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Kokusan KTM & Husaberg

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Are the Kokusan ignitions used by KTM and Husaberg identical? Do they use the same Rotor? Stator? CDI?

I am interested in weather parts can be interchanged, and if an after market (programable) KTM CDI will fit the Husaberg.

Ben
JBSracing
 
I cant answer your question just yet, but I am interested in the programable CDI. Do you have a link for it?
 
Here is my situation, a guy I know has a small company that make programable ignitions, he has made a few for Sidecar racers in Europe that fit the KTM 525. They are running 630cc bored and stroked KTM 525 motors (100mm bore x 78mm stroke), and his ignition offers more tuning flexibility for the bigger CC's. I have been offered a CDI, the programming module and the software for a very good price to try and make an optimised ignition for my 750cc kit (www.jbsracing.co.uk). I was asking to see if anyone had used a KTM ignition with the Husaberg before and what they have found. So I don't have a link to any sites as I have not been actively looking for after market KTM ignitions, but if anyone has any links I would like too see them too, sometimes you can learn a lot by just looking around and what people have done.

BTW - I have just stripped a brand new 2006 650 (628cc) engine for confusion to 750cc, so I have the Crank, Conrod, Piston + Rings, Liner, and all E-start parts for sale. They are all brand new, you can't even buy 2006 spares yet, the engine came straight off the production line into the back of my van literally. Also I have a load of 2003 parts. Email me if you are interested in any thing. [email protected]
 
Maybe off topic,but I am curious about the life of a bigbore 750 cc Husaberg engine.I suppose it is going to be used for racing.
So,how long does it last till the next overhaul and what will be overhauled?
 
Hi JBSracing I use rewound KTM stator in my 04 450 and it works fine
and from what Trail tech says flywheels are the same, Dont know about
the cdi box but it would intresting to know
VIKING
 
In answer to Bluto - I think it would be fair to say that most of the failures that 650 Husaberg engines have can be traced to the crank or the surrounding components. Typical faults are main bearing flange failure, counter-balencer problems, even snapped big-end pins all have been seen here on the UHE.

All these problems can in one way or another be traced back to the counter-balencer arrangement that Husaberg currently use. The are 3 mains DESIGN faults with the OEM system I think:

1) The design chosen means that to accommodate the counter-balencer in the same space as the crank spins the face of the drive side crank web overhangs the inner edge of the bearing by 13mm, most cranks sit hard up against the bearings so the OEM Husaberg has a 13mm leaver with which to apply force to the mains.

2) The counter-balencer bearings are effectivly doing twice crank speed up to 20,000 rpm, which is F1 engine speed. Additionally the bearings are tacking an enormous oscillating load and passing it to the crank and the mains, additional to the load it sees from the piston and rod.

3) The mains are simply put to small for the capacity once you are up to 650.

The 750cc kit that we supply tries to address these problems, and our idea was to take 2 steps forwards in power by increasing the capacity to 750cc but 1 step back in the state of tune on the engine, to get more power with out a reliability sacrifice.

We did this by:

1) Removing the counter-balencer and billet machining a crank that is correctly weighted for the 105mm big-bore piston.

2) See the picture on the page http://www.jbsracingpage.co.uk/750cckit.htm as you can see the drive side crank web has a 45 degree taper that fills the 13mm gap transferring the force to the inner edge of the bearing and making the crank much stiffer than OEM. Additionally we use a 4mm wider drive side crank web with longer tighter fit pin and make it all out of 4340 which is just about the best crank steel in the world.

3) We went for a longer skirt 3 rings piston rather than the mini-skirt slipper designs that are popular now with only 2 rings.

So as an answer to Bluto’s original question the reliability of the 750cc kit generally very good, it should out last your stock 650. Overhaul intervals depend entirely on how hard you ride the engine, as they do with any engine, so if you get 100 hours out of your 650 you should get at least that of the 750cc, if you are a GP rider and only get 8 hours engine life don’t expect to get hours much more than that. An overhaul the first time will generally consist of rings, de-glaze, mains and head-gasket, the second time you’d be looking at a new piston as well, a rod will do between 2-4 pistons, as will a liner.
 
Thanks for the reply.Interesting story,maybe helpfull for my future overhaul.
(Not very soon I hope)
 
JBSracing said:
. I was asking to see if anyone had used a KTM ignition with the Husaberg before and what they have found.

Hi Ben,
The Vortex for KTM can be made to work with the Husaberg Kokusan.
Do not bother to ask regarding the pin out as I do not recall. I simply played a bit with the combination on my own as I own Vortex tuning software.

Hope this somehow helps.

Best Regards,
Dale
 
Thanks Dale. Much appreciated. That confirms what I was thinking, that it probably could be made to work. I am going to go for the package offered and get a couple of CDI's and the software of the guy in UK and have a little play with it.

Thanks again UHE, and especially Dale.

Ben
JBSracing
 

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