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Does anyone know something about the 2008 Husabergs? A local dealer here states that he has seen some drawings or sketches of the 2008 fe models and he was very exited! (And this is a KTM dealer….)
 
I understand husaberg intends to jump to inovative lead again, expect alloy connecting rod, that reduces to and throw mass movement meaning less power used and less vibration, ie more smoother power. Expect fuel injection no kick start. New valve operation, new frame due to oportunities provided by fuel injection. When it all comes out may be 2008 or maybe it will come in dribs and drabbs. Should be interesting?! I think Husaberg and KTM are working closely on a lot of things and the new 250 motor may point to the current thinking on valve train? That is the finger follower approach?
 
no way can i see F.I. for next year. we've only just gone to a decent carb. i can definately see the bikes having no kickstart at all because KTM LED THE WAY by doing it first.

alloy rod? may save 1BHP but the trouble is that the bike is already woefully oversquare and can't IMO take advantage that way.

they need to redesign the cam again and stop this cancave flank Shyte that we have had now for years. no excuses husaberg. your cam grind is good but it needs to be better. larger exhaust valves coz everyone knows that 32mm exhausts give more midrange.

i think they should have a run at 95mm bores and not 100mm.

that would mean a 400 and a 500 again.

all the carbs should be 41mm and throw the expense. if honda have got a 41 then so should husaberg.

don't tell me they can';t get more out of the old engine when the above has yet to be done....

design wise-in the engine-i think that the waterpump seal problems need sorting. if they re-design the cases because of the kickstart ommision they should be able to do something about the waterpump.

they should design the crank assembly to be shimmed. the tolerances are too critical to trust the build quality to have it right EVERY time.

regards

Taffy
 
In the latest issue of Supermoto Magazine (?) there was a small article that said that Dave Clarke had told the mag that a new 450 engine had been dynoed here in Örebro and now was sent to Austria for more long time testing. Any brits that could take on the job of questioning DCR ??
Usually when I go to the guys at R&D there are no problems getting in. But sometime last year, or if it was early this year, I wasn't even let in the front door. I could hear some heavy machining going on in the workshop....
 
Personally I Think Doing Away With The Kick Start Will Be A Real Bad Idea. Many Of The KTM Boys Running SM With The Kickless Bike Have Been Complaining Of No Starts As The Battery's Very Small And Not Man Enough To Restart The Bikes Between Races,Same Thing With The 'Prillia's.
The First EC400 Gassers Struggle To Start And You End Up Using The Kick As A Boost To Get The Thing To Fire And Dont Get Me Started On Fuel Injection!!!.
If They Change To Twin Cams They Should Stay With The Screw Type Adjustment For Ease Of Service. The UK Mondeo TDCi's Are Twin Cam 16V Diesel And They Use A Simular Set Up But Use Hydraulic Adjusters.
Perhaps The Should Raid Some Of The VOR's Ideas They Had Before The Doors Shut,A Nice 97x60.1 450 Motor And A Reveresed Head 250 MX Bike Running Fuel Injection.
Also Had A Pretty Cool Looking 450/530/700 Quad In The Wings Waiting To Be Lauched In 2005.
Lets Not Forget That The VOR Had A Real Narrow Tank And Rads,If We Only Get A Couple Of Things Every Year Or So Let These Be The First.
 
Supermototeam said:
Taffy said:
no way can i see F.I. for next year.
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This may be the first (and only) time that you are incorrect, my friend ;)
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Please Dont Let This Be True,They're Terrible Things Until The Bugs Are Worked Out. 8O
 
KTM didn't lead nothing, Husqvarna had no kick start on their TE's in 04, put them back on in 05. The DR-Z400S has no kick start either. I hope husaberg keeps the K start. the Bike kicks like a dream and that battery will ware down, if you're not carefull.
 
2009

Kez, in order to meet Euro emission standards for 2009, F.I. is almost mandatory.
I agree on the "difficult to sort" part, but we have to start somewhere.
 
