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Yup. The only ones that reply other than You seem to like it up the %$$ from Taffy. LOL
I cant believe some users actually think it is ok for Taffy to treat people like **** and then not ok for the user to defend and try to stop him.
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I have a feeling I'm not the only one who thinks that this forum has been more about you than Taffy the last week (and more about this grudge than technical knowledge). So many new threads started about, more or less, the same topic. Yes the topic is Taffy but it's you who keep it going FE350.
And please do not conclude that just because one doesn't support you one is taking side with Taffy. I'm here for the technical stuff, not to read about hurt feelings.
Please take it to PM. Either to Taffy or to the moderator. Do not try to involve the rest of the forum. We can see if anyone is mean to us and we handle it our own ways. We don't need you to high light or remind us day after day. I don't understand where you want all this to lead? Ban Taffy? Ban you? Get the rest of the forum on "your side" so you get bigger e-penis? Get your revenge on Taffy for getting hurt by turning the forum against him? If all you wanted was to inform us about his business and about his behavior you did it the first day.
What you also have managed is to derail a few threads and also make most of this forum about you and your grudge against Taffy. I'm sure I'm not alone to not care because it simply doesn't matter to me.
And please do not conclude that just because one doesn't support you one is taking side with Taffy. I'm here for the technical stuff, not to read about hurt feelings.
Please take it to PM. Either to Taffy or to the moderator. Do not try to involve the rest of the forum. We can see if anyone is mean to us and we handle it our own ways. We don't need you to high light or remind us day after day. I don't understand where you want all this to lead? Ban Taffy? Ban you? Get the rest of the forum on "your side" so you get bigger e-penis? Get your revenge on Taffy for getting hurt by turning the forum against him? If all you wanted was to inform us about his business and about his behavior you did it the first day.
What you also have managed is to derail a few threads and also make most of this forum about you and your grudge against Taffy. I'm sure I'm not alone to not care because it simply doesn't matter to me.
My problem with what you are doing has nothing to do with taffy. I joined a week ago after buying my berg. To my joy i find your five or six or ten whatever threads about him. I have stopped going to many forums because of childish bickering like this. Let the people who he offends defend themselves, we dont need you to be a hero and make the forum look like a bunch of bickering brats. And no, i didnt vote in your stupid troll poll.
I've only been trolled by 2 people on this forum:
1) Taffy
2)FE350
You're just more subtle about it. I had to delete/edit a post in polska's oil thread because you pissed me off one time too many by saying that anyone that had my opinion about using diesel oil in a gas engine is 'cheap'. Let me say this dude, if you said that to my face, you might want to brush your remaining teeth after I used your face to swat flies off a [emoji90].
See what everyone is trying to tell you here? Let it go. I have. I feel much better about it already now that I got that off my chest and fessed up that I wanted to kill you a couple days ago [emoji88]
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1) Taffy
2)FE350
You're just more subtle about it. I had to delete/edit a post in polska's oil thread because you pissed me off one time too many by saying that anyone that had my opinion about using diesel oil in a gas engine is 'cheap'. Let me say this dude, if you said that to my face, you might want to brush your remaining teeth after I used your face to swat flies off a [emoji90].
See what everyone is trying to tell you here? Let it go. I have. I feel much better about it already now that I got that off my chest and fessed up that I wanted to kill you a couple days ago [emoji88]
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Sorry was not trying to state anyone was cheap. Just making note that the only reason someone uses diesel oil is to save money and that's fact. It is cheap as per the 20 dollar price tag. This has been a long going debate on tons of motorcycle forums. I do have a right to comment and give advise as the reason of the forums. I don't condone you for using this oil, I just like to state all facts about such use as I noted for those who might trip onto it as a newbee. I do apologize if I offended but I will always make note and or quote to what I believe in. I also agree it is good to get things off your chest but as for the comment you made prior that, this is not cool a please don't comment like that, yes you have the right to say as you please but threats and or comments like that are very ****** as you have no idea who I am to comment such.
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LMAO Ned, Yes we all try and save money as sometimes it is hard to come by. I have used Comet Cleaner to seat rings in my engines to save the time in pulling apart and honing lol. It worked and by no means was a correct fix but it does work. What ever can work for you and save money is always a good thing. I do think that Recluse has removed the use of diesel oil from their guidelines due to warranty issue with the manufactures as it became a liability to them, I might be wrong but do think that was the case.
FE350....
Wow. Really? That's what you have to say?
'Just making note that THE ONLY REASON someone uses diesel oil IS TO SAVE MONEY AND THATS A FACT'.
