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Suggestions for water proofing?

Joined Feb 2007
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Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Hey folks,
Hitting some pretty big puddles and stream crossings today. Not quite deep enough to swamp her but she definitely breathed a bit in ( stalling, sputtering, backfiring, etc.).

Any suggestions on how to make her a little more water proof?
 
Sometimes water can get in from under the front part of the seat and soak the foam.
On my frame, just above the air filter, I have a triangular piece of foam glued into place that acts as a dam.
Now any water runs down and flows to either side of the filter.
 
Some norwegian dude showed us the trick and there is a photo linked to the DOC that shows how a ring of blue sealant above the filter on the beam does the trick and prevent water from trickling down into the carb boot.
 
Is it coming in through the air filter or being sucked up through the carb breather tubes.
I had a similar poblem and routed the tubes up and under the tank. End of problem.

Bill
 
I did a more thorough search on the site and the two common suggestions are :
1. Daming the top of the air filter by adding foam or silicon to the frame under the tank, and
2. Rerouting breather hoses on the carb to higher locations

I will investigate further and give them a try!
thanks
 
sorry steve but you have made a mistake there mate.

your first port of call is your carb vent. this is the first thing to do. you must T-junction each breather pipe (if you don't go to a single as i suggest in the doc) and feed one down as normal and the other up to the headstock and then do a U-turn so the exit still points down at your feet.

silison all connections under the tank would be next. then dam the air filter (cursing is advised). the engine breather has nothing to do with it.

BTW, had to check your profile and all old posts to find what you ride so please put it in your signature if you could.

hope this helps - it's all in the doc somewhere.

regards

Taffy
 
Hey Taffy,
Yes I agree - I typed "breather" but meant "vent".
How did you go about joining them all together? A series of "T"s? Any pics? I am curious.
Good tips - thanks
 
HI Steve,

If you have a close look at your venting system you will see that there are two vents, each with a T to give two hoses for each vent.

Fryguy commented on this quite a while back, and I have had the same problem crossing streams. An easy experiment to prove this out: Start your bike and let it warm up to where it will idle with the choke off. Take a cup of water and insert your vent tubes into the water. It won't be long and your motor will die.

The solution, just take one vent tube from the T on each vent and run it up higher on the frame. Fryguy commented "it makes the bike into a submarine" or something very close to that.

I would however, put a bit of thought into it though. In a tip over gas will run into the vent tubes. By leaving one end lower any gas that get's into the tubes that you have run up the frame will run back down to the T, and then out the bottom tube. HOWEVER, there is the reality that gas will flow out the hose that is mounted high on the frame in a tip over. I have concerns about that gas running down on top of the motor, especially on the header pipes, which wil glow red hot if the bike is being run slowly. Any gas hitting that red hot metal and it will catch on fire, under your gas tank. Not a pretty picture to say the least. I have considered running said tubes up the back end along the frame rails on the opposite side of the exhaust.

Also, you should drain your float bowl regularly to eliminate any water that has collected there, as well as debris.

Next, go to the auto parts store and get a can of CRC dielectric grease, and some CRC lectra motive contact clearner. The grease comes in a pressurized can like cheeze wiz. Take apart ALL of your electrical connections, spray a bit of lectra motive in there and then blow out with compressed air.

Then squirt some dielectric grease in the connector, enough so that when you put it togeter it squishes out. This will help insure that any water does not get in. Clean off the excess with a rag, not the lectra motive. It will also make sure that some day when you try to take a connection apart, it will come apart.

As far as sealing the air filter area goes: I would think a piece of heater hose cut down to size and siliconed/ glued onto your frame in front of the air cleaner to make a better seal with the tank as the water wil be coming up there at a great velocity and will inturn hit the bottom of your seat and land on top of the filter with a good deal of force. The mounting area of your filter already has a ridge around it, so any water running down the back bone will stop there. Your filter is not going to just suck up water that dribbles down the back bone and gets on the foam along the bottom. The reticulated foam on the sides of the back bone should not let too much water past, even at a good splash. The area at the top of the shock mount is covered by the reticulated foam attached to your seat base. If you look up under neath, you can see the filter is exposed there as that piece of foam doesn't really seal it off well enough. Perhaps you could purchase some of this foam and make a better seal there so any water splashing up the side of your boots will not go right onto the filter. I regularly clean that piece of foam and even with a good spray of water from the hose, it doesn't go far when sprayed through that foam.

Hope this helps, and good luck!
 
Also riding in Arizona in the summer is a good way to waterproof your bike. Although you do sweat a bit.
 
