Master cylinder?

Barrett · Oct 23, 2008

Anyone tried another master cylider to the front FTE caliper?
The standard master cylider is 17,something mm and it seams way to big. I've tried maguras kit and it's awesome! BUT, I've also tried a bike with magura caliper and standard master cylinder and it "sucked" just as much as the standard brakes. So, my teory, is that it's all (or at least most of it) about the mastercylinder.

The magura-kit has an 12 mm cylider and the Beringer-kit I had before (witch were awesome too) came with a 13 mm cylinder. Both those have way better feeling than the standard brakes on the Berg and are also much easier to maneuver.

Taffy · Oct 23, 2008

i really don't know what the smS HAVE FITTED BUT I HAVE THE STANDARD BREMBO ENDURO m/c FITTED AND THEN SWOPPED TO A cr250f NISSIN AND IT HAS SOOOO MUCH FEEL.

it's a great brake but it's the feel that's sooooo good!

regards

Taffy

Barrett · Oct 23, 2008

Re: RE: Master cylinder?

Taffy said:
i really don't know what the smS HAVE FITTED BUT I HAVE THE STANDARD BREMBO ENDURO m/c FITTED AND THEN SWOPPED TO A cr250f NISSIN AND IT HAS SOOOO MUCH FEEL.

it's a great brake but it's the feel that's sooooo good!

regards

Taffy

In combination with what caliper?

Every mx/enduro master cylinder I've tried never made any good impression om me. I also have "**** hands" so I really need to be abel to adjust it close to the bars, not often possible on standard master cyliders

Taffy · Oct 23, 2008

RE: Re: RE: Master cylinder?

it's the enduro set up

regards

Taffy

Barrett · Oct 23, 2008

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Taffy said:
it's the enduro set up

regards

Taffy

Ok, that explain allot. You are in the supermoto forum dude

Good tip on getting breaks better on a enduro though.

ned37 · Oct 25, 2008

Ok, that explain allot. You are in the supermoto forum dude

i think you been served, DUDE :lol:

Simon · Oct 28, 2008

Hey there Barrett,

I'm slightly confused by your post as to what you're currently running on your bike. Is it the oem sm front brake or some aftermarket kit?

If it is the oem setup then there has been a little bit of a swap around in the size of master cylinder from 12 to 13mm between some years. The feel of the brakes also depends on whether you've got the original 4-pot, 6-pot or 4-pot radial brake setup and the pads you're using - for a while the original brake pads were rubbish and the 6 pot has a reputation for poor feedback.

17mm masters I would normally expect to be reserved for a twin disk setup but that would also depend on the stroke.

I used to use a 17mm nissin master cylinder but then went back to the 12mm Brembo item once I found a set of good pads that suited me and my riding style.

To answer your question though. Unfortunately it's not all in the master cylinder but in the whole system including calipers and pads etc.

Cheers,
Simon

Barrett · Oct 28, 2008

I running the standard -07 FS breaks

"FTE 17.46 mm cylinder
FTE four-piston radial mounted floating caliper, ÃƒËœ 310mm stainless steel"

The pads I'm running are 586.130.30.300. Way better then "...200".

The pads are not the main problem as I see it. With as big master cylinder as 17mm the breaks become to "stiff" and with bad feeling

Ghost · Oct 29, 2008

Have you tried the Beringer brake disc with the radial caliper?
It should be a different feel with that disc.
(don't forget to use screws with a low profile head if you still have the odometer mounted, the original screw will tear the odometer sensor clean off...)
My guess would otherwise be that you should use a smaller master cylinder.

Simon · Oct 30, 2008

The 17.46mm master cylinder will give you a very wooden feel. But I don't think Husaberg ever supplied that size master cylinder as oem, nor did they supply FTE brakes as original fitment as far as I know, they've always been Beringer/Brembo combinations.

However, to answer your question, your feel will also depend on the stroke of the m/c not just the bore but in general for sm you would look at m/cs that range from 12mm to 16mm bore. 17mm and above is usually reserved for twin disk/caliper applications.

It should be fairly easy to find an ex mx 12mm Brembo master cylinder cheaply so you can try it out.

Hope this helps,
Simon

Barrett · Oct 30, 2008

Ghost said:
Have you tried the Beringer brake disc with the radial caliper?
It should be a different feel with that disc.
(don't forget to use screws with a low profile head if you still have the odometer mounted, the original screw will tear the odometer sensor clean off...)
My guess would otherwise be that you should use a smaller master cylinder.

No, but I know other that have tried out that combo. Better feel and that brake disc isn't as hard to the pads as the oem braking disc (that eat them to breakfast)

Odometer on a race bike? I don't think so

Barrett · Oct 30, 2008

Simon said:
The 17.46mm master cylinder will give you a very wooden feel. But I don't think Husaberg ever supplied that size master cylinder as oem, nor did they supply FTE brakes as original fitment as far as I know, they've always been Beringer/Brembo combinations.

