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I have discussed this no kick starter with many people.... for racing yes why not for .. but most do some trail riding as practice and their is some concern, memory, etc

Most have a funny feeling of doom. Racing no problem, but sooner or later the battery or electric leg will fail.

If they offered a choice of kick start like the protoype seen on an earlier thread, how many but hard core would take that choice?

Any other nervous nellies???????
 
This will be especially true with auto clutch users where the lack of bump starting will be an issue. :(
 
Well, now that it's largely a KTM engine(sharing the majority of parts at the very least), just layed on it's side, I wouldn't worry so much. My brother has ridden his KTM in the middle of BFE for years and I've never once seen him use the anything but the button, even after some fantastic getoffs.
 
I ride an '07 KTM SE950R without a kicker. It also has an auto clutch and weighs near 400lbs. I have no worries about riding in Baja or anywhere else. I do carry a small set of custom jumper cables just in case, but have never used them...
 
The only time my bike wouldn't start with the button was when it was -20°c
I wonder how FI would fair in the same temps?

I'm thinking it would start right up.
 
Here's my two cents;

In the recent test that was posted here, it was pointed out that the bike started easily on the button cold, hot, or bump starting.

As far the cold temps are concerned, especially extreme cold temps, it definitely could affect the battery power. However, I think something that definitely needs to be considered for that situation is using the correct oil for the temps.

If I remember correctly from the 09 launch material, the bike has an ambient temperature sensor, so I would expect that would work in concert with cold start setting for the FI. And since it was developed in Sweden and raced first in the Swedish national enduro's I think they probably have got that cold weather starting thing worked out.

Another thing to keep in mind is to keep the battery on a battery tender when not in use to keep the battery at full power, and keep the plates in the battery plates from sulphating. And, with a 210 watt stator re charging after multiple starts on the trail doesn't sound like it is going to be a problem.

I too know quite a few KTM guys who use nothing but their electrical starters and have no problems.
 
My starter relay failed on my ktm while out riding. I was sure glad I had a kick starter. I have seen other ktm owners have the same problem. It seems to me when bikes like the '09 are built, they are more or less intended for closed course competition, where people can have their bikes towed or pushed back to the pits, verses a trail bike that may be dozens of miles or more from any type of support.
 
If you were a little more savy in your wrenching skills, you would have known that you could just cross the relay terminals with the pliars in your tool kit and the bike would have fired right up.

Maybe the "no kicker" isn't for everyone. But for those of us that understand and maintain our own bikes, it's just nothing worth worrying about...
 
PowerCell said:
If you were a little more savy in your wrenching skills, you would have known that you could just cross the relay terminals with the pliars in your tool kit and the bike would have fired right up.

Maybe the "no kicker" isn't for everyone. But for those of us that understand and maintain our own bikes, it's just nothing worth worrying about...
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jeese kinda harsh........
 
Not intended to be. But it seems like todays riders want eveything handed to them. These are the same guys that shouldn't ride so far that they can no longer see their truck...
 
tinbanger said:
jeese kinda harsh........
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yeah, that was kinda mean. Good thing I don't have any self esteem left to feel bad about this. Since I can't read, I guess I will go ask someone to look in the phone book for me so I can enroll in some of those small engine vocational classes they have for mentally handicapped inmates, if I can even pass their entrance exam. Maybe if I graduate, I will be able to ride so far that I will not be able to see my truck anymore. Wow, just the thought gives me heebie jeebie goosebumps. Is this what Ferdinand Magellan felt like? I still like my kick starter though. It has always been there through thick and thin, whenever I needed it. If I can manage to find my way home today, I am going to give it a big hug!
 
Electric should be fine. I have never needed to trickle charge my batteries, and my Berg and KTMs have always had plenty of charge in the battery. But I ride every week or two at the most. My KTMs have always started on electric leg except shortly after having fitted a steering damper when I didn't route some wires out of the way. They got mashed together and shorted out the starter fuse. I have also seen a couple of short outs from people disconnecting the horn and leaving the wire bare. Eventually it bounced against the frame and shorted out the fuse. This can be very hard to find. Carry spare fuses.
 
Actually, last time I tried to kickstart my bike when really cold, the kickstart lever broke.

I ended up using the magic button.
 
kelsow said:
Actually, last time I tried to kickstart my bike when really cold, the kickstart lever broke.

I ended up using the magic button.
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damb cold!!! that sucks, were you pissed?

but about the electric stater issue, i have had problems with mine, mostly because i completely neglect it and never have bought a tender. but when i ride regularly i don't have issues. only once when i tipped it upside down did i run the batt completely dead, oh and when i was teachin the misses to ride.......got off the bike alot for that one :lol:

i will say it was nice to have the back up kick, not that i couldn't bump start it, the kick is just easier, and really... why not have it? 2lbs?
 
DaleEO said:
I too know quite a few KTM guys who use nothing but their electrical starters and have no problems.
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Now guys,

Why try to compare the bergs with something else rather than against each other? :wink:

I happen to know that in the south and west of England there's a whole load of Husaberg trail and enduro riders who use nothing but their electrical starters.......... they do actually work nowadays and they have done for years.

It's like a load of the other little bits and bobs with these bikes that have been sorted out.

Most of it's history, it's time to move on......... :)

All the best,
Simon
 
tinbanger said:
kelsow said:
Actually, last time I tried to kickstart my bike when really cold, the kickstart lever broke.

I ended up using the magic button.
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damb cold!!! that sucks, were you pissed?
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I was pissed at the replacement cost of a new one. :lol:
 
whats the problem?? do you get upset that your new car doesn't come with a crank starter handle???
 
well look what I started (excuse the pun). I have always maintained my bergs and not had a problem with the electric starts that I can recall much. I have ridden with other berg riders. Batteries go flat, sprag clutches seize, relays fail, fuses go (but that is easy to fix). There is a lot of mud and banging around. A kick start is fairly fail safe, but if the e start does fail on a trail ride at the bottom of the gully there will be no push starting. my e start was always good as I mainly kick started when cold.

The question seems to be is the fear from those that have seen a lot and know it will fail sooner or later or are those the people that don't like any change? Are they nervous nellies. I know a lot of berg riders who only race or practice on an enduro circuit and they have taken the kick starter off sometimes because they cannot use it. I also know many that take of the e start.

For the serious racer there is not a problem, for the rider that trail rides and holds the bikes more than 2 to 3 years I tend to think you should follow the rules of always ride with someone else that has a battery and carry a jump lead?

If I was berg I would allow orders of both, e only and kick and e. I would order the one with the kick starter and e starter.

Does anyone know if the batteries are different to the current berg batteries. I heard an early rumour that the batteries were a new design like mobile phone type technology?
 
Brendan said:
Maybe if I graduate, I will be able to ride so far that I will not be able to see my truck anymore. Wow, just the thought gives me heebie jeebie goosebumps. Is this what Ferdinand Magellan felt like? I still like my kick starter though. It has always been there through thick and thin, whenever I needed it. If I can manage to find my way home today, I am going to give it a big hug!
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I'm with you. I'm not real big on the idea of a bike with no kickstarter for the kind of riding we like to do. Sure, a smart guy can macguyver a trick for 1 particular failure, but there are many other ways that e-start systems fail.
 

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