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one eighth throttle issue

Joined Jan 2018
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Wells, somerset
Hi folks, I have an 02 fx 650 converted to fs and running with a racing FCR 41 (not the mx, no choke) and standard exhaust. Fuelling looks good on the dyno and getting 55hp at the wheel so happy with that. The issue is what feels like a missfire /luching/surging at 1/8th throttle. The dyno does show a little richness on the needle which raises the question,
is it possible for this condition to be needle taper, size or depth?
Or,
Is there a known ignition /CDI issue?
It has the two stage ignition. Lead, cap and plug all new.
Advice on this would be gratefully received.
Cheers.
 
Hi

I do a jetting kit for these.

if you tell us what you have then i can say what is up but without the numbers it is difficult to help.

generally, most things can be sorted on the pilot screw which is front and centre under the front of the carb. if you don't have an extended one that you can twiddle by hand then get one!

Taffy
 
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Beng,
I had a similar problem with a 41mm keihin I put on a 600. It seemed to run pretty well except for a miss/hesitation in the first 1/8th throttle. I spent some time dialing in the pilot jet and the fuel screw adjustment but was never able to completely fix the issue until I started swapping needles to ones with fatter base diameters. I started by noticing that the problem got worse as I went up in elevation which would indicate a rich condition.

You can find a multitude of diagrams online that describe which jet in the Keihin is responsible for which portion of throttle travel. I then researched the various needles available along with their dimensions and eventually settled on the one with the largest base diameter I could find. That needle was an NCYQ which carries Honda code 7531049. However, my engine is somewhat unique in that it has a smaller bore and a larger stroke than your 650 and very low compression so your results may vary from mine. I've often wondered if the larger stroke engines have much stronger vacuum which will tend to pull more fuel through the jets at, or near, idle and maybe this is the reason I had to run this needle.
 
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Thanks for that. My gut was needle profile or diameter, possibly wear as it seems to be at the transition point. I wanted a starting point because I need a cabinet full of left legs to start it after meddling so I kind of want to hit the mark with the least amount meddling. I'll pull the needle and check the size and hopefully get some positive improvement.
Cheers.
 
Taffy, if I alter the pilot circuit, make it leaner, what will be the effect on starting. Cold starting is usually okay with a few squirts on the throttle but warm starting can be an issue. A quick refueling stop ended up being half an hour! I do have the screw extension with the adjuster knob.
 
you're in a tight spot because you have no choke so you need the squirt!

they can have a rich stumble and a lean stumble.

usually it is a rich stumble oddly enough. the plug just can't cope!

I'm trying to be helpful but I REALLY don't know what you have and without it I can't guess whether your rich or lean?

one thing that always works is to raise the needle up.

regards

Taffy
 
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Thanks Taffy, the dyno read a little rich on the needle and went quite sharply to across the line. The tester said pilot and main were spot on so looks like a rich stumble. It's really so good to have experienced input, thank you. I'll get numbers sometime this week and let you know.
 

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