Ok, show me your FACT. Back up what you just said with some research, the entire human knowledge is at your fingertips called the Internet.
'I do have the right to comment and give advise as the reason of the forums'
Yes you do, as long as you are careful about what you are saying in your comments. You need to know that not everyone is going to accept your comments or advise as being accurate and especially when you can't back it up with 'facts'. Facts as known only by you are "opinions".
'I don't condone you for using this oil, I just like to state all facts'
I don't need your permission to use 'the oil', and I want to see your 'facts' so start producing some. Again, the Internet is the biggest encyclopedia of all time. I'm sure you can find SOMETHING to back up your claims. You know, like I did?
'I also agree it is good to get things off your chest but as for comment you made prior to that, this is not cool a please don't comment like that, yes you have the right to say as you please but threats and or comments like that are very ****** as you have no idea who I am to comment such'
Just stating a 'fact' little buddy. Kind of like yours. For every action there is a reaction. And trying to point out to you the same thing you are: you know nothing about me. If I was standing in front of you you would have to be an extreme bad ass to call me cheap to my face and be the one still standing after I react to what comes out of your mouth. So I'm just reacting to what is coming off your keyboard right now. And yes, what I said is very '******'. I'm not so subtle. I call it like I see it. If you don't see it then I have some advice for you: maybe you shouldn't try so hard to force your opinion on people, and especially when you can't back it up with those 'facts' you are saying over and over you have. So I'm calling you on that FE. Show your facts. Do it right here, or go back to polska's thread and do it there.
And while we are on that subject, polska asked you for the exact same thing: facts. You use that word a lot FE350: 'facts'. Let's see them. Put up or shut up. Or you are just a troll trying to make people mad. If you can't see that you have absolutely no business being on this or any other discussion forum because you don't seem to understand the unspoken rules...."pics or it didn't happen". Have you heard that before?
So show us your facts about "diesel" oil will destroy a gas engine (even though said "diesel" oil has an API rating saying it is acceptable for use in gasoline engines).
Show us 'facts' that using that very same "diesel" oil in a motorcycle or gas powered automobile will void the warranty, even when that "diesel" oil has the exact API ratings and viscosity rating that said manufacturer has specified to use in the vehicle.
There's more but let's start there FE350. Let's SEE YOUR EVIDENCE.
If you don't want me, or anyone else for that matter to view you as a troll it's time to "put your money where your mouth is" and show us all these 'facts' you keep saying over and over in your posts.
And FYI, if you are going to quote another users post, refute what that user has said, and not have any actual facts to back up your ****, then you are the very definition of what an internet troll is.
Ok, let's see what you got. And if you can't find your 'facts' coming from a bonafide source then you need to shut the f__k up and apologize.
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Wow. Really? That's what you have to say?
'Just making note that THE ONLY REASON someone uses diesel oil IS TO SAVE MONEY AND THATS A FACT'.
Ok, show me your FACT. Back up what you just said with some research, the entire human knowledge is at your fingertips called the Internet.
'I do have the right to comment and give advise as the reason of the forums'
Yes you do, as long as you are careful about what you are saying in your comments. You need to know that not everyone is going to accept your comments or advise as being accurate and especially when you can't back it up with 'facts'. Facts as known only by you are "opinions".
'I don't condone you for using this oil, I just like to state all facts'
I don't need your permission to use 'the oil', and I want to see your 'facts' so start producing some. Again, the Internet is the biggest encyclopedia of all time. I'm sure you can find SOMETHING to back up your claims. You know, like I did?
'I also agree it is good to get things off your chest but as for comment you made prior to that, this is not cool a please don't comment like that, yes you have the right to say as you please but threats and or comments like that are very ****** as you have no idea who I am to comment such'
Just stating a 'fact' little buddy. Kind of like yours. For every action there is a reaction. And trying to point out to you the same thing you are: you know nothing about me. If I was standing in front of you you would have to be an extreme bad ass to call me cheap to my face and be the one still standing after I react to what comes out of your mouth. So I'm just reacting to what is coming off your keyboard right now. And yes, what I said is very '******'. I'm not so subtle. I call it like I see it. If you don't see it then I have some advice for you: maybe you shouldn't try so hard to force your opinion on people, and especially when you can't back it up with those 'facts' you are saying over and over you have. So I'm calling you on that FE. Show your facts. Do it right here, or go back to polska's thread and do it there.
And while we are on that subject, polska asked you for the exact same thing: facts. You use that word a lot FE350: 'facts'. Let's see them. Put up or shut up. Or you are just a troll trying to make people mad. If you can't see that you have absolutely no business being on this or any other discussion forum because you don't seem to understand the unspoken rules...."pics or it didn't happen". Have you heard that before?
