Is this how a berg should start?

risky1 · Jun 28, 2005

since it seems rare that 03 and older bergs start when you want them to because all you ever hear are the complaints. So I thought I would post a video for the nay-sayers out there. that even a VERY amature mechanic can tune to get a good result. Edit: WITH LOTS OF HELP FROM UHE OF COURSE

keep going lefrog you'll get there.

click "enter site" to view the video you have to be running IE (damn you microsoft)

faktor · Jun 28, 2005

Good job mate.

What jetting did you go with?

risky1 · Jun 28, 2005

I guess I should not brag so much. I still can't start it with my hand on the kick ( my buddies vor will do that. it is SICK!) and it is the same jetting that had it running like crap at 4-5000 feet. I am sad that I may have to take Taffy's advise and jet to run well at elevation and be difficult to start... I just know the answer is out there.... but I am not going to find it for the 02 470. I am sticking with the jetting as is becasue i am selling it. and it runs great at sea level. the next owner can sort it for where they ride. I will give them the stock jets and let them play....

I assume that my 04 or 05 fe550 (that i hope to pick up some time before the beginning of the fall riding season) will run as well as my buddies KTM 525's at altitude. they have done nothing to their stock jetting.

t-jet-tim · Jun 28, 2005

I think the 03 and earlier difficult
starting reputation is the Estart issue.

Parsko · Jun 28, 2005

I think the video is doctored!!!!

LeFrog · Jun 28, 2005

I start mine cold too. Ask Berger. I even start it on the button COLD.

t-jet-tim · Jun 28, 2005

Seems the 04s and up start better.

scrape · Jun 28, 2005

risky1 said:
since it seems rare that 03 and older bergs start when you want them to because all you ever hear are the complaints. So I thought I would post a video for the nay-sayers out there. that even a VERY amature mechanic can tune to get a good result. Edit: WITH LOTS OF HELP FROM UHE OF COURSE

Mine's rare then, I guess. Since replacing the stator a couple of years ago, my '94 has always been a one kick start bike. Even when it sits for a couple of months between rides. Hot, cold and everywhere in between. Find TDC and give it a healthy kick. Period.

LeFrog · Jun 28, 2005

LeFrog,

[marq=right]LEAVE TIM ALONE[/marq]

do what ever you want on other sites.

thanks,
json

risky1 · Jun 28, 2005

Mine's rare then, I guess. Since replacing the stator a couple of years ago, my '94 has always been a one kick start bike. Even when it sits for a couple of months between rides. Hot, cold and everywhere in between. Find TDC and give it a healthy kick. Period.

I actually don't belive it is rare. I just believe that people just aren't vocal about the bergs that do start like they are supposed to. admittedly Husaberg has had some weaknesses in their starting and ignition systems. but I was just trying to give some others a bit of encouragement. a one kick/one button push older berg is achievable hot or cold.

I had a 98 fe600 that was a reliable starter both on the button and the kick when I had it adjusted correctly.

the right kick method does make all the difference in the world! if you are not set up right with the kick you will just wasted your time and energy.

I do want to know how some people get the big bores to start by hand though. my buddies VOR 503(?) is effortless

t-jet-tim · Jun 28, 2005

Has anybody done an ignition output
comparison between different brands
at kick over RPM? The 2st KTMs with
the Kokusan ign. seem to start easier
than SEM equiped ones.

LeFrog · Jun 28, 2005

Json: I'm only telling Tim what I think about his trashing Husaberg left and right, I don't think it's necessary for you to censor me.

risky1 · Jun 28, 2005

t-jet-tim said:
Has anybody done an ignition output
comparison between different brands
at kick over RPM? The 2st KTMs with
the Kokusan ign. seem to start easier
than SEM equiped ones.

I am sure you are correct. That is a main motivator to for me to get a newer one. That newer ignition and the supposedly better starting. (and because of the couple extra pounds i think i need a 550 to get me up those really steep hills

)

schwim · Jun 28, 2005

reply

Froggy, I no longer care what you feel is necessary. These are the rules of Husaland, and you can either abide by them or not. It's totally up to you.

thanks,
json

t-jet-tim · Jun 28, 2005

No,froggy's right. No more whining.

I cleaned up my posts.On the Deletoro
carbs the enrichening circuit is rather
primitive.Perhaps a carb geru could
come up with a mod to get the right
amount of mixture through the system
for a better start up. If I kicked mine
through ten times with the ignition off
then kicked it with the ignition on it
would sometimes fire right off.But
sometimes it made it worse and it acted
flooded.Then I had to kick it over with
the plug out and put a fresh plug in.
If I would have had more patience
I would have figured out a cure.

risky1 · Jun 28, 2005

t-jet-tim said:
No,froggy's right. No more whining.
I cleaned up my posts.On the Deletoro
carbs the enrichening circuit is rather
primitive.Perhaps a carb geru could
come up with a mod to get the right
amount of mixture through the system
for a better start up. If I kicked mine
through ten times with the ignition off
then kicked it with the ignition on it
would sometimes fire right off.But
sometimes it made it worse and it acted
flooded.Then I had to kick it over with
the plug out and put a fresh plug in.
If I would have had more patience
I would have figured out a cure.

I think Dale Lineweaver Has a kit or you can send your carb off to him but you have to stop being a cheapo like I am and just get it done!

t-jet-tim · Jun 28, 2005

I should have sent the whole bike to him.
He did a motor for Enforcer4s quad and it
runs awsome.

LeFrog · Jun 28, 2005

I think that sending the carb first is the right thing to do.

I may end up doing it myself... or not. I always said I would not overspend on my bike, or else I will end up spending the price of a newer bike.

The Dellortos I have no clue about, I will start reading the whitepapers Berger posted the links to and get to know them.

They seem to be a dying breed. Who still uses them now? It seems a Go Kart manufacturer does...

70marlin · Jun 29, 2005

LeFrog said:
The Dellortos I have no clue about them, They seem to be a dying breed. Who still uses them now? It seems a Go Kart manufacturer does...

My Berg has always been an easy starter with the leg. The button has alway's worked! As for the carb. I'll go with it runs great, and when I can out ride the stock jetting then I'll mess with it. I only keep bikes for 3 or 4 years any way. I'm going on my second full year. So most likely I'll have one or two more major's till replacement.

DaleEO · Jun 29, 2005

Both my 01 FE501 and my 04 FE550 start that easy.

With the exception that I push the motor through once slowly with the kicker to let it get a sip of fuel, then kick it and they start right up. And I always start my bikes with the kicker when cold, and use the button when they are warm.

They start this way after they have been sitting for a couple of weeks or more.

Risky, all I have done so far with my 04 was to put in a 42 pilot, and a DVR needle set according to the owners manual (can't remember the clip position off the top of my head). I also run a TCR pilot screw ( a neccesity with the FCR carbs, there are other makers too) set at 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 turns out.

Great video, I liked how you and the kid on the bike (your son?) were doing circles around each other in the cul de sac!

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