DaleEO said:
I would however, put a bit of thought into it though. In a tip over gas will run into the vent tubes. By leaving one end lower any gas that get's into the tubes that you have run up the frame will run back down to the T, and then out the bottom tube. HOWEVER, there is the reality that gas will flow out the hose that is mounted high on the frame in a tip over. I have concerns about that gas running down on top of the motor, especially on the header pipes, which wil glow red hot if the bike is being run slowly. Any gas hitting that red hot metal and it will catch on fire, under your gas tank. Not a pretty picture to say the least. I have considered running said tubes up the back end along the frame rails on the opposite side of the exhaust.
sorry dale but that's not right. you can pour petrol on headers for a start and it won't catch fire. secondly they don't actually glow bright orange. and lastly petrol won't be leaving any breather pipe and pouring over any downpipes it just isn't going to happen. a drip or drop but even that would go along the frame. it just isn't going to happen.

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy,

Dale is correct about fuel leaking out the vent tubes that are routed up. If you 'tip' over and the bike is laying flat, and on the wrong side,fuel will run tothe top of the carb body and out the vent tubes. Had it happen, had the same fear of the sacrificial berg, but no flameage. I don't like the waste fuel though, so longer hoses vent hoses route across the frame somewhere might allviate this, or.... don't fall down, always saves a little aggrivation.
 
If you lay the bike flat on its side, with the headers hot as hell, touching dry grass or weeds, and on top of that you add gasoline, you can guess where this can go pretty quickly.
 
Taffy said:
DaleEO said:
I would however, put a bit of thought into it though. In a tip over gas will run into the vent tubes. By leaving one end lower any gas that get's into the tubes that you have run up the frame will run back down to the T, and then out the bottom tube. HOWEVER, there is the reality that gas will flow out the hose that is mounted high on the frame in a tip over. I have concerns about that gas running down on top of the motor, especially on the header pipes, which wil glow red hot if the bike is being run slowly. Any gas hitting that red hot metal and it will catch on fire, under your gas tank. Not a pretty picture to say the least. I have considered running said tubes up the back end along the frame rails on the opposite side of the exhaust.
sorry dale but that's not right. you can pour petrol on headers for a start and it won't catch fire. secondly they don't actually glow bright orange. and lastly petrol won't be leaving any breather pipe and pouring over any downpipes it just isn't going to happen. a drip or drop but even that would go along the frame. it just isn't going to happen.

regards

Taffy

I'll grant you that it is an unlikely, however possible event. However, the pipes do glow a dull red at low air flow. Discovered this one night when I was loading up to leave and had the bike idling in the driveway and as I walked up to get the bike to put it in the pick up I could see them both glowing.
 
so do you want me to come over there and drop a gallon of petrol over some headers whilst laughing just to prove my point. can i also please have a manic glare in my eye as i do it? (pretty please!)

i understand where you are coming from dale but you must remember that all raod racers do stupid things and that at least twice per season they drop fuel on there downpipes.

resu;lt?

well we're all still here aren't we?????

as usual with me it's a "been there and done it" type thingy!

regards

taffy
 
Hey Steve.Mine is T vented up under the seat into a flitered box.As Kelsow says,the foam at the front of the tank is a good idea as well.However,the best way to avoid water intrusion issues is to avoid riding with Kelsow.He seems to like to lead you into stuff like that 8O :lol:
 
I fitted one of these PC Racing kits to my 501. About $30 from Ballards here in Oz.
http://www.pcracingusa.com/carburetorventsystem.php
I have ridden through water up under the seat, about 1 m but I didn't stop to measure exactly. I was impressed. As a result I fitted one to my 650, although not yet tested in more than 1 ft or so. Fine so far. Some pics in my gallery.

I also found this link, might offer some inspiration.
http://www.kevinscycleracing.com/intake ... uretor.htm

The pic here is another rider making an attempt. It died on the next frame. No shots of me being successful though.

Steve
 

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ford832 said:
Hey Steve.Mine is T vented up under the seat into a flitered box.As Kelsow says,the foam at the front of the tank is a good idea as well.However,the best way to avoid water intrusion issues is to avoid riding with Kelsow.He seems to like to lead you into stuff like that 8O :lol:

I didn't read Keslow's post closely enough :oops: , the foam is a much better idea!!
 
Put a foam dam on the frame above the air filter. Left the two lower carb vent lines. T'd the top vent lines and ran a single line along the frame up under the tank and doubled it back for a short length.

Bike worked great today in the puddles and crossings! Thanks for the tips guys. I suppose I owe a beer if you ever make it my way.
 

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