However, to answer your question, your feel will also depend on the stroke of the m/c not just the bore but in general for sm you would look at m/cs that range from 12mm to 16mm bore. 17mm and above is usually reserved for twin disk/caliper applications.

It should be fairly easy to find an ex mx 12mm Brembo master cylinder cheaply so you can try it out.

Hope this helps,
Simon

They for sure they supplied that mastercylinder for atleast -07 & -08 (not sure about -06?), also been fitted on KTM SMR, -06 I think? The manufactor for the FTE and mastercylinder is Beringer.

I sure know that both bore and stroke of the M/C effects the feel etc. My question really was if anyone here tried out any combo that they could recomend.
For me it's not an option just to get a smaller M/C from and MX-bike. All I've tried really suck compared to all radial M/C's I've tried (in over all feel) Not to forgett my small hands I mentioned before, I really need a fulladjustible M/C and most radial M/C can offer that.

What I chose between now is either a 12mm Magura (~300Ã¢â€šÂ¬), 13mm Beringer (~3-400Ã¢â€šÂ¬).
But, that's still allot of money when I can't be sure that the combo works out as a exept it to. It's getting quite tempting with a full magura-kit

Simon · Oct 30, 2008

Barrett said:
Beringer.

That's all I needed to know. FTE are also a German manufacturer of brakes

Barrett said:
I really need a fulladjustible M/C and most radial M/C can offer that.

I think you've just answered your own question here.

Barrett said:
when I can't be sure that the combo works out as a exept it to.

As I said, be careful about making your mind up on the 12mm Brembo/Beringer radial caliper before you've confirmed the brake pads hence why I suggested giving it a go.

Also, don't pass by the Brembo supermoto radial calipers that are available I believe still with 16mm bore and either 16 or 18 ratio, the 16 giving better feel.

Unfortunately given all of the options available and your personal preferences which you clearly have already it's impossible to give advice on exactly what will work with what.

All the best,
Simon

Barrett · Oct 31, 2008

As I said, be careful about making your mind up on the 12mm Brembo/Beringer radial caliper before you've confirmed the brake pads hence why I suggested giving it a go.

Also, don't pass by the Brembo supermoto radial calipers that are available I believe still with 16mm bore and either 16 or 18 ratio, the 16 giving better feel.

Unfortunately given all of the options available and your personal preferences which you clearly have already it's impossible to give advice on exactly what will work with what.

All the best,
Simon

That's a good idea. But as I said before I've tried the combo my friends bike have, witch is a Magura radial caliper and the oem M/C, and that wasn't better than mine. Same day I also tried a Berg with full Magura-kit and thay was way better. So...

I've had a Brembo pr16x18 (radial) before in combo with a ISR 6-piston caliper and they worked out great. But the ISR is known to work better with a little bit bigger M/C's, I'm afraid the brembo getting to big for my aplication.

Well, thanks for all your input. I'll think it over, but my feeling now is that I'll go for the Magura M/C or the full Magura-kit

Simon · Oct 31, 2008

Barrett said:
Well, thanks for all your input. I'll think it over, but my feeling now is that I'll go for the Magura M/C or the full Magura-kit

No problems - whatever you decide to go for - enjoy! The Magure is a nice bit of kit for sure

Simon

Ghost · Oct 31, 2008

Simon said:
The 17.46mm master cylinder will give you a very wooden feel. But I don't think Husaberg ever supplied that size master cylinder as oem, nor did they supply FTE brakes as original fitment as far as I know, they've always been Beringer/Brembo combinations.

//snip//

Hope this helps,
Simon

barrett said:
They for sure they supplied that mastercylinder for atleast -07 & -08 (not sure about -06?), also been fitted on KTM SMR, -06 I think? The manufactor for the FTE and mastercylinder is Beringer.

FS have used the same brake combo since -05, Beringer radial master cylinder paired with a FTE radial caliper.

-01 to -03 was equiped with a Beringer four pot caliper paired with the "enduro" master cylinder from Brembo.
-04 was equiped with the Beringer six pot caliper paired with the KTM Duke master cylinder. (guess it's Brembo)

Hope you find the right combo.

Vegard · Nov 5, 2008

Barrett said:
As I said, be careful about making your mind up on the 12mm Brembo/Beringer radial caliper before you've confirmed the brake pads hence why I suggested giving it a go.

Also, don't pass by the Brembo supermoto radial calipers that are available I believe still with 16mm bore and either 16 or 18 ratio, the 16 giving better feel.

Unfortunately given all of the options available and your personal preferences which you clearly have already it's impossible to give advice on exactly what will work with what.

All the best,
Simon

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That's a good idea. But as I said before I've tried the combo my friends bike have, witch is a Magura radial caliper and the oem M/C, and that wasn't better than mine. Same day I also tried a Berg with full Magura-kit and thay was way better. So...

I've had a Brembo pr16x18 (radial) before in combo with a ISR 6-piston caliper and they worked out great. But the ISR is known to work better with a little bit bigger M/C's, I'm afraid the brembo getting to big for my aplication.

I've got a Brembo like this too. Best investment I've done EVER for my Supermoto bike!

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