KTM parts but there is more to a motorcycle than an engine and there is much on the 09 chassis that is unigue.
Many have suggested in the past that the Swedes have really been the brains behind the KTM 250-525 engines anyway.I think of KTM being the 2t part( as well as the LC4 and v2 engines) of the company and the rest come from Sweden.
No question the 09 is a completly different bike, but what is more important(and only time will tell) is it a step forward,and if it is,then it will have done what a Husaberg has done in the past.
 
I think that if you are a generic consumer, seeing Husaberg coming into the marketplace with this new 09 bike, the old identity of the bike is lost. To them, its a bike produced by a separate R&D department, and, yes many will ask, why two bikes. But we, including all of you that have posted above, should not forget that this bike is not a product of Austria, but from Sweden. It is not a KTM. Sure the piston, etc what ever may be the same, but the life blood, the character lines that will define this bike are not those components. The pioneering technologies in motorcycles have been stiffled for a number of years. Benelli, Buell, Can-Am, and BMW have all attempted to produce motorcycles in the last few years that would be marketable. 1 of the 4 is in production, 1 was shelved before the public ever got wind that they were genuinely attempting to do it, the third was shelved early, and the fourth, has released photos of a production unit. To me the Benilli is just a belly button bike, 2 wheels, a copy of a Suzuki or Honda, insert name here_______. Any manufacturer could do that. For that very reason, I believe that is why Buell and Can-Am stopped thier projects, it is just to large of project to accomplish. You have to sell new products on price or feature, and without reinventing the wheel, they had no hope. Now BMW has been able to implement some very interesting concepts. It should sell, and we'll soon see whether is works or not.

Husaberg had to introduce a product that was going to revolutionize the performance of the motorcycle. Horsepower and torque characteristics have reached a plateau. The chassis on the other hand now has its turn to be revolutionized.

Geez guys, its our turn to say " I told you so". I don't think we should roll over and find another 'different' bike to ride to show our identity. I certainly don't think that there will be a motorcycle on the floor that you can buy that will work better than that new 09. So if you jump ship, you're going to be pissed.

I can't wait to own an 09. To say that I was riding a bike that a good friend, my mad scientist friend, concieved the ideas and created something that will one again change the way motorcycles are designed and marketed.

Just my 2 cents gents, I just hate to see disention in the ranks

keep well fellas, I hope your Christmas season was safe and happy :bounce:
 
:D Dito Fry I need not say more!

Now everone else drop & give us 20 push up's!!

& Again,Again,Again ect..........

Now were are on the path to??
 
fryguy said:
I think that if you are a generic consumer, seeing Husaberg coming into the marketplace with this new 09 bike, the old identity of the bike is lost. To them, its a bike produced by a separate R&D department, and, yes many will ask, why two bikes. But we, including all of you that have posted above, should not forget that this bike is not a product of Austria, but from Sweden. It is not a KTM. Sure the piston, etc what ever may be the same, but the life blood, the character lines that will define this bike are not those components. The pioneering technologies in motorcycles have been stiffled for a number of years. Benelli, Buell, Can-Am, and BMW have all attempted to produce motorcycles in the last few years that would be marketable. 1 of the 4 is in production, 1 was shelved before the public ever got wind that they were genuinely attempting to do it, the third was shelved early, and the fourth, has released photos of a production unit. To me the Benilli is just a belly button bike, 2 wheels, a copy of a Suzuki or Honda, insert name here_______. Any manufacturer could do that. For that very reason, I believe that is why Buell and Can-Am stopped thier projects, it is just to large of project to accomplish. You have to sell new products on price or feature, and without reinventing the wheel, they had no hope. Now BMW has been able to implement some very interesting concepts. It should sell, and we'll soon see whether is works or not.

Husaberg had to introduce a product that was going to revolutionize the performance of the motorcycle. Horsepower and torque characteristics have reached a plateau. The chassis on the other hand now has its turn to be revolutionized.

Geez guys, its our turn to say " I told you so". I don't think we should roll over and find another 'different' bike to ride to show our identity. I certainly don't think that there will be a motorcycle on the floor that you can buy that will work better than that new 09. So if you jump ship, you're going to be pissed.

I can't wait to own an 09. To say that I was riding a bike that a good friend, my mad scientist friend, concieved the ideas and created something that will one again change the way motorcycles are designed and marketed.

