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Jumps from closed throttle

Joined Jan 2006
6 Posts | 0+
S.E. WI
I have been trying to diagnose a problem with my 97 501FE. I've only had the bike for about 6 months and I'm slowly sorting through various small stuff before I take it out for some remote area woods riding.

In short, it is very difficult to control off of closed throttle. It feels like the carb. slide is sticking and then when I apply enough force to raise the slide the bike lurches so hard it really upsets the suspension and makes the bike very freaky to ride at slow speeds.

I have checked the throttle cable routing, the throttle grip sleeve and housing, the cable itself. I have cleaned the carb. jets, checked the needle and jet for wear, checked the slide for wear, all look clean and in good condition. It has a PHM40 with a 272 needle jet, needle is at 3 from the bottom, 195 main, and 45 pilot, 1-3/4 turns on air fuel mixture.

Is this characteristic of the carb./engine? I've read about people removing a 1mm slice off the leading edge of the slide but I'm not entirely confident with that nor do I want to soften the hit all the time.

I've raced and driven many different machines but precession throttle control has always of optimum importance. I'll admit I'm using the Husaberg on the street right now where this problem is probably much more noticable.
I've also noticed the front end wants to rise when this lurch occurs. I'm not sure about the sag and or preload settings so this could also be adding to the problem.

If it's typical I may just stop using it much on concrete which would be too bad because the bike is a real kick to ride otherwise.

Any help would be appreciated.


97 501FE Husaberg, 95 Ducati SS/SP, 67 Triumph 650TT, 77 Husqvarna CR250, 02 Suzuki 650DR, 01 Kawasaki Concours, 99 Honda Cr250.
 
For what it's worth.....

I had a 94 &1/2 fe501 that exhibited the same charachteristics as you describe, but, not as extreme. That was also with the flat slide carb that came on the bikes then. I believe that your phm40 is a round slide(?) and is probably the same carb that is on my 2001 fe501e. When I bought my 94 the slide and plastic insert were worn out due to the previous owner running with clogged air cleaners, that in turn let a lot of dirt through that wore out the slide and insert.

Is there excessive play between the slide and the body? IE enough where the slide could be getting bound up at idle? Do you have any trouble with the throttle sticking when you are backing off at high revs?

As far as your suspension set up goes, assuming that everything is greased and not binding. Your sag with you on the bike should be around 4", with a free sag between 1/2 to 1". If you find that with the sag set at 4" your free sag is 1/2 or less you need a stiffer spring. If you find that with the sag set at 4" your free sag is greater than 1" then you need a softer spring.
 
check the underside of your slide for it's coding. it shopuld read "/40" that means the slide cutaway is 4mm at it's highest.

to soften the throttle from zero you need to buy the /50 or to file it by hand. this can easily be done. on the question of "does the mouth go wider or does it start and finish the same left to right?" the answer is to widen the mouth by the width of the 1mm over the entire cutaway.

you will then need a larger pilot jet as you will have reduced the signal.

regards

Taffy
 
There is a 40 stamped in the bottom of the slide. I have measured the slide bore and the slide and it has .005" per side clearance. The slide does wobble when it is closer to the bottom but considering it is largely unsupported by the slide bore anymore I figure that may be expected.

The PHM on my bike is a round slide and has no plastic pieces, and the air filters are clean and oiled.

If I understand I would remove 1mm (.019") off the angled surface of the air filter side of the slide. I gotta tell you I think Taffy and Burt Munro (Worlds Fastest Indian) are the only people that can remove .019" accurately with a file.

I don't mean to be sacrilegious but my 77 Husky came with a Bing carb and I replaced it quickly with a Mikuni. My 67 Triumph had Amals and I replaced them with Mikuni's. My Ducati 900SS which everyone knows is Italian came with Mikuni's. So do people put Mikuni's on Husabergs?
 
Before anyone busts me for thinking 1mm is .019" I just had brain fade. I guess I got tangled up with the concept that if you are only removing 1mm total off the mouth of the slide you would have to remove .5mm on a side.
In other words if you are removing 1mm from the plane that is defined by the angled surface, then you might be removing 2mm total where that surface meets the adjacent bottom plane, and creates the mouth.

I still think I will do it in a mill or a surface grinder rather with a file.
 
Pretty sure your twistgrip will be the same Domino unit as my '98 FE600E. The unit I mean has a slide for the cable to go around the 90 degree turn out of the twistgrip. Later units have a wheel about 1 1/4" diameter.

The drum that the cable wraps around can be slipped off the handlegrip tube & flipped over. One side is marked "Enduro" & the other is "MotoX". If you pull the twistgrip apart you will see what I mean.

In MotoX mode the slide lift per degree of twistgrip rotation is constant and pretty aggressive. It goes from closed to full throttle in about 1/4 turn.

In Enduro mode the slide lifts slowly at small openings and quickly near full throttle and more grip rotation is required to open it fully. It give much more precise control at small throttle openings.

Mine was set to MotoX when I got it & I could hardly ride it. Changing it to Enduro helped a lot, but I still battle with a little bit of the problem you describe.
 
hus 362

well it is easy! but then i have a few tools and even though i have an engineer i still did this one myself!

i simply marked a 1mm line adjacent to the curve of the mouth and when the mouth met the flat plan i simply 'imagined' the arc and curve of that 1mm line until it too had been scribed into the horizontal plain. in other words, the mouth gets wider and higher not just higher.

i then hold it in lots of corrigated paper in the vice and filed away gently with my half moon file. tapered the edges smoothly and bob's your auntie!

great film by the way!

regards

Taffy
 
I have modified the slide and the results are good. It now pops alot on deceleration, but that is probably the pilot jet. I adjusted the air/fuel mixture and that improved things some.


My carb. has a 45 pilot jet but the doc info. says I should be using a 33 with a PHM40 round slide. I'm already way over that so it seems wrong to have to go even larger now. I ride primarily at 600ft to 1000ft above sea level.

I will try the throttle cam (mx/enduro) if my bike infact has this feature.

The bike still jumps enough to be distracting in the middle of a turn on concrete. I am working with some suspension adjustments also.

I know all of you have answered these types of questions in the past and the doc information is helpful but it seems most information applies to newer bikes than my 97 so that's why I ask.

Thanks for your patience and suggestions.
 
hus362

in this instance - the information is timeless. the dell orto has changed not at all in years so be assured that the info IS relevant!

yes a larger slide cutaway needs a larger pilot jet so you can go to 48 if needs be. me? i'd question whether the needle could be lifted a clip but also the fuel screw should be adjusted for best response. this will get rid of at least half if not all of the problem. by getting the best setting and idle you will have adjusted the slide height.

the info in the doc is for those that want the 'full monty' and the /30 slide cutaway. i believe that two of the settings recommend the /40 slide and it's only me that goes with the /30 slide.

good luck and let us know!

regards

Taffy
 

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