2007 FE 650, So Far

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steve

that orange lever is a lever from the left bar being UPSIDE DOWN! so just go buy a black lever for your usual left bar manual decomp and that nasty katum rash (is it viral?) will be gone before it gets a chance to spread at looue.

you know it makes sense - they may have to impound you for the weekend if you look at all kinda OOORRRAANNNGGGYYYYYY!

regards

Taffy
 
Its not Orange Taff, its red, and the same colour as the button on the carb it replaced. I can remember now which side its on, because red on the right rhymes nicely. I linished the Orange anodizing off the cap, to the only Orange evidence is under the screw heads, in the countersink. Im living with that, so far.

I did paint the orange 9.7 WP spring yellow to rid the orange from that obvious spot.

Steve
 
G'Day Steve,
Well I am one very very happy camper after our DSMRA ride Sunday. The combination of the heavier springs front and rear and I set my fork compressions out to 20 clicks and the shock low speed compression out to 15 I think ?(I do have it all written down at home) The high speed compression out to 2 1/2 turns. I think I have almost jagged it first go. It was unbelievable Steve. So plush yet so in control. We had 19 riders, with two of them being competitive riders ( they do Finke and Condo and Yellow mountain) and on the very snotty rocky downhills I was able to just blow past them. It was unbelievable, I really surprised myself, and them I think !!! There were two other Berg riders there, one of which is one of the racing blokes. He put me onto the Bergs initially. He has brought himself a 99 Fe600. He went for a ride on my bike and came back shaking his head. He said "I really shouldn't have done that, how plush is that ! And very nice power". He is trying very hard to convince himself that he doesn't need to buy a new 650. Ha ha, how many times have you seen that ? Never go for a ride on a nicely set up bike, or you will want one !!!!! Oh yes, and the steering damper was great as well. I didn't really notice it working until one nice rock !!! It saved me big time. I suspect it saved me quite a lot on the rocky downhills, but you just don't notice it.
There was a nice mix of single track, fire trails, snotty rocky hills, slippery muddy stream crossings and some very fast fire trails. The Berg exceeded my expectations yet again. On the fast section I was chasing an EXC450 and I had an EXC 525 on my tail. The guy in front was going very hard and it was hard to stay out of the roost, but once I had picked my line I took him on the inside around a corner and I didn't see them again until the next stop. They said that when I went past the roost was enormous and the guy on the 525 got hit on top of his helmet by a big stick that I flicked up in the roost and he was 30 m behind at that stage. The Motoz tyre is very good !!!! I hit 147km/h in that section, scary in a forest !!!
OK enough of my enthusiastic ramblings. I would like to get you to view my suspension in action at the AGM if you don't mind, just to confirm that I have it right or to do that last little tweak
You sort of know that you have it right when at the lunch BBQ guys keep walking up to the bike and just looking, not saying anything but just looking.
God bless the Bergs !!!!

Cheers :D
Garry.
 
Sounds great Garry. We'll have a play at the AGM soon. Are you still on a high, or going through withdrawal symptons yet, not having ridden the Berg for a few days now?

Thinking out aloud now, do you think that it might be possible to gain access to the Portland workshop, or similar, for a Force Ride 2008 suspension day on day 1? Once the date is locked down I expect that it won't take much to convince Frank to attend and we could do 4 or 5 Bergs in a day in preparation for the riding, assuming there is an adequate level of interest.

Any thoughts?
Steve
 
Funny you should mention that Steve. Tim, who is the guy from Portland who organised our suspension workshop suggested that we may like to consider the AGM site at Wallerawang as a possible venue for the 2008 Force ride ? Incidentally Tim is looking at buying Wal's bike and is on this site as MEDOGROCKET. He has a dog called Rocket !!! This venue is right in the middle of a pleather of riding areas, as you will find out at the AGM. The only drawback is registered bikes only. So a suspension workshop would be a snack as Tims place at Portland is right next to the AGM site at Wallerawang, as long as Tim is happy for that to happen.

I am still on a high Steve, and I think it will last until the AGM. I had a look at my clicker settings that I recorded and I wasn't quite right in my previous post. I weigh 98kg all up with gear and water.The settings are:
Forks: 4.6 N/mm springs. Compression 18 clicks. Rebound 15 clicks.
Shock: 92/250 spring. Low speed comp 14 clicks. High speed comp 2.5 turns. Rebound 15 clicks. Static sag set to 30mm.
This may help others who are following this thread, judging by the amount of PM's I'm getting on this !


