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Husaberg is going **** up!

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here is a post i did last night. i wanna fight wi ya!

speak yers minds NOW!

year '09 is a ****-up!
well what do you reckon to the price of next years bikes?

£6,400. sheesh! now that is excluxive! i mean, this years was a giveaway at £3,800 and this is 65%, yep 65% more!!

most small brand bikes are placed at £5,500 but to shift them they have had to cut deals at just under £5,000. so now the new model will have to come in whatever happens at under £6k me reckons. still £1,000 more than the rest and way more than a KTM!

the new model is good? yep! but howwwww good??????????

the factory wanted a short production run this year but must have overdone the USA market. not sure why but word came through months ago that they were going to have to ship them back to europe in order to 'out' them. everyone has been trying to clear the 450.

did i say the 450?

oh crap! they must have got the ratio wrong! that's it!!!! all the 650s went months ago and that explains it! they made the wrong phucking bike!!!!

so they won't do that again right! right?

ok, ok! so now what's the '09 ratio?

oh dear! 2/3rds are to be 450's! still, we live and learn live and learn hey (chuckles to himself) we will learn one day...!!!

and haven't they been having TROUBLE with them when racing them? and aren't they right on top of production now? so for this new engine WHO has been TESTING them with any lead time? is 1 month long enough? or 2? or 3?

maybe in march yes! - but august? september??? mmmmm??? - no! so not. so. good.

and that idea of outing the old stock?
yet again, Uk dealers have been urged to get the stock out.
have you seen 'mid-west' still advertising them like hell!!

i wonder if the conversation went like this?
we need you to flog some late '08s
we want to save our money for the '09s?
yes but we are telling you to stock some '08s or you won't be getting '09s!!!!
but how will i turn around the money in time to buy the new models?
don't care, your problem! and BTW to have '09s you have to take 10(?) upfront ok and pay for the phuckers!!!!!

this on top of the fact that the factory had no idea that those fantastic prices were going to happen at the motorcycle show last december!!!!
the austrians had no idea!!!!
apparently KTM uk went and thought it right up!

the factory found out and told them that the RRP they had put on them up at was £200 less than they could supply them to the uk/make them; for!!!

yet anyone who knows anything will tell you that you are either cut out to buy a husaberg or you're not. it's as simple as that! it was money simply thrown away.

and so the idea then became, "right, you get that shipment (or 2 or 3) and then that's it. you return the deposits for the rest! disapoint them!

question!
UHE members! would you be gutted that they had their deposits handed back?

don't be.

the FW that would have bought them would have ridden any ol bag o shyte that was cheap and like a good saracen, they would fight for money and nothing else!

how many of those early shipments joined us here at UHE? not many!!!!

so who are these wonderful people that decimated the UK scene hey?
who took away the importer one day and then took away his dealership status just 5 months later?
who didn't let him have dealer net status for more than the next 48 hours?
who got rid of two other husaberg dealers and left just mid west in the night of the long knives?
who are the people who took on trevor pope as a semi importer only for him to bedeck his whole website in phucking orange fer chrissakes!

KT phucking M that's who!!!!!!!!!!!

there are presently only three dealers in the whole of the "BRITISH ISLES"
mid west
trevor pope
htm

htm are on the north coast of norten irelan and all their customers to the north have names like carp and haddock!

trevor pope is in portsmouth and all the customers to the south of him have names like halibut, sole, cod and plaice!!!!!

so ktm uk. well done!
you got just one ktm dealer signed up
you destroyed the knowledge and enthusiasm of the old dealers, you wrecked their businesses after they showed great loyalty to you.
you replaced it with nothing
you have three dealershps for 61 million people
you don't advertise nationally


oh dear! i lied. yep it's true, how foolish of me! :oops: :oops: i lied. yes, i'm a liar!

they did advertise.

they advertised regularly

they advertsied in DEALER NEWS for more husaberg dealers! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i'm not sh....ing you. that was it!

you see they thought that ktm dealers were going to get moist between their legs, drop their knickers and let husaberg in!

alas to get to their lofty orange perch all these dealers have one thing in common-BUSINESS NOUS. the very fact that they got to be orange means that they're quite bloody cute anyway and from where they sit they aren't going to be stupid enough to go HUSABERG!!!!

