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Newbie - '04 Husa 450SE - water in oil

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california
Hi all,

Brand new to 'bergs and this forum.

Got an '04 450 SE that had a broken timing chain. Got the top end all put back together. Runs great, but I can't keep water out of the oil.

As soon as I fire it up, the oil in the sight glass goes cloudy/milky.

I've replaced the water pump seal, shaft oring and the oring to the water passage seal into the head (all of which are under the gear cover). I've opened and closed the gear cover 4 times, to no avail.

I've read the posts about the water pump shaft seal problem, but most people are complaining about water loss and weeping, not getting water into the oil, unless I missed it.

From my read of the situation, there is no way I can be contaminating the oil with water from a blown head gasket (which is new, due to the top-end work), since there is no passage of oil through the head for the oil to mix.

I'm thinking that the only way I can be mixing water with the oil is through these two sealing areas (water pump shaft and water passage from pump to head). But, I'm also open to the idea I'm missing something.

Any ideas? Thanks!
 
Have you checked the oil to see if there is water in it and is you level going down in your rad When you start up the bike it will change color
 
Oil is definitely contaminated with water. Looks like pea soup.

Not sure how or where to find a crack in the head and not clear to me why that would immediately put water in oil in the gear box. I don't see a path for oil in the head other than the timing chain slinging oil onto drive train. Am I missing something?

Thanks for the ideas!
 
make sure the weep hole isn't blocked

you are right about the possibilities also there are 3 orings at the bottom of the (wet) liner

the water oring between the clutch cover and the LHS case is often squashed so much it doesn't do anything .. also check the groove depth in the case isn't too deep. try and get about 0.8mm of crush on the oring
 
@bushmechanic thanks for the ideas. I will definitely check the weep hole.

I've been putting silicone on that oring between clutch cover and lhs case to hold it in place during assembly and make sure its sealing. I tried reusing old one first, replacing it with a new factory one, and last tried one that was slightly oversized in case there wasn't enough squish on the specified oring. I'm thinking of going back to the new factory oring with no silicone, but don't have much confidence it will help.

I tried an oversized oring on water pump shaft behind the seal, too. That one doesn't look like a water seal to me, as much as a first cut oil seal against the oil getting into the back of the dynamic shaft seal.

Can you clarify what you mean by the (wet) liner?. Not sure where to look for those additional 3 orings. TIA
 
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I've replaced the orings and seals called out in numbers 60 & 65 in the photo.


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@bushmechanic thanks again.

Yikes. That's deep in the lower end. I didn't go in there and wasn't planning to.

Any ideas as to how to t-shoot where the leak path is? I ran cooling pressure test and didn't get much of a leakdown. Seems like the water side is pretty tight to the cooling systsm pressure, at least at rest.
 
not really but if its not the things you've tried then that leaves the headgasket and those o rings

if you do a headgasket replacement you might as well split the cases IMHO

are you sure its water? oil can look milky sometimes

soak a rag in the oil then light it up if water is present it will pop spit and crackle
 
maybe try a radiator stop leak product ?

spanner has used it with good results

if it doesn't work you would have to think either a shaft seal or a massive hole somewhere
 
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The stop leak product I used on my car some 20 years ago work great stoped the leak BUT IT PLUGED UP THE heater core (about the size as most bikes radiators) I wouldn't use it!! If you have some old no good radiators put them on with the stop leak might get lucky then clean it all up put the good radiators back on or loop a hose so you don't have radiators run it a little let it cool do this over and over till the stop leak works??
 
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