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Dennis2009

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I currently have no kill switch on the bike ive recently bought. Ive spoken to a few people with bike and theyve told me that the best way to stop it is to stall it?! Some one also suggested stopping it with the decompression lever on the clutch?!

As in not over clued up i dont know whether this was accurate information. However i dont really like the sound of either tbh. I'd imagine fitting a kill switch would be the best option. Anyone got any idea how to do this, as i don't..?

I was wondering if you experts out there could fill me in with what i need to know?

cheers
dennis
 
I take it you dont have an ignition switch then ? as this would be the obvious one.
I probably cant really help you mate but someone will be along pretty quick ....

oh and have you downloaded the owners manual ? Check the 'owners doc' on the left hand side of the forum. The wiring diagrams can help loads in situations like this, as long as you can read them you're laughing ! Id be looking at the diagram at the kill switch on there and seeing if i could tally up any cable colours/connectors around the handlebars/behind headlight/around coil area ...
 
Does it have Kokusan or SEM ignition? 2004 was supposed to be the change.

If it has SEM, connect any reliable pushbutton between the orange kill wire coming out of the CDI and anywhere on the frame. Shorting this wire to ground stops the spark and hence the engine. You should be able to buy an aftermarket kill switch to use for the pushbutton.

If it has a Kokusan the kill wire on the CDI should be black with a yellow stripe or yellow with a black stripe.
 
Re: RE: Need a kill switch???

on-one-wheel said:
I take it you dont have an ignition switch then ?
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Your right there mate there's no ignition switch. Infact theres not a great deal on it electrical wise. Taken off the front light, rear/brake light, indicators and it never had a speedo on it when i got it.

I am left with a horn though and a few connectors at the front end of the bike, which are currently taped up. I'll have a look at them and see if i can match any up to the wiring diagram for the bike.

As for which ignition system the bike has i'd guess at the Kokusan one. But i'll check when i get chance. Thanks BundyBear for identifying which wires im looking for. That's a great help mate!

cheers
dennis
 
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ive got my headlight off atm mate, il go outside and have a look for you. mines a 53 plate so im guessing it will be same as yours. il post what i find here when i get back ...
 
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Spot on, cheers mate. Ive got a few pics to get uploaded to my gallery when i get home. i think ive got a photo of the wires at the front end so i'll get it posted in here to show ya.
 
RE: Re: RE: Need a kill switch???

Ok mate, the wires that need shorting, as mentioned above by BundyBear, to kill the engine are the orange and black coming from the Ignition module. My killswitch (theres two !!) connectors, from the bars, lead to behind the headlight (where your group of wires are) where they plug into the loom.
Now ...

The left hand side killswitch, plugs into a 6-pin connector behind the headlight. the pins are in a 3x2 formation like the number 6 on a dice and the loom wires are coloured as follows:

White
blue
brown
yellow
red
green

So first off look for that connector in your bunch and see if you can see that one (as that could be used)

The right hand side killswitch is in a 1x4 formation so 4 in a line. The colour wires from the loom to this killswitch are as follows:

Red/yellow
Red/White
Brown
Black

either of these will do but if you dont have the original killswitch or suitable connector you will probably have to cut into the loom to connect your new kill switch (or remove the connectors from the block and use the wire ends themselves)

Unfortunately these wires change colour between the killswitch and the orange+black at the cdi so some cross referencing with the diagram will be needed to get the right wires. (sorry didnt look that far into it)

see if you can locate these connectors and we'll take it from there !
hope this helps a bit, we'll get you a kill switch sorted :)
 
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cheers for that Smithy!

I didnt have chance to look last night, but ive got some pics up of my bike. ive included the one of the connectors however non of them seem to be any that you've described.

I think i'll have to connect a new wire to the one i need comming out of the cdi unit and just run enough cable to where the button if going to be. Currently got a horn and electric start buttons on the bars so might put the kill button sumwhere on the frame.

Here a link to the pic of my unknow connectors..... http://www.husaberg.org/index.php?set_a ... _photo.php .....check the bike out while your there :)

cheers
Dennis
 
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Alrite Dennis, had a look at yer bike, i really like those colour schemes ! Looks real nice. trying to decide exactly how i want mine to look ...

I'll nip out to the garage in a min and check those connectors for you and identify them see if we can use them, if we can get the orange wire at the headlight area then the other side of the switch im guessing we can just earth in situ ...

BRB
 
On Fleabay UK at the moment there is a used kill switch which includes all the light and horn switches too, item number 260357287243, sounds like just what you need.

Regards
Freaky
 
Ok heres what ive got ...