Just my 2 cents gents, I just hate to see disention in the ranks

keep well fellas, I hope your Christmas season was safe and happy :bounce:
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No disention or ship jumping here boy's, just rendering an opinion. The pre 09's are a proven commodity, the 09's are not. In the end there should be little to compare between the two. As they say over here "apples to oranges".
I am just as excited about the new design as anyone, and I'm sure I will be in the market come time.
 
berger said:
My best recommendation is that if you want a new Husaberg, buy an 08. That will be the last year Husaberg. The 09 will be a Husaberg in name only and will bare no resemblance to a Husaberg whatsoever.
Now I'm not saying dont buy 09's, or that they wont be a good bike, It's just that they will not be the Husaberg we have come to know and love. I have come to the realization that we have finally lost our identity to KTM.
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I am in disagreement with this also. Hbg to me has always been about "building a better mousetrap". The 1989 bike made a clear statement that existing 4T bikes were tanks, and Hbg changed the rules. The 2000 chassis / 2001 engine made another step in building a semi rigid Cromo frame and using an engine design the purported to reduce gyro effect in turning. The 2009 model will make another step forward in handling. Lets face it, 4Ts still suffer in steering compared to a 2T, Hbg is trying to narrow that gap. Sure Hbg tends to go a long time between changes (8 to 10 years), but the design get thoroughly developed along the way, unlike the other brands that seem to want to change things every year or two.
IMHO, the 2009 is clearly in line with Hbg's "mission statement" and will be a hit. Yes, I am waiting for delivery of my 2009.
BTW, for those of you that miss the KTM 400/ Hbg 350/380/400, just wait. When the FIM changes the size rules, you will get a 350. I also suspect that the 450 will be replaced by the 350 and a 475, in addition ot the already planned 570.
 
why do you care ?????

why do you care ?????

It all seems crazy to me this BRAND loyality issue.........

I really dont care what my bike is called, where it is made or who made it..........why would you ????

ALL I care about is that the bike I have is the best available standard product to meet my current needs/desires.........

And at this stage they are "best handling, lightest weight, most power, reliable" enduro bike I can buy

So thats why I have a Berg FE650.....no other reason.

BUT also based on what I have seen it will also be the reason why I will buy the first '09 FE570 Berg to arrive in my town because it looks like it will deliver that also in a big way.

Its a product a corporation makes to sell to make a commercial profit..............

its not a religion guys :idea:
 
something tells me to buy a new 08 model and stash it away .... one day these REAL husabergs are gonna be worff summink . :h: :a: :p: :p: :4: :n: :e: :w: :party:
 
Fry - Agree!!!!!

Gazza - Agree!!

Goran - Agree!

I will buy another Berg, if its '09 thats great, I think the above sums it up, excellent bike, excellent handling, unserpassed depth of design and history staying true to their brand, and sh*@# yeah, one heck of a cult followin', right here! :rock: :rock: :rock:

Azza.
 
all good stuff..... I did look at the photos earlier that were posted with an orange bike with the 09 motor but with a kick start.... a right hand kick might have been a bit much for berg and they preferred to go without. I understand that the swedes had a large input to the ktm 250 and so things are blurred but kept still separate. ktm engineering seems good and berg design is best. the 09 motor does look berg but using ktm bits where possible, but that has been happening for a while... shared clutch bits etc. It should be better bikes, but will they be easy to tune for the home tuner? bikes seem to be going the way of cars with technology. I know someone who can strip a berg or ktm down easily but would not service there modern car. I hope the 09 is bulletproof and easy to work on when required. easy to work on was traditionally a berg aim.
 
Berger, I don't mean to sound like I was throwing you to the wolves, NO NO NO! I just had to say that the new bike is HUSABERG, and not an idea concieved elsewhere.

People have stated doubt about the FI being reliable or calibrated accurately, and these may be just. But it is not only Husaberg's challenge, everyone will face that challenge. Personally it is just one of the hoops of technology. My faith and excitment is solely centred around the new design and that the world is looking at HUSABERG again.

Cult :evil: :rock:
 
Fryguy, A+, I agree, and in fact, if a guy wants something truely different to ride, the 09 Berg will be THE bike for that! As for the KTM parts, how is that really any different than what we currently have? KTM/Husaberg are trying to save a buck by using common parts, I would think that savings is getting passed along to the consumer. Back under my rock.CULT :headbang:
 
Oh, everyone likes them, everyone dislikes them. This only means one thing fella's. Everyone is just anxious for the 09's. It's just too long of a wait! It's like waiting for Christmas next year and knowing what your present is! A guy can't wait that long without getting all emotional about it. After all, we are all just big kids!
cults scare me Fry, I hate that evil sh*% !! :evil: 8O
 

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