So show us your facts about "diesel" oil will destroy a gas engine (even though said "diesel" oil has an API rating saying it is acceptable for use in gasoline engines).
Show us 'facts' that using that very same "diesel" oil in a motorcycle or gas powered automobile will void the warranty, even when that "diesel" oil has the exact API ratings and viscosity rating that said manufacturer has specified to use in the vehicle.
There's more but let's start there FE350. Let's SEE YOUR EVIDENCE.
If you don't want me, or anyone else for that matter to view you as a troll it's time to "put your money where your mouth is" and show us all these 'facts' you keep saying over and over in your posts.
And FYI, if you are going to quote another users post, refute what that user has said, and not have any actual facts to back up your ****, then you are the very definition of what an internet troll is.
Ok, let's see what you got. And if you can't find your 'facts' coming from a bonafide source then you need to shut the f__k up and apologize.
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LMAO. Facts are posted. Facts are posted by oil manufactures, Facts are that bulk diesel oil is cheap and that is fact. Just because we don't share the same opinion does not mean that one must listen to you or listen to I, but we both have the opportunity to give are advise. If you don't like mine than don't take it, I sure wont use your advise as I am sure you are to cheap. I don't take well to threats and just because you don't like my comments does not give you the right to have a hissy fit. You may choose to act like a small child and have a temper tantrum as you did prior but please piss off with this threatening behind a computer **** as it proves nothing but you act like a spoiled child who did not get their way. I don't have to prove nothing to you and or copy and paste **** as I mostly give my own info as I am confident of my knowledge. As for warranty info lol. This has been most of my life working at dealerships as a master technician and with that said I have put forward many voids into warranty claims on engine failure and that is fact lol. So take the time and pick up a phone and call a dealership and ask them if your machine still has its warranty after using a diesel oil and see what they say. They will tell you to use THE APPROVED oil that they told you to use when you purchased the machine not that it must say JASO and or API but what they recommended as some manufactures have their own standard that aftermarket oil companies latter add to their company. One is Dexos and GM. Only GM sold the oil and if you didn't use it then your warranty was void and that's fact buddy. Nobody made this oil but GM who added the additive. Now Pennzoil and others make it. but I guess you listened to the advise form forum site users over the product manufacture who actually gives the warranty *******. It is fact that Commercial Diesel oils such as Rotella have special additives for compression engines that run cooler over spark engines that are lower and hotter. They have additives that create a coating on cylinder walls and will allow blow by on spark engine. This is fact. I am not going to continue to try and force this down your throat, I just wanted to give advise to other users such like you who read something and fly to it and ensure they know the reasons diesel oils are rated for diesels. I also made note that saving a dollar can cost you in the long run. You can not replace quantity for quality and you get what you pay for is all and that's fact also.
Oh and who to you is a bonafide source the internet what is made up of peoples ideas and mostly lies, I bet you believe in all the spam sales pitches your inbox gets? Talk to your dealer and or the manufacture as that is who will give you the correct info, not a bunch of guys testing different ideas. Yes you might win and find a oil like Rotella that works but mostly you will find issues. Something that came up earlier was Recluse giving advise on using diesel oil. Allot of people used the oil but without concern that the manufacture might have an issue as they trusted Recluse. Well the fact that Recluse screwed up and no longer will recommend this shows you something. Why does Recluse no longer advise this? Liability is why. A small company like Recluse does not have the resources to test and study the outcomes as it would put them in the red, so they do fast test and go with it without concern until one person has an issue and the dealer makes a note of an issue. Guessing and experimenting will sometimes get results but can also be costly and this I my main point. I don't want to see any new users on this forum screw something up based on a guess. I will give advise from my eyes to give an option as well and will not stop giving my advise based on you telling me to, so you can F off to buddy.
Oh and who to you is a bonafide source the internet what is made up of peoples ideas and mostly lies, I bet you believe in all the spam sales pitches your inbox gets? Talk to your dealer and or the manufacture as that is who will give you the correct info, not a bunch of guys testing different ideas. Yes you might win and find a oil like Rotella that works but mostly you will find issues. Something that came up earlier was Recluse giving advise on using diesel oil. Allot of people used the oil but without concern that the manufacture might have an issue as they trusted Recluse. Well the fact that Recluse screwed up and no longer will recommend this shows you something. Why does Recluse no longer advise this? Liability is why. A small company like Recluse does not have the resources to test and study the outcomes as it would put them in the red, so they do fast test and go with it without concern until one person has an issue and the dealer makes a note of an issue. Guessing and experimenting will sometimes get results but can also be costly and this I my main point. I don't want to see any new users on this forum screw something up based on a guess. I will give advise from my eyes to give an option as well and will not stop giving my advise based on you telling me to, so you can F off to buddy.