what a miscalculation!

the cheap bikes in december?
not telling mattighofen?
sacking dealers at 24 hours notice without a by-your-leave.
no adverts
unable to sign new dealers
no racing
no knowledge

these "business people" have got no idea about bikes, no idea about us, no idea what to do because they prove it everyday they go to work!

they should be sacked for what they've done.

i wonder if they talk of "units" and "front end user" and so forth?

the UK has been getting a rough deal for too long. it's a mess. the whole thing is a mess!

truly KTM UK - and one man in particular:
YOU ARE B.....Y W......S

or as i would tell me ol canook mucker;

"they're not BW, they're worse, they're F.... T......'s.

seriously though, i want you to tell me now what you think the future of husaberg is.

let's all make our predictions now for the future. but i reckon that if i sold just two engine sizes of the same model in the boonies i would curl up and die.

regards

Taffy
 
What Taffy
PUI????????
Now tell us how you really feel about KTfnM :twisted:
Member I said the same thing back in 03/04
 
you did mate. what you didn't say was that they would screw husaberg while genuinly trying to "do the right thing!".

they're simply useless!

and as far as all the swedes go i say this:
ALL THAT'S NEEDED FOR EVIL TO SUCCEED IS FOR GOOD MEN TO DO NOTHING
ad libed and from Dwight D if i recall. (your last great president).

glad to see you're paying attention at the back bob!!!!

regards

taffy
 
An expression my Dad used to say to me

Go on boy.............................
Your helpin me again

:lol:

You are really going to see he way a Red Headed step child is treated when the new motor is proven. He## to pay then

"oh yes thanks for the motor now be a good boy and phuckoff quietly"

Problem is if they kill the infrastructure (dealer group) the development will loose too

Glad Im old and slow with no delusions ................. my old 5fiddy will last me a while
 
This will be the 2nd year of red sticker bikes also. And it's an insult to be jacken up the price for a bike you can only ride legally 7 months out of the year in most places here. Sure Glad I got my plated 05 FE.650. Its turning out to be even a better investment than I had thought.
Pollo
 
DCR was in there pete you just gotta read the detail mate.

the 650 as an SM is a sound investment. my advice right now is to stock up on 650s and bling them!! (froggy!!!!). a good one is going to gain rapidly in value.

as i've said before: remember the old ducati 900ss bevel drive? you know when a bike is destined for greatness when it's a legend before they stop production!

'10 a **** up!
nothing like predicting the future is there!
so, if there is no '10 supermoto model, that means that they have to come out with another CC of the enduro or they've done nothing for a second year!

how many can survive without those roadbikes? how many can survive without those SM racers?

and if the bike handles so well why will the boys not be going back to MX?

is it because it's a SOHC?

after all, every other new engine is DOHC except the husaberg?

so that means no return to MX? 1/3 of the market gone. SM - another third of the market gone!

they have a reputation for the big single, for the 650. it's husabergs USP (unique selling point). They need to produce a 350 and a 650 for next season. sort it NOW! NOW!! NOW!!!

you can't run anything based on two CC's of a single model!!!!

AND GETTING BACK TO THE UK. I BELIEVE WE SOLD 800 HUSABERGS IN 2004. THAT WAS THE SAME AS CENTRAL EUROPE ALONE. I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE DOWN TO 37 UNITS FOR 2008 although my figures for this are less clear.

regards

Taffy
 
I agree that the lack of a 650 is odd, but they're focusing on enduro race bikes afaik, the big SM is definitely lacking, but from my enduro race bike pov, I think the 09 is spot on (apart from moving away from the "open" structure look of the old frame, I love that about my own 08 ).

In proper enduro racing, even the 450 is a bit of a handful - if you can keep it pinned, it's not a proper track, simple. :D But we're used to nasty stuff way ooooop norf' 'ere.

If they're going for it 100% - I think adding a 250 would be a wise move.

/J
 
I'm surprised, I thought you knew that KTM UK are a bunch of ***** (insert word of choice), they have been for years. I've seen them do similar things to other businesses, not just Husaberg.