The triangle connector goes to the speedo,

The 2 pin connector:
Brown is earth for front indicators
Red/Yellow is +ve to indicator relay

The 3 pin is wierd, it comes outta the loom to the plug then plugs back into the loom. mines like a nest around there but i THINK the Red/Yellow is a +ve and the Brown is a -ve/earth

think you might have to do it further back down the loom

someone else might have an idea
 
thanks alot for looking at them for me Smithy, you've been a great help! :D im going to crack on 2moro and get it sorted. Haven't had much time at all this week.

I was thinking of maybe trying to get a speedo for it at some point, so it's good to know i have the connector still.

Glad you like the colour scheme on the bike :D i'd quite enjoy some coloured wheels tbh, however will cost alot! had a look at your bike mate....looks sweet. very tidy isnt it!

Freaky, cheers for letting me know about that part. does look good for me, however i dont have any lights or anything on the bike so i don't know if could warrant putting that on my bars, for the use of only one of the features. May just go for the single button and splice it in to my loom.

cheers
Dennis
 
No probs mate, was a good chance for me to get 'up close and personal' with my loom as i havent had a proper look since i bought it and needed to sort my indicators anyhow. hope you get it sorted ! Let us know how you get on

Smithy
 
BundyBear said:
If it has a Kokusan the kill wire on the CDI should be black with a yellow stripe or yellow with a black stripe.
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So i had a few mins spare this weekend so managed had a quick look at the cdi. Ive located the yellow cable with the black stripe and have just bought a kill switch off ebay. It has two wires comming out of the switch with a connector on the end, which im going to get rid off and just use the wires.

So i need to ground the wire comming out of the cdi and get this switch involved aswell in order to kill the ignition? Without sounding like a complete ***** how should i go about this? :? all the gear, no idea springs to mind! haha

cheers
Dennis
 
Dennis2009 said:
So i need to ground the wire comming out of the cdi and get this switch involved aswell in order to kill the ignition?
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You said you have two wires from your new switch. When you push the switch, the two wires connect together, when you realease it they disconnect again.

Connect either switch wire to the yellow/black CDI wire. Connect the other switch wire to ground (ie somewhere on the frame or engine), preferably on the earth connector just near the CDI. If this is not there, connect it under one of the CDI mount bolts. By doing this, pushing the button connects the yellow/black CDI wire to ground & stops the spark.

You are right, you can lose the connector on your new switch and join longer wires to it, but I would really recommend not cutting off the plug or socket on the yellow/black CDI wire. If you can't find a mating connector for wire and need a pin type plug to fit itnto it, at a pinch you can you can fold the individual strands of copper from the wire back along its outer insulation and plug this into the socket.

Make sure that whatever you do is reasonably well insulated. On the SEM the kill circuit runs at a few hundred volts and could give a nasty bite if touched or stop the bike if water gets in. I assume the Kokusan is similar.
 
Alright dennis !
Yep i'd agree with bundy, the connection to the yellow/black definately needs to be a good soldered and heat shrunk connection (thats best way to do it imho).

I'd personally do this:
[dummies guide to fitting a kill switch] lol

-Attach kill switch to handlebars

-Cut connector on the kill switch and solder two decent (long enough to run from front to rear of bike, for now) length wires to the two wires out of the kill switch. heat shrink these joints ! (best using same coloured wires if possible)

-Run both wires down alongside the main loom and secure there.

- Run one wire to the earth point either on the battery itself (tricky) or to the earth point on the start motor bracket (use a nice crimp connector if possible)

-Run last wire to wherever you feel brave enough to connect to the yellow wire. connect and bobs yer uncle !

I dont happen to know where else the yellow/black wire runs to unfortunately, there may be a different place thats a lot easier. If you HAVE to cut into the middle of the yellow/black wire i'd suggest doing it a good distance away from the cdi unit. If it goes wrong you have some wire to play with and your not trying to cut, strip and solder right next to the cdi.

I'll have a look to try and find somewhere else you can connect to, it may be easier for you to trace the wire if you only have half a loom already !?
 
Oh sorry one last thing i forgot to mention, whenever working on your electric system the 1ST thing you should do is disconnect the battery (-ve should be fine but +ve also if you wanna be 100% safe), this'll ensure you dont blow anything up lol

so disconnect -ve first, follow above steps then the last thing you do is reconnect the -ve lead (along with your kill switch earth) and then test it works !

good luck
 
alrite smithy!

tonight is the first bit of spare time ive had in a long while so ive just been to have a look at the berg and followed my yellow and black wire, from the cdi, right through the bike and it comes out near the regulator/rectifier. the good thing is though its not actually connected to anything so im not going to have to start chopping wires up :D

im thinking i might place the switch at the back of the bike on the subframe. at the moment theres already two buttons on the handlebars so i think another will make it look abit over crowded. I recon i'll earth it to the battery aswell since the wires are going to be in that area.

well in on reminding me about disconnecting the battery smithy, would have deffinately slipped my mind!

im going to get it fitted on tomorrow night so i'll let you know if it works :)

Dennis
 

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