FE350, I can see that you aren't understanding what I asked for. Let me give you an example:
Question: is Shell Rotella T6 "diesel" oil acceptable for use in gasoline engines? Answer:
See in the first photo "gasoline engines". This oil has received the API rating "SM". The answer is YES THIS OIL IS AS GOOD AS ANY RECEIVING THE SERVICE RATING "SM".
Next question: is Shell Rotella T6 exceptable for use in a 2007 BMW K1200GT motorcycle?
This is from a 07 BMW K1200GT owners manual. API service rating "SG" and JASO "MA", viscosity 10W-40 is what the manufacturer has specified. Any oil receiving this (or higher) service level is acceptable to BMW and will not void the warranty.
Here we have what the service ratings mean and note the wording
"For automotive engines the latest ILSAC standard or API Service Category INCLUDES THE PERFORMANCE PROPERTIES OF EACH EARLIER CATEGORY AND CAN BE USED TO SERVICE OLDER ENGINES WHERE EARLIER CATEGORY OILS WERE RECOMMENDED..."
So S(H-I-J-K-M -N) can all be used to replace the obsolete category "SG".
For the JASO MA rating required for the 07 BMW, go back to photo #1 T6 oil specs.
Under "specifications, approvals, and ratings" you will find JASO: DH2, MA.
And so Shell Rotella T6 meets the following specifications and ratings:
05W-40 viscosity
API SM
JASO MA
So the answer to the second question: YES, Shell Rotella T6 MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BMW TO NOT VOID THE WARRANTY.
Now that you have an example of how to present FACTS on an Internet discussion forum, it's all yours. You can use photos of Internet google searched genuine API and A&S cycles, an authorized BMW dealer kind enough to provide free owners manual downloads) websites like I have, or you can provide Internet address links, or you can even Cut and Paste, ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN BLAH-BLAH-BLAH WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR BRAIN. Because those convince no one about anything my friend.
Balls in your court. Let's see some facts. If you don't know how at this point you have absolutely no business trying to refute anything that someone else says on the internet because once again, the definition of an Internet troll is someone who starts stating BS and refuting someone else's opinions with no facts.
Prove me wrong FE350. Show everybody your facts. If you can't then once again...
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE F__CK UP AND APOLOGIZE. If you can't do that then [emoji867]Troll . Don't ever quote one of my posts again.
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Question: is Shell Rotella T6 "diesel" oil acceptable for use in gasoline engines? Answer:
See in the first photo "gasoline engines". This oil has received the API rating "SM". The answer is YES THIS OIL IS AS GOOD AS ANY RECEIVING THE SERVICE RATING "SM".
Next question: is Shell Rotella T6 exceptable for use in a 2007 BMW K1200GT motorcycle?
This is from a 07 BMW K1200GT owners manual. API service rating "SG" and JASO "MA", viscosity 10W-40 is what the manufacturer has specified. Any oil receiving this (or higher) service level is acceptable to BMW and will not void the warranty.
Here we have what the service ratings mean and note the wording
"For automotive engines the latest ILSAC standard or API Service Category INCLUDES THE PERFORMANCE PROPERTIES OF EACH EARLIER CATEGORY AND CAN BE USED TO SERVICE OLDER ENGINES WHERE EARLIER CATEGORY OILS WERE RECOMMENDED..."
So S(H-I-J-K-M -N) can all be used to replace the obsolete category "SG".
For the JASO MA rating required for the 07 BMW, go back to photo #1 T6 oil specs.
Under "specifications, approvals, and ratings" you will find JASO: DH2, MA.
And so Shell Rotella T6 meets the following specifications and ratings:
05W-40 viscosity
API SM
JASO MA
So the answer to the second question: YES, Shell Rotella T6 MEETS OR EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BMW TO NOT VOID THE WARRANTY.
Now that you have an example of how to present FACTS on an Internet discussion forum, it's all yours. You can use photos of Internet google searched genuine API and A&S cycles, an authorized BMW dealer kind enough to provide free owners manual downloads) websites like I have, or you can provide Internet address links, or you can even Cut and Paste, ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN BLAH-BLAH-BLAH WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR BRAIN. Because those convince no one about anything my friend.
Balls in your court. Let's see some facts. If you don't know how at this point you have absolutely no business trying to refute anything that someone else says on the internet because once again, the definition of an Internet troll is someone who starts stating BS and refuting someone else's opinions with no facts.
