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I killed my FE 450.

Joined Sep 2013
81 Posts | 14+
Ohio
So I haven't even had my 2010 FE 450 for two weeks, and it's already outta commission. :cry:

I'm 99% sure it's my fault. I can't believed it happened, and I'm really bummed out about it. The only thing I can think that happened is that I must have dropped something down in the intake when I took the tank off and not noticed it. I had put the bike mostly back together and tried to start it to see if the turn signals I installed worked.

As soon as I started it though it was making a horrible knocking/banging noise from the front of the motor, then it died. I guess I decided to really make sure it was f*cked, cause I tried to start it a few more times. On the third or fourth time the motor wouldn't even crank, yup it's done. :(

So now I'm in the process of taking the engine out. The first thing I did was drain the oil, it didn't look good. The coolant also had some oil in it, and some fine metal specks. I've almost got the engine out now but the swingarm bolt is giving me a heck of a time. Hopefully I can get it out soon. I really want to get this torn down so I can ***** the damage. Luckily this isn't my first time rebuilding an engine.

Where is the best place to buy a rebuild kit for my bike? I've found a few kits for sale overseas, but no luck yet with anything in the states. Slavens Racing has lot's of kits for KTM's and Berg's, but nothing specific for the 450. I don't suppose the KTM kit would work.

This has been a total disaster. I just got a plate for the bike and some DOT legal knobbies. The weather is perfect for riding right now and I'm busy tearing my bike apart. I'd be going absolutely crazy if I didn't have my ninja to ride, it's just not the same though, sigh.
 
Ktm piston and rods will not work due to the small end being .040 smaller than berg stuff.

I used Thumper racing racing for the piston, rod kit and gaskets, much cheaper than oem.

Speedsupplies.com provided me with genuine nj207 mains at half the standard price and that included shipping to Australia.

I used mototech.com in Australia for a camchain, seals, oil pump and the cylindrical roller bearing on the balance shaft.

Djh cyclesport sold me a cam chain tensioner for added peace of mind and a little blue bling.

I sourced miscalaneous bearings from a bearing service.

Shrewd use of online parts fische to find the cross reference will save you a few bucks.
 
Well progress has been kinda slow, but I finally got the engine out today. Damn swingarm bolt was givin' me a hell of a time, but I won that battle. Plan on tearing the engine down tomorrow and find out what the damage is. Still considering the bb kit, but if the damage to the cylinder isn't bad I might try to stay stock.
 
Just a thought to give you more options:

From what I understand it's possible to install a 570 cylinder on a 450 engine, heard of one guy that did it close to where I live (so it must be true now when you heard it as a rumor on the internetz...)
But check it out if it's possible, then you could go straight for a 590 kit or something ;) There seems to be easier to find spare parts for 570's as more people are tuning them, specially the motard guys.

Unless, ofcourse, you want to keep it as a 450.
 
So I'm having some trouble with the rebuild. Haven't figured out how to get the head off. Haven't figured out how to get the rocker arms out, or if I even need to. I'm also guessing that you need to remove the cam chain. I'm not even sure if there is enough room to get a chain breaker in there though. Also the engine is froze, so I can't get to the master link on the cam chain.

Any advice? I've done an engine rebuild before, but not on anything this complex. There's videos all over the place of people rebuilding other engines, but I'm finding almost nothing to help me with the 70-degree engine.
 
You may not need to remove the rockers.
Remove the camchain tensioner.
Remove the camshaft support plate, lift the chain off the sprocket and remove the camshaft. With the timing marks on the camshaft lined up the camshaft should slide out easily. If you can't turn the engine to line up the timing marks on the camshaft this could be awkward as some of the valves may be held open putting the camsaft under tension. If this proves too difficult you will have to remove the rockers to take the load off the camshaft.
You can now remove the cyl head bolts and remove the head followed by the cyl barrel.
 
I'm half way thru building my motor and now wishing I had taken a lot more photos. From what I've seen these motors are just like any other one just twisted.

If you want to remove the rocker arms, there are two socket headed ( Allen wrench ) plugs on the side of the head, remove these and the bolts retaining the rocker shafts on top of the head. Now using a bolt you removed from the shafts screw it into the threaded hole in the end of the rocker shaft (this is why you pulled the 2 plugs off earlier) and slide the shaft out. If the cam is at any other position then TDC this might take a bit of force, you could make a simple puller or slide hammer to do this.
 
Got it torn down, here's the pics. Damage doesn't seem too bad.


At the intake side of the piston you can see a chunk of metal from whatever it was that I dropped in the engine.


A good bit of damage to the bottom of the head. I'm wondering about the valve in that area too.

So what do you guys think. Seems like a small amount of overall damage to me. The cylinder and rings look good, seems like all of the damage was to the top of the piston and the head. I'm wondering if I'll even need to replace anything. It looks like I could just clean up the top of the piston with a dremel. Head doesn't look that bad either, if the valves are good maybe I'll be ok without a rebuild.

Opinions please... If anything needs replaced I'll do it, but I don't see any reason to go bb yet.
 
I would remove the piston and have it checked a matter of course. The top of the piston might not be too bad, but I'd check the skirt and rings anyway...
 
Yeah, I removed the cylinder and it looks good as well as the piston skirts and rings. I'm more concerned with the head, I'd like to remove the valves to inspect them but I haven't figured out how to do that yet.
 

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