Cheers :D
Garry.
 
suspension workshop

gday Steve and Cafey

That is no problems holding a workshop for the force ride
I spoke to Frank today, he is planning on coming up for the AGM to catch up, try to round up some more business and give some advise and I am trying to convince him to come for a ride as well or possibly the next Bathurst DSMRA ride late August.
I am checking out 3 X 06 550's but all depend on me selling my bike, hopefully at the AGM as I have a DSMRA member interested.
I did a ride today with another DSMRA member (Mal) checking out some more brilliant single tracks for the AGM, I'm sure all will be impressed.

see ya
Tim
P.S I have stopped shouting at you Cafey.
 
Re: suspension workshop

MEDOGROCKET said:
gday Steve and Cafey

That is no problems holding a workshop for the force ride
I spoke to Frank today, he is planning on coming up for the AGM to catch up, try to round up some more business and give some advise and I am trying to convince him to come for a ride as well or possibly the next Bathurst DSMRA ride late August.
I am checking out 3 X 06 550's but all depend on me selling my bike, hopefully at the AGM as I have a DSMRA member interested.
I did a ride today with another DSMRA member (Mal) checking out some more brilliant single tracks for the AGM, I'm sure all will be impressed.

see ya
Tim
P.S I have stopped shouting at you Cafey.

Good stuff Tim, thanks for that mate. We will work on the finer points over an amber ale at the AGM with Steve. Actually you and I can talk about it next Wednesday at our club meeting. It has been bought forward 1 week so we can discuss issues before the AGM.
Ha ha, yes very good Tim, I'm glad to see that your CAPS lock is now off.
Might I suggest that any further discussion on the 2008 Force Ride be had on the Force Ride thread instead of us high-jacking Steve's thread here !!!

Cheers :D
Garry.
 
Hi Gang,

I thought it was time for a bit of an update. I'm currently recuperating from knee surgery and hope to be somewhat rideable again in a few weeks.

Not a real lot to tell really, but after my last ride in August before setting off on my around the world adventure to visit Taffy, I noticed that as i parked the bike in the shed, the bash plate was full of coolant from the weephole! No oil this time. Ah well, park it and worry about it when I get home in a few months.

Still leaking when I got home, no magic fairy fix, so what to do. If you have been following this thread then you may recall that the engine has been split twice by Suttos to fix oil leaks already. The first time I gave them an OrangeBerg kit to fit to hopefully sort that bit, which it did for a while, but did start to leak again and was fixed again as well as the cases and the c/s shaft the second time.

I decided that rather than pull it apart myself, I would take it to Orange and get John and Aiden to have a look. I guess that I was a bit suspicious of how it might have been fitted by Suttos, and it is still under warranty.

I rang John, and he was about to head for Milan, but he reckoned that Aiden would help on the day that worked for me, which happened to be the day John got back from Europe.

Arrived at 09.00 as agreed and Aiden got into it. He discovered that the kit had not been installed correctly which meant that the outer bearing had failed, explaining the extra steel on the sump plug at the last oil change, and allowed the shaft to flail about a bit and stuff the water seal.

A new bearing, carrier, seals and gaskets and all fluids are now contained.

The best part was that even though I was happy to pay, Aiden insisted that he'd sort it through warranty. This is my second experience with Orange KTM and Husaberg, the first being the supply of the wp kit originally, and it won't be my last.

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the genuine service and interest.

So, 3000 km now and the ride continues to be wonderful. If the body cooperates next year I will have to do some more racing, can't wait for a grass track or two.

Steve
 
Hi Steve,
Good to have you back on deck mate, albeit not on the bike yet ! Hope your recuperating is short and you can enjoy your now "leak" free machine !!!
Aiden and John are a wealth of knowledge and experience. I hope Husaberg appreciate them. We certainly do.
Cheers :D
Garry.
 
good luck with the post-op steve, get out there ASAP my man!

Garry
have you ever sat on the bike and done all your sags nice and proper like? you know:

wheels free
standing
you sat on it?

your springs look good the 92 or a 94 look good.

regards

Taffy
 
G'Day Taffy,
Yes we did the sag measurements correctly. As part of the suspension workshop I checked swingarm bearings and shock mounts. All lubed and correctly tensioned. Same with the forks and front end. definitely tensioned the triple clamps to specs. So many guys just do them up way to tight and impede their forks smooth operation !!! We set the shock sag at 30mm on the advice of Frank Pons who does our suspension workshops and is one of Australia's most experienced suspension people. Yamaha don't contract him here for no reason !!! He recommended this for general trail riding and varying conditions. I must admit that I couldn't be happier with the results.
Cheers :D
Garry.
 
aha!