RE: 2009

The Jap Motors From The Late '80's And Early '90's Got Very Close To The Old Euro Limits Without The Need For EFI.
Granted They Were Some Of The Most Complicated Carbs In History And Not The Most Performance Orientated Things To
Grace An Infernal Combustion Engine But Why Make Things Complicated With Crap Like Injection?
The ECU Needed To Make A Real Performance Would Be Quite Large,Lots Of Sensors To Go Wrong And Must Not Get The Bike Wet.
 
RE: 2009

After spending some time with Roland at the WEC he hinted on some of the cool stuff they are working on but he said that the mothership (KTM) really keeps limits on what HSB can bring to market.
 
While EFI may sound unnecessarily complicated and potentially unreliable, let us not forget that the Japanese quads are already getting F.I. I have not been hearing horror stories from them and these are machines that are notoriously abused and generally not well maintained, the perfect test bed! So lets not condemn the thing!
 
kez said:
Supermototeam said:
Taffy said:
no way can i see F.I. for next year.
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This may be the first (and only) time that you are incorrect, my friend ;)
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Please Dont Let This Be True,They're Terrible Things Until The Bugs Are Worked Out. 8O
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Actually, aside from the ATK/Cannondale deal, Recent Fuel Injections are spot on...in fact, we have a 4.5i Sherco and the power with that Fuel Injection is so electric smooth, its unbelievable...no mapping issues, no fuss, no muss...buttery smooth. The Sherco and I believe the Gas Gas both use the same injection system that is borrowed from or used on Ducatis. Yamaha will likely have FI on their 450s next year (on their big quads now).just my $0.02
 
Gas Gas uses Magnetti Marelli FI, ALL off-the-shelf components. Mag Mar is the same company that supplies most of Formula One. When was the last time one of those guys went out because his TPS went bad? Probably not in years!

You are all very confused if you don't think it is time for FI. If it was 1988, I would agree the world is not ready. It ain't and we are. Bless this brand for offering FI, and I promise none of you will complain once you have one!!! Wait, you'll still complain, complain that you haven't worked on your bike in months and that your friends can't keep up on the trails!!!!!

Imagine this:
Get home from a long 100mile trail day, hose the bike off, plug in the laptop and download data, go inside and review your whole day's of riding! You'd be able to count the number of revolutions your bike made the whole day! Imagine this conversation with your dealer "...Yeah, the bearing failed on revolution 58,236..."

Welcome to 2007!

-Parsko
 
Regarding EFI.
When R&D was located in Röfors in the late 90's the guys worked on an EFI system that didn't get to the shelfs. So it could probably be introdused right now with all the bugs gone :D

More interesting is the talk about a new 450 engine which I mentioned on the previous page. It is rumored to have a complete new layout of cyl/carb etc. Anyone know anything more ???
 
i don't doubt that FI is where it's at but i was pessemistic that they would change again so quickly.

as far as meeting stringent emmisions go well what can you say when the MJ on the darn things is a 180?

i'm on a 41mm carbed 400 which is the largest carb on the smallest engine yet my main is 145.

mattighofen too stuck up to accept the services of a real carb guru?

methinks so!

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
i don't doubt that FI is where it's at but i was pessemistic that they would change again so quickly.

as far as meeting stringent emmisions go well what can you say when the MJ on the darn things is a 180?

i'm on a 41mm carbed 400 which is the largest carb on the smallest engine yet my main is 145.

mattighofen too stuck up to accept the services of a real carb guru?

methinks so!

regards


Taffy
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You're not running the stock needle, which makes a difference in main jet selection. Custom tapered needles require leaner mains. The stock DVT needle with your main jet would render it useless as that needle has too little taper to ever open the main correctly.

Also, none of the 4 stroke motocycle manufacturers (japanese or euro) run that lean of a main jet on any of their stuff. So, it is just not the Austrians. You could be the jetting guru for the entire MC universe, Taffy. :D
 

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