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2009 570 will crank but not start

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jed550e

Joined Nov 2006
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Adelaide, Australia
I have a new 09 570 which has only done 150km. I was riding it and stopped, turned it off using the kill switch. When I went to start it again it would crank but not start. The fuses are good. I disconnected the kill switch connections, still the same. There is also no power to the speedo or lights. Only the start/crank circuit seems to have power. The bike turns over, but there is no spark.
Any suggestions?
 
i have seen this before...if the bike is hot enough the fuel my be boiling, causing a vapour lock in the fuel line going to the injector. Letting the bike cool for 10 or 15 minutes always seems to resolve this. something else you can do is bump the start button just enough to make the fuel pump run (but not to crank the engine). do this 3 or 4 times to pressurize the fuel line up to the injector.
nizzo
 
jed550e said:
I have a new 09 570 which has only done 150km. I was riding it and stopped, turned it off using the kill switch. When I went to start it again it would crank but not start. The fuses are good. I disconnected the kill switch connections, still the same. There is also no power to the speedo or lights. Only the start/crank circuit seems to have power.
Any suggestions?
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The reason you don't have any power to the lights is because there is a relay that pulls in once the motor is running that energizes the fuse block.

Did you try bump starting it?

Are you getting any flash codes on the FI light? As Nizzo says, just bump the start button and see if the FI light comes on, and you should also hear the fuel pump run.

For what it's worth, the same thing happened to me once when my bike was pretty new. I was up in some hills and was waiting for a friend who was having trouble with a hill. I had turned around and was pointing down hill, and turned my bike off with the kill switch, and was sitting there pointed down hill for probably 5 minutes or so. I tried to start it with the button and it wouldn't start. So I just rolled down the hill and it bump started immediately and I have never had the problem since.

Since it only has 150 clicks on it I would think it was still under warranty? Take it back to the shop and let them handle it.

As a side, how about filling in the rest of your info so we can see where you're from.
 
I was told by a dealer you could not push start the new bergs.....that seems wrong if you got it going rolling down the hill?
 
Check fuel pump. Tank pump out of tank and check push on electrical connectors, we have had these come off and pump stops. We soldered our eletrical connects on rather than just push fit.
 
Check the main fuses and (amber) and the red fuses 1 and 2.

Is the FI light coming on? It should come on initially.

Yes, you should be able to bump start the bike, but if the battery is dead (which was probably what the dealer meant) there won't be enough juice to power the EFI/engine management and the bike won't start in that case. If the starter turns over the bike then trying compression starting won't help.
 
Thanks for your responses. I pulled the tank off and found that the CDI plug must not have clicked together and had worked itself apart just enough to lose contact. At least it was a cheap fix.
 
jed550e said:
Thanks for your responses. I pulled the tank off and found that the CDI plug must not have clicked together and had worked itself apart just enough to lose contact. At least it was a cheap fix.
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Hooray!!
 
good find! thats the thing with electronic engines...you need to be very particular about the wiring cuz the slightest connection issue will cause all kinds of wierd and wonderful headaches.
Nizzo
 
CodeMonkey said:
Yes, you should be able to bump start the bike, but if the battery is dead (which was probably what the dealer meant) there won't be enough juice to power the EFI/engine management and the bike won't start in that case. If the starter turns over the bike then trying compression starting won't help.
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Does anybody really experience this problem? I thought that the 210W generator will give enough power to push-start the bike even with dead battery. Aren't there FI bikes without battery, only with kick start out there???
 
Had a similar problem and it was the connector to the fuel pump not quite clipped on, the cause was my apprentice playing tricks because he was sick of hearing me rave on about "how damn good is this thing", worked it out , kicked an arse and had another great day riding, by the way did it tell you "how damn good is this thing".
I'm sure it is not a big problem.
Best Regards
Sutto
 
sabink said:
CodeMonkey said:
Yes, you should be able to bump start the bike, but if the battery is dead (which was probably what the dealer meant) there won't be enough juice to power the EFI/engine management and the bike won't start in that case. If the starter turns over the bike then trying compression starting won't help.
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Does anybody really experience this problem? I thought that the 210W generator will give enough power to push-start the bike even with dead battery. Aren't there FI bikes without battery, only with kick start out there???
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If the battery is truly dead (not just run down), then I really doubt it. Most alternators don't generate much voltage until they get up to about 2 to 3K RPM. Also, the stators on kick start only/no battery bikes are wired differently.

