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dsducati said:
Have often wondered about the cam chain being over tensioned by auto tensioning devices. (Spring pushes the tensioner against the chain slider and a ratchet device keeps it from backing off). Dan

has anybody just checked their pre '04 tensioner and just ripped the 'blob' off the nend? is everything else the same?

noticed during the rebuild that the chain has been ripping sideways into the cylinder head wall. i've hasd to let it go but one thing i did notice was that the stirrup on the back/tensioning side has lost that little 4mm wide ridge in the middle even though for years i had no apparent wear.

it would appera the chain can then slip sideways off the stirrup/tensioner blade.

i want to upgrade to the '04/'05 tensioner so this could be a good time!

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy,
I had a phone conversation with Dale, after I just bought my 03 FE 501E, to find out possible failure points. He mentioned that the cam chain tensioner on the 01-03 Bergs was the same as that on the old 2000 and down motor. With the engine changes, came the problem of the tensioner moving close to completely outward to properly tighten the chain on some new motors. Dale welded a button on the end of the tensioner shaft to lengthen it a bit thus remedying the situation. Without the button, chain would rapidly come loose and grind up things. Not sure if an 04/05 tensioner is longer so that it can be simply installed as an updated/improved part? Would sure like to know who makes the aftermarket manual tensioner mentioned earlier in this post.
dan
PS A friends 03 501 had the auxillary (counterbalancer) drive shaft bearings go south. He inspected things by pulling the clutch cover off and upon seeing the damage, parted the bike out on E Bay. Never split the cases, but I suspect Simon is correct that the balancer bearings got loose and completely took up the gear slack heavily loading the aux. shaft bearings. His bike was knocking for some time before the failure and was being raced/revved in expert MX. Still think the balacer is out of place on an MX bike. Also FWIW, since vertical vibration is much more perceived than horizontal, I think Dales 70% balance factor would be a plus and worth the dinero. (100% balance factor totally cancels vertical imbalance)
 
yes but your left with this question; does the chain wear due to the massive force exerted through a tensioner with a 10mm+ button on the end and a spring so compressed that it's a job to get the bolt started to seal it in!!!

it presses hardest when the chain is newest!

chicken and egg?

and what about the profile of the later blade? that should help?

anyway, there are several members here who can perhaps vouch for as to whether the '05 tensioner is really an earlier tensioner with the blob pulled off!

and do the manual one yourself! a nice long M^ x 50mm will do the job nicely methinks.

regards

Taffy
 
Taff:

I ordered an 05 tensioner which should arrive late next week. I'll post the findings.

So did you remove the balancer? Details please.

Thanks, Eric
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh!

i knew i'd seen a post asking me to report this eric!

well, given that i've only been back an hour i couldn't be any quicker really could i!

the bike vibrates at a standstill-enough to make you think that if i race like this i'll get "white knuckle" (it's the name we give over here to the boys who can no longer drill up the roads etc-sure you knew this though). and when you blip it you notice it but when you're moving-even at low revs-you don't notice it. it's important to me that it in no way tires me as i want to keep in good physical shape to the end of the race.

i would say that's a success. see my race report for just one small proviso about this mod though...

coming soon.

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy,

I had measured the width of my 04 550 tensioner slipper 800.36.002.100 at its maximum point and found it to be 0.823".

This part number was used in 04 on all engine sizes.

In 05, they kept using this part number on the 450 and 550, but introduced a new part number for the 650; 820.36.002.000.

I did not have an earlier one available to measure, and have no idea whether the 04 part will fit in your engine.

Regards,

Joe
 
Good point regarding too much tension. Maybe your engine was one that really didn't need the button. Measure through the tensioner hole and see how much length you need to tighten the chain and compare to tensioner length.
dan
 
husabutt said:
Sorry to keep nit picking at this but I want to get this sorted out in my mind as after Taffy does his motor mine is up next. Please induldge me

Thanks,

Eric

here you are eric!

counterbalance%20-%20spacer.JPG


a simple spacer that replaces the counterbalancer and the crank spacer.

joe-i hope you can find out the difference between the two blades...

eric-you're going to find out the difference in the tensioners i hope.

regards

taffy
 
Taffy said:
husabutt said:
Sorry to keep nit picking at this but I want to get this sorted out in my mind as after Taffy does his motor mine is up next. Please induldge me

Thanks,

Eric

here you are eric!

counterbalance%20-%20spacer.JPG


a simple spacer that replaces the counterbalancer and the crank spacer.

joe-i hope you can find out the difference between the two blades...

eric-you're going to find out the difference in the tensioners i hope.

regards

taffy

Gentlemen,

Their are a total of four possible tension blades.
Two for each engine design (pre 2001 and post 2000)

Regarding post 2k engines:
With minor modification the later blade may be used in any engine.
The material of the later blade is different as is the thickness. The thicker blade of late allows one to eliminate the crimped on aluminum tension button as opposed to replacing said button with that of a welded in place extension.

The basic tension mechanism is the same for all year Husaberg engines.

The Intermediate shaft and drive gear were revised somewhere along the lines of 2003 in an effort to insure the retaining nut shouldered the gear as opposed to that of the shaft.

Kind Regards,
Dale
 
[quote="LINEAWEAVER]
Gentlemen,

Their are a total of four possible tension blades.
Two for each engine design (pre 2001 and post 2000)

Regarding post 2k engines:
The thicker blade of late allows one to eliminate the crimped on aluminum tension button as opposed to replacing said button with that of a welded in place extension.[/quote]

sorry dale but to be clear; is that button off the end and nothing else needed? same spring for all models? does the thicker blade make up the gap a little that the 'button' used to fill? even a little?

there is a difference between the '04 and the '05 according to joe...

here is summink that a rare visitor to the site sent me one day. i don't remember his name. good chap though!!!

http://www.husaberg.org/uploads/Taffy/diagram of both camchain stirrups.doc

WHAT DO I ENCLOSE A WORD DOCUMENT IN TO GET IT ON SCREEN? TRIED AND BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

regards

taffy
 
Taffy said:
[quote="LINEAWEAVER]

sorry dale but to be clear; is that button off the end and nothing else needed? same spring for all models? does the thicker blade make up the gap a little that the 'button' used to fill? even a little?

If you run the later (thicker) blade you simply remove the crimped button.

there is a difference between the '04 and the '05 according to joe...

How said blade mounts into the head.


regards

taffy
 
cheers

did you notice on the document
so I just cut my knob off
. maybe this is an english joke!

either way i think it pays to get the operation done early. prevention sounds less painful than cure!

:lol: :lol:

Taffy
 

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