32mm!

i'm on forks

46 and 63mm

shock is 32mm and 93mm.

forks are whacky! but you have to differentiate between 22 and 34mm top out springs.

regards

Taffy
 
Hi Husaberglers,

Just thought I'd let you all know that we rolled over 100 hours last weekend and going great. Not too bad I guess in 13 months considering I had 2 months off with injury and 2 months off travelling OS, so 9 months for 100 hrs and 3700 km.

As discussed in this thread, a few hiccups with oil leaks from the crankcase join and the countershaft bush eventually sorted by Suttos and the chronic water pump shaft issues were fixed by OrangeBerg with one of his kits.

All routine maintenance otherwise, with Delo 400 and the only wearing part replaced so far apart from tyres a number of times and brake pads is a countershaft sprocket. FYI I go through 4 c/s sprockets, 2 chains and 1 Chaingang sprocket per cycle, so chain is now about 1/2 worn.

Nothing else to report really, goes fantastic, suspension is a dream and I'm looking forward to the next few hundred hours

One of my favourite things is the expression people have on their faces after they test ride, with the view generally being something like, "How easy is this to ride, but how freaking faaast is it?' Trouble can come up quickly as it changes your frame of reference. It just consumes 450s. I test rode an original RFS 250 EXC last Sunday that had a 450 piston for 350. A sweet bike but it was in 6th before the 650 was out of second, a real revbox.

Cheers
Steve
 
G'Day Steve,
Nice work mate, 100 hrs and going strong.
I haven't been on mine for a while now as water skiing has taken precedence, but I'm getting very keen for a ride now !
Cheers :D
Garry
 
Hi Bergers,

Just thought I'd update this blog with some recent activity. As some of you are aware I had some knee surgery late last year, 3rd time, which meant I didn't ride as much as I'd like and in May this year I dislocated the same knee and snapped the ACL and some other damage. Had a reconstruction 3 weeks ago, it couldn't be sooner as natural healing had to happen first, and am now on the mend with physio every day etc etc.

In an attempt to get the bike even more comfortable and work with my knees I've swapped the modded Force adjustable pegs for some Fastways. I also set them up in a vice and took some measurements, the Fastways end up 12 mm back and 8 mm down. No more guesses, this is what it is.

Some pics in my gallery,
http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?set_a ... php&page=4

I think that I may pad my seat up even higher too to take some more stress off the knees, mind you it'll be April/May 2009 before I can ride again. Force Ride 2009 for the comeback perhaps?

Also based on MegDogRocket's and Cafey18's efforts I've acquired a different thermo switch for the fan to reduce the running time and consequent battery load.

http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?set_a ... _photo.php

A previous thread,
http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?name= ... h&start=15

Tridon options,
http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5125

You'll note that the bike is dusty in the pics, unfortunately not because I tested it, but my brother has and his report is good.

Hanging for my next test ride, just 159 sleeps to go!

Cheers
Steve
 
So, I've managed a couple of easy rides now and the surgeon isn't happy. In the meantime I've had a couple of goes at repadding the seat to make life easier again for my knees.

Some pics are here in my gallery:
http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?set_a ... _album.php

The new seat is now about 30 mm higher than the factory high which is itself about 25 mm higher than the standard one.

After a couple of attempts with different foam and shapes,, I ended up using the original foam from my 501 and cut and sanded the underside to create a saddle out of it that fitted nicely onto the top of the standard seat. Bit of fitting at the back and its all good.

the extra height makes life much easier for the knees and being flatter its easier to get forward. Being wider also helps as the transition to the tank width is less. And the old Berg foam is as comfortable as ever.

Recommended if you are tall and/or have dodgy knees. I can still sit on the seat and have both feet flat on the ground so perhaps it could go higher yet, but in combination with the pegs and bars it works well for me, better than ever in fact. Just got to get the body working better than ever now :roll:

These knees are also causing me further expense. As much as I love my ZX9r, its now too cramped in the leg and playing with the seat compromises the ergos with the pegs and bars. So its now for sale and I collect a GTR1400, or Concours in the USA, today.

Retire in a month, so i'll have some time to ride it.

Steve
 
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i'm only 5' 10" steve and i find this seat very comfortable. i have very strong springs yet still have no problems with it. and long deep ruts are a doddle as the footpegs are set so high.

regards

Taffy
 
Ok, time for another update.

160 hrs and 5714 km. Should be more by now, but unfortunately my old body isn't always capable of late!

Both wp seals, ie coolant and oil, were weeping so I got the latest version of Orangeberg's kit to put in. I also had previously got a cam chain kit and a DVSK from Taffy in anticipation of putting them in sometime. So now seemed like a good time, as its been a bit hot for too much riding of late, mid 30s most days, so why not some shed time?.

I also got some new valve stem seals, cam bearings and roller followers while it was apart.

Pull the rocker cover and it all looks and feels like brand new, a good start.

Pull the cam chain tensioner and its on 17 of 20 clicks, at what appears to be 1 mm clicks. Looks like the cam chain is due. Its also loose on the cam sprocket, so definitely due.

Ground the pins off a link on the original DID endless chain after stuffing the tunnel with some rags using a Dremel. Easy!

Pulled the head and couldn't believe that there was no carbon buildup. A wipe with the finger in the combustion chamber and on the piston and its down to aluminium! Good jetting perhaps?

Pull valves and all look perfect. Test fit new springs and no material to be removed, so quick lap, and reassemble with new stem seals. Test fit rocker cover and some material needs to be removed, so Dremel to the rescue again.

Debate with myself whether to change what appear to be perfect roller followers and cam bearings, and decided to put the originals back, so now I have some spare bearings in the shed for next time. Hmmm.

Pull the clutch cover and setup the wp kit. The existing bearing is OK, so its just the seals gone. A new, bigger bearing is with the new kit anyway. Put a new reed valve in as they are cheap, and the 501 used to wear them out, but the original looked fine.

Everything else under the cover looks pristine too, nice!

Pull the DID chain out and feed the IWIS in. No need to rotate the crank as I've got the clutch cover off. FYI crank end float is about + 0.5 mm.

Reassemble the top end with new head gasket. 3 clicks on the cam chain tensioner now, and its tight over the cam sprocket. Nice!

Put clutch cover on and it won't pull up the last 1/2 mm. Bugger! Stuff about, but have to pull the clutch and find the kick start return spring has slipped, so fix that and the cover now tightens up nicely. Must have slipped when pulling the cover. Note to self, apply pressure to kick start shaft if and when removing cover again. No sealant on the gasket, just a new one with a smear of HT grease.

Nearly ready to go, but I couldn't resist finding out what my jetting is. Some posts previously, mention the dyno work I had done, and there is a plot in my gallery of an apparent 63 dynojet hp. Whatever, the work also included a muffler end cap mod opened out to 47 mm ID with perforated straight through tube. Throaty, but OK, and I don't like noisy bikes. On Carl's dyno with the Lineaweaver jet kit installed and the stock muffler it showed 33 hp. When he finished it was 43 hp, almost 1/3 increase.

Using my jet drills as a gauge, where relevant, the carb is setup as follows.
MAJ 190-200
PAJ 3/8 t or say 55
R&D Flex pilot screw 1 3/8
main 150-155
pilot 40
start 85
Lineaweaver needle 6/7 from top
ap 0.2 mm stroke

Fresh coolant and oil and it coughs on the first kick, fluffs a bit the next couple and dies and then settles into a nice quiet idle on the 5th kick.

10 min shakedown and back to the shed to check for leaks, and none to see, I'll let it cool, and write this post while it does. Next is crack the coolant bleed in the head again, and do another 10 mins and then dump the oil and filter.

Should be good to good for heaps more of my riding pleasure.

Thanks to Taffy and OrangeBerg for their work on coming up with their upgrades.

Nearly beer o'clock!

Cheers
Steve

PS
For sale, conical valve springs, only 160 hrs! Appear to be in perfect condition, and mostly only used on Sundays.
 
great write up steve!

points i'd make...

sparks and i found dale's needle hopelessly rich and had it on clip 1. that's the clip nearest the top making the needle as lean as possible.

hopefully you'll find the bike quieter now as well.

regards

Taffy
 
I like the DVSK

not sure how the new orange berg kit works steve but if it runs a seal on the intermediate shaft you can file a 45 deg champher on the sharp lip to make reinstalling the clutch cover easier
 

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