Prove me wrong FE350. Show everybody your facts. If you can't then once again...
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE F__CK UP AND APOLOGIZE. If you can't do that then [emoji867]Troll . Don't ever quote one of my posts again.
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You sure like to hear yourself talk LMAO [emoji23]
Go read my latest post in polska's oil thread. I took your suggestion, I called the dealership where I bought my latest bike. Sorry but your contention is not what I was told at all. I was told I can do my own service using and I quote "...any brand oil with the API service rating and JASO rating as stated in your owner's manual including oils with diesel ratings. It just must conform to the API and JASO."
Just as I thought.
I think anyone questioning FE350's ideas regarding voiding warranty can call their own dealer and undoubtably receive the same basic info I just got. Maybe not if you unfortunately bought your vehicle at whatever dealership FE350 works at as they seem to be kind of a shady pass-the-buck rip-off outfit with no honor/integrity [emoji848][emoji33][emoji24]
Ok, I'm done with this matter troll boy. I gave you opportunity to make things right between us, I think I've proven my point to anyone paying attention, and I'm still waiting for the proof you don't have to show you aren't a troll. Trolls push opinions with out backing it up and target individuals using derogatory terms and insinuations. I think anyone reading polska's oil thread can see that YOU, FE350, met that criteria when you went overboard to quote, refute, and insinuate I and anyone else like me is a cheapskate and have no other reason to do what we do. Several times. Or am I just being 'like a small child' about that? I don't see much difference between you and Taffy other than at least Taffy knows when he needs to back off, even if he can't find it in himself to apologize.
I consider this matter closed if you have nothing else to say besides more trash talk.
PLEASE NOTE:
I will never again quote your posts or mention your username again and I will ask you to respectfully do likewise. I will also refrain from posting in any thread that you are the OP. We can agree to disagree and show that we have class by following these guidelines.
But my suspicion is I will be the subject of a thread you start, taking a poll about me, because that's the kind of thing trolls do [emoji15]
I will apologize for threats and that's only because you missed the point in my 1st post that that was humor. The 2nd post about face-to-face wasn't humor and that was a promise not a threat. You can take your disrespect elsewhere little man.
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PEI that's Sorta what I was getting at 
Best to stay with what is asks for.
And as for ********, I bet your voting for Trump lmao. First of all it wasn't your post and it was Polska's so **** u and don't ever tell me where to post *******. Second thing, you are in my post right now, so why the hell is that *******. Yes no winner here and nothing to prove but just for the fun of it I had to comment. My opinion is mine and it will always be that way and you cant force it otherwise. But I can always post it!
Best to stay with what is asks for. And as for ********, I bet your voting for Trump lmao. First of all it wasn't your post and it was Polska's so **** u and don't ever tell me where to post *******. Second thing, you are in my post right now, so why the hell is that *******. Yes no winner here and nothing to prove but just for the fun of it I had to comment. My opinion is mine and it will always be that way and you cant force it otherwise. But I can always post it!
Ok so the matter isn't closed since the trash talk has reached the peak intelligence level of your troll mentality.
Thank you for making my day by doing EXACTLY what I figured you would and....
THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR TROLL STATUS!!!!!!!
I accept your 'facts' stated in the last post as proof positive that you are a troll, and thanks for taking the bait hook, line and sinker!!!
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case [emoji23]
Walked right into that one troll boy. "He who laughs last laughs best."
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Thank you for making my day by doing EXACTLY what I figured you would and....
THANKS FOR PROVING YOUR TROLL STATUS!!!!!!!
I accept your 'facts' stated in the last post as proof positive that you are a troll, and thanks for taking the bait hook, line and sinker!!!
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case [emoji23]
Walked right into that one troll boy. "He who laughs last laughs best."
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PEI that's Sorta what I was getting at
And as for ********, I bet your voting for Trump lmao. First of all it wasn't your post and it was Polska's so **** u and don't ever tell me where to post *******. Second thing, you are in my post right now, so why the hell is that *******. Yes no winner here and nothing to prove but just for the fun of it I had to comment. My opinion is mine and it will always be that way and you cant force it otherwise. But I can always post it!
Let's record that beauty in all its troll glory for all mankind to enjoy for future generations. I gave you some time to delete it but now you can't lol!
Shoulda made the deal. So how stupid would you like me to make you look?
Drum roll...................................
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Hey, I have a question about this post:
Are u attending Trolls Anonymous meetings? Is this an attempt at Step 9 or haven't you admitted (Step 1) yet? Kinda vague there [emoji848]
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