I think we need to be a bit careful to make sure we separate KTM with the UK sub because there is quite a difference.

Additionally, when looking at the sales figures, you also have to take into consideration a whole load of other issues. In particular the fact that the US has been in somewhat of a financial turmoil and that KTM have re-structured their dealer/distribution network and at the same time decided to junk old stock prior to a completely new market positioning which may or may not work. This is as well as a reduction in the off-road market in the US and problems with homologation of the bikes for the US market.

Yeah, the 650 may have somewhat of a reputation but I don't think it has ever been the majority of the Husaberg production, although it may have been a mainstay in the UK for a bit. However, the SM market is really stagnant and has been for a while now too, across the whole of Europe.

If you compare with the Japanese manufacturers, who, whether you like it or not, are pretty smart business people, does it not tell us something that they never bothered to produce large capacity sm bikes despite having engines already sat there designed and built. That instead, like Yamaha, they produce a more road biased equivalent and the rest they leave to convert enduro or mx machines.

Also, the Japanese have done a really good job to build an entirely new 450 market while at the same time developing it as the premier class where the open class used to sit.

KTM clearly have a strategy of how they wish to position the Husaberg for the future but if they were going to let it die (like we hear every bloody year) they would have done it already - why persevere with it when for a few years things were going wrong? Why invest the millions in developing a new bike to let it die?

I think we'll see a shift in the next few years and I think it will ultimately be a positive one for Husaberg. KTM are clearly aware of the value oif Husaberg as a brand and I think they'll continue to build upon it, but it never happens overnight in such a multinational company, particularly in such difficult operating conditions world-wide.

All the best,
Simon
 
husaberg needs to be out on its own to fully develop as a product and a company .

in other words no bleedin ' orange
 
Since Taffy mentioned about snapping up the 650s I thought Id mention that Rocket Motorcycles in San Diego has 1 and possibly 2 brand new plated 05 FS650s for $6,995. He's got an 08 FE450 and FE550 but red sticker
Pollo
 
anyone noticed how parts prices are going through the roof?

why can't dan become a quality parts dealer only?

and simon can you actually say anything without sounding like a know-it-all?

regards

Taffy
 
Taffy said:
and simon can you actually say anything without sounding like a know-it-all?

Deary me, I thought you were actually after a sensible discussion on business, Taffy :roll:

You might actually learn something......... :wink:

All the best,
Simon
 
the prices are £300 more than the equivilent ktms.

have come across both AMS and Gear4 Ktm dealers advertising the clearout '08's and the 2009's.

theres probably more.
 
call me presumptuous fraser but those KTM450EXC's were £5,800 and the husky's were £5,700 at the dirt bike show last december. i haven't seen the new 2009 prices but you are saying that the KTMs have gone up £400 in one year? they're now £6,100?

regards

Taffy
 
yes.

if you'd care to go and look at the recommended retail on many of the ktm dealers sites.
£6095 for the 450 exc
£6195 for the 530 exc

same for huskys;
310 £5995
450 £6095
510 £6195

Incase you havent noticed there is a general world wide recession on and my other interest, mountain bikes has seen hikes of a similar amount.
Bikes that where 1500 in 2008 are now £1800 with no change in spec.
 
who rattled your cage? FFS!

"if YOU care"
"incase YOU haven't noticed"

get a pound of bananas and a piano!
 
taffy perhaps you better lay off the beer when you post in the future.

or is it you dont like to be shown that your not quite on the pulse of the dirt bike world as youd'd like people to think.
 
From a KTM annual report
"Husaberg, the second motorcycle brand in the group,has the assignment to present innovative solutions within the core offroad and supermoto segments through synergy with the parent company.Its goal is to increase sales for the group through direct competition with the europeon offroad motorcycle brands.Concious of past traditions,Husaberg will concentrate on competition motorcycles with performance- oriented4 stroke engines."
From this it would seem that Husabergs function is to develop new technoly that can be used to sell more product for the KTM group..so far they have done that.
Husaberg also has and continues to be competitive with the other off road euro brands
Seems to me that Husaberg is doing exactly as it should.
and presently doing it quite well!
 
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