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Help clicking noise

Joined May 2007
38 Posts | 0+
LaVernia Tx.
I went riding on Sunday and did a lot of starting and stopping. My bike does not like this
kind of riding and quickly the battery was dead so I had to kick it back to life every time
I stopped. I hate kicking this bike as it always takes several kicks and being on the left is
very awkward and I also feel the kicker seems to high and I am 6'3". The bike also got
hot a couple of times and I had to add some water.

I decided that I needed to do something about the carb since the bike is such a pain to
start , especially when it is hot. I planned on sending the Dell off to Linanweaver but I
had the Mikuni off my wifes te250 laying around so I figured why not give it a try. It is a
TMR 36, very similar to a Kehein fcr 37. I figured it may be a little small but what the hell
it was worth a try. I mounted it and it fit right up pretty easy. I started the bike and It
started much easier than usual. It would idle ok with the choke on but not very good
with the choke off. I figured it was probbably going to be to lean as it was jetted for
a250. The most troubling thing was the loud clicking noise at idle. It would go away when
I revved the bike or at least you could not hear it as well. I think it is the decompressor
from the kickstarter that is making this noise. I did pull on the cable pretty hard when
removing the old carb. I should have removed the cable but I was being lazy. Does this
even make sense? I am not sure where the noise is coming from but this is my best
guess.

I was thinking about disconnecting the auto or kickstart decomp but was unsure nif that
was a good idea. Would I simply unhook the end from the head or remove the whole
thing?

Any ideas would be great. What about using a carb that small, if jetted correctly would it
work ok. I do not care if I lose some top end because where I mainly ride I am lucky to
get above third gear.
 
Sounds like this stator could take a trip to Spain (hint hint).

Clicking noise? Did you adjust your valves lately? If yes, at 1/8th of a turn out as advised? More and you will hear that noise (I know).

In this case, it sounds like it is coming from the decomp arm on the side because it carries the clicking sound to the outside.

Clicking noise from the inside of the engine?

The kickstart decomp cable can be removed. It was removed on the later models.

Can you give us some more info?
 
I am pretty sure it is not from the valves. It is not a fast ticking noise but more of a slow clank. It was fine on Sunday when I shut it off and after I put the new carb on and started it is when the noise started. I thought it may have something to do with jerking on the decomp cable that goes to the kicker. I noticed when I was kicking the bike trying unsuccessfully to start it that the noise was the same when the decomp would click back if that makes any sense. I assume if it were massive engine trouble it would get much worse as I rev it not less.

I will be sending the stator to sparks in the future for a rewind as I am sure this will help withh starting issues. I also plan to eventually dual sport the Berg as I am going to get an 08 KTM 300xcw (e) for a woods bike and I do not think the berg will get as much use as my main riding is very tight areas and the Berg is a handful on these trails. I want to eventually put some nice lights on it so it would be road worthy if need be.
 
It will most certainly help.

That's a very small carb for this bike... You should look for a used FCR 41
 
Are you sure it's not the new carb that causes the clicking sound? I previous had a -02 501 with the Dellorto carb and when i changed to a -07 450 (FCR carb) I directly noticed mechanical noise from the carb. It's the flat throttle in the FCR that makes this noise at low revs. In the FCR they have added a sort of rubber gasket to prevent this but its very clear at low revs and especially if you throttle at low revs with high gear. I don't know if the TMR has the same typ of throttle design.

Christer
 
RE: Re: Help clicking noise

i second husa busa's comment about the carb. i used to have a zx11 motor with fcr's and at idle it sounded like a diesel. it comes from the slides having a hit of vacuum and releasing.
 
I hope you are correct about the noise but I am not too optomistic. I started the bike this morning and it still made the noise. I do not think it has anything to do with the decomp arm because it was not moving when the bike was running. It is not a constant or steady rythym. It sounds kind of like there is something on the loose in the motor. I am not going to restart until I get a new water pumpseal and gaskets from Boss. I will check inside the clutsh cover and see if anything looks out of place as well as taking off the valve covers and checking the valves and trying to see if I can see anything loose. If I do not find anything should I go as far as pulling the head? I hope it is nothing serious. It is the 02 and does not have the updated rockers or bearings as far as I know. Could this be a possible place to look. I love the four stroke but there are some things I will really like about the 2t KTM, much simpler motor.
 
Jeffs,
I would go for the simplest of diagnostics, take the Mikuni off and put the Dell Orto back on, it the clicking is gone yiu can discount the engine or decomp line.

Azza.
 
Pull the boot from the back of the carb and push against the slide when its idling, that should stop any noise the slide would be making and answer that question.
 
you can put your hand over the tailpipe and make the slide stop and start the noise - if it's the slide!

it rattles with a clack-clack noise.

they can also break and be ingested by the engine!

regards

Taffy
 
My mates sidecar has got 4 mikunis on a Honda four 836, and it sounds like two horses tapdancing on china tiles when its idling - very clicky. I reckon its the Mikuni.

Azza.
 
I appreciate the replies. I put the Dell back on and could not get it to start. I got frustated with it and took it back off and put the Mikuni back on. I the remembered that I had screwed with the idle on the Dell when I had it off which is most likely why it would not start. I started it again with the Mikuni on it and it did still make the noise. I will pull the clutch cover off anyway to replace the water pump seal and gaskets. I will check for any signs of trouble. I guess if I want to check the nut on the main I need to pull the entire clutch and basket? I will also check and adjust valves just for good measure. I hope the noise is from the carb or is something simple and obvious.

By the way I got my new 08 300XCW estart Yesterday and took the first ride today. This thing is awesome. I hope the new Husabergs get some of the frame design form the new KTM'S. The bike is so light and the estart on the two stroke is really cool.

Thanks alot, I will report back what I find.
 
This is on the Mikuni carb. The pilot is a 27.5, main is a 157.5 and idle does not have clicks but it is set where the bike will run at apprx. 1500 rpms. the fuel screw is 3 turns out and the needle is raised all the way up. I went richer on everything compared to when it was on the 250. My thinking was the bigger motor would need more fuel. I also adjusted the ap for maximum squirt. When I started it with this set up it seemed to idle ok and revved smoothly. When I get the new water pump seal in it and put it back together we will see how it works.
 
I meant the Dellorto. You'd better off working out the quirks out of it. Maybe due for a rebuild?
 
Service manual tells you to put the engine on TDC and check that the kicker decompressor has around 2-3 mm play, in other words you can pull the arm rearward that far before getting any resistance from opening