Most of the time this isn't an issue because batteries don't usually completely die without warning. My Duck battery has been dying for months. It is at least 4, maybe 5 years old and I haven't been putting it on a charger in the off-season when the bike just sits for 6 months or more (especially this last winter). It shows only 12.1 volts when I turn the ignition on. Enough for about one start if it isn't too cold or too hot. But if the battery drops down to well below say 6 to 8 volts, I doubt any hill will get it started - but maybe.
 
jed550e said:
Thanks for your responses. I pulled the tank off and found that the CDI plug must not have clicked together and had worked itself apart just enough to lose contact. At least it was a cheap fix.
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hello, my name is wouter, im from belgium

and i've had the same problem with my fs570 2009-model, after only 1200km it wouldn't start, i've re-attached the plug that was loose en the problem was fixed

but the last 3 weeks the bike repeadetly wouldn't start :evil: i've had to bump start the bike 3 times :evil: , the electric starter cranks but the engine doesnt start :roll:

and that's not all :cry: when i turned my bike in for maintenance with an official husaberg dealer, they returned it with much to much oil in it :evil:

there's supposed to be 1.36L in but when i drained the oil there came out 1.8 L :evil:
and i didnt even blow out the oil-reservoir :cry:

i've had this bike for 3 months now, and this is allready the 3th time the electric fails :cry:
fisrt time was after 300km, when the engine stalled due to lack of fuel, because my fuel-reserve-light didn't work, then there was a loose plug, and now i'm having these starting problems :? when the engine is cold is mostly starts by the first or second trie, but when it's hot it seems impossible to get it started electrical :?

Im sorry for my bad english, but i've tried to find a sollution on the belgian supermoto forum, but they've send me to this site :roll:


Grtz
 
The first thing to do in such situations it to change the spark plug. Have you changed it? What is the condition of your air filter? Make sure you do not put too much oil. Check also the air temperature sensor in the airbox. Make sure it's clean. Check its connector.
 
sabink said:
The first thing to do in such situations it to change the spark plug. Have you changed it? What is the condition of your air filter? Make sure you do not put too much oil. Check also the air temperature sensor in the airbox. Make sure it's clean. Check its connector.
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the air-filter was very very dirty, because there was too much oil in the engine it threw the its oil back out trough the air filter :? , i have cleaned the air filter completely, and my sparkplug was oily and wet, wich i have cleaned by now

Grtz
 
wutstock said:
sabink said:
The first thing to do in such situations it to change the spark plug. Have you changed it? What is the condition of your air filter? Make sure you do not put too much oil. Check also the air temperature sensor in the airbox. Make sure it's clean. Check its connector.
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the air-filter was very very dirty, because there was too much oil in the engine it threw the its oil back out trough the air filter :? , i have cleaned the air filter completely, and my sparkplug was oily and wet, wich i have cleaned by now

Grtz
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As sabnik stated make sure also that the air temperature sensor is clean that is located in the air box. I would use some de natured alcohol on a very clean linen rag to clean it off. I would stay away from contact cleaner on the air temp sensor as a precaution.

I would put in a new plug as well.

You probably have oil built up in the cold start orifice as well, that's the little hole on the side of the throat of the throttle body. Once you get the bike started try opening the cold start switch which increases the idle and make sure there is not hidden puddle of oil in there as well. Then a little spray cleaning with a throttle body cleaner may not hurt either to help remove all the oil residue in the cold start/high idle port as well as the rest of the throttle body.

There has only been a couple of reports of oil in the air box that I know of, and at least you have found a reason for yours. Be sure and check the level in the window, and not just the amount. I have found that on oil changes with out changing the filter, even if I let it drain over night, that adding 1350cc's of oil is too much, IE too high a level on the oil level window.

Hopefully now that you have cleaned the air cleaner, air box, and plug you will have good starting.
 
unfortunatly, today, with a clean airfilter and sparkplug the bike still wouldnt start :cry:

i've tried bump starting the bike 10 times (but it's not easy bumpstarting a 570cc 4-stroke on your own :? )and when that wouldn't work ( i couldn't get enough speed )
i tried the electric starter again and now it started on the first go :roll:

i'll take the bike to a certified husa dealer tomorrow, but definitly not the dealer were i've bought the bike :evil:

Grtz
 
wutstock said:
unfortunatly, today, with a clean airfilter and sparkplug the bike still wouldnt start :cry:

i've tried bump starting the bike 10 times (but it's not easy bumpstarting a 570cc 4-stroke on your own :? )and when that wouldn't work ( i couldn't get enough speed )
i tried the electric starter again and now it started on the first go :roll:

i'll take the bike to a certified husa dealer tomorrow, but definitly not the dealer were i've bought the bike :evil:

Grtz
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Okay, I have a question. When you hit the electric start button, does your FI light come on or can you hear the fuel pump run?

It sounds to me like you have an intermittent bad electrical connection. If the bike is out of warranty, you should check all the electrical connections, as posted in this thread by a couple of other folks.

Did you try a NEW spark plug or just clean the old one? Try a new plug, there was another thread here about a guy who got stranded, had to get the bike towed out, dealer couldn't figure it out, turned out the spark plug porcelan had a fine crack in it, they put in a new plug and no more problems.
 
when i hit the electrical start button the FI light comes on and i hear an electric noize coming from the startengine :?
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t seems that there is only a problem with starting when the engine is hot :?

I've just cleaned the sparkplug because i didn't have a spare, but i will take the bike to a dealer tomorrow and i'll tell him to replace the sparkplug


the bike is still under garantuee, so it should be free of charge

could it be a problem for my garantuee that i've bought the bike with another authorized dealer ?

Grtz
 

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