1999 won´s start - Ignition Problem

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Just had a thought had a VOR in the workshop about a year ago with a backfiring problem,owner had been riding and bike had just died on him, loads of head scratching. Turned out it had a cracked piston
 
Jetting

Hello
Try this jetting it works in my 501 -99 and i bought a used carb from a 600 -99 and it was jetted the same way.
Needle K51
Atomizer DR272
Pilotjet 33
Startjet 40
Mainjet 185
Had same probs as you with mine bike until i rejetted it.
And Nippion Denso Iridium of course.
Starts in 2-3 kicks when -7 and warm on first even when stalled in the woods.

Regards
Jampe
 
Thank you Jampe,

I will check the carb for the jetting
(In my 600/98 i used a DR268..saves fuel, runs without disadvantage for me.
and a Iridium of course)

At the moment is a new NGK spark plug in, but I have a IX24 in stock.

hope i find time at the end of the week for it.

what me makes perplex is the bike was running 20 min and then stopped.
So I searched for a sudden failure.

But I think I have to push this out of my head and check all.
 
my bike became difficult to start very suddenly and after a lot of messing about i changed the neeldle and needle jet, they didnt appear worn at all but it cured it, same size parts just new!
 
hello,

tomorrow I can meet the bike again.

Just now I have a new expertise!

look in the 1999 parts manual:

the replaced CDI which is in the bike with part number 25021701 is for a 600 FEE!
But it is a FE600.
The right for a FE501/600 kickstarter is 2502162.

The owner manual says:
FEE: right mark on the flywheel is aligned to the stator mark.

FE: left mark...

Now my consideration:

we all know, the marks are wrong, the true mark is right from the genuine right mark.

So the distance is nearly 10 mm for the FE Kickstart.

With the FEE right mark, it is not possible to turn the stator far enough for 10 mm distance, (long holes ..)

Has this the result, that the ignition point is to early?

What is the difference of the both CDI Coils?
How long can the CDI the ignition timing point change (early or late)?
 
so the FE mark now is not the left mark but the middle mark? 1mm of movement can be either 2d or 4d. usually nothing at all. i can move the ignition 4 times and nothing happens, then on the 5th time the ignition has moved 15-20 degrees. crazy!

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
so the FE mark now is not the left mark but the middle mark? 1mm of movement can be either 2d or 4d. usually nothing at all. i can move the ignition 4 times and nothing happens, then on the 5th time the ignition has moved 15-20 degrees. crazy!

regards

Taffy
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Taffy, I think this helps me not on.

Flywheel has 3 marks:
left: TDC, usable for kickstart models.
middle: genuine right: BTDC, usable for E-Start models.
new right: because the marks are wrong.

But the question is if and how is a difference between the
FEE600: 25021701 CDI
and the
FE600: 25021602 CDI,

accroding to the marks.
 
Remember, the CDI has different maps. this can alter where you are seeing the spark, on some modern 2 i have worked onit can advance/****** according to the RPM's it is picking up. So, my uneducated guess is that due to the electric start actually being a 're-start', at low rpms it may make the bike easier to start, or i could be wrong and it could be the other way round for ickstart, if you get my drift.
the 08 scorpa 250 4t had a cdi that did just that,

any idea sparks?
 
Today "high noon":

I opend the valve covers, checked how something is wrong with the timing.
Looks all good.

turn the stator back to "mostly late" in the long holes.

Then I opend the carb.

Damn, raunchy!

All brass parts are green!
The jetting was mostly stock i mean, MJ195. DR268, K51 #3, ...
but the needle was "moldy".
I put the carb. out, and fit my one, which was left over from the 501.
Was lying in the cellor since 2005

Changed the choke lever (mine war for bowden cable).

OK, some fuel from the separate tank...

First trial:
2 slow kicks with choke, chocke back, one kick.

Bob-bob-bob says the SPES exhaust deply to me! :toothy10:


What a pleasure!!


thanks to all people here for helping, Taffy, Sparks, and all the others.!

But it is illogical!

The dirty carb. can´t be the reason for the engine stop 3 years before.

The bike runs after engine rebuilding.
Nothing was changed or repaired since them.

3 Years later i put a clean and maintained carb. in and the engine starts immediatly.

A case for harry poter?

a timebomb?

Now I think I will bye that "youngtimer"

regards,
armin
 
FE600 hope it's not a time bomb ;)

Hi Armin,

i bought your FE600.
I guess it's the FE you talking about in this threat.
I'll hope that i have not bought an timebomb ;)

At the moment the bike is running pretty good.
I spent new wheels, new kicker-arm an some other things.
I hope the berg will attend me for the next years without big problems.

Hey ho let's go

Stephan
 
He fordperfect,

yes, now you know the hole story about the bike.

You´ve got a fine bike - but not a new bike.

make your own gallery and send some pictures from your updates, please!

BTW: new wheels or only new tires?
The rims are more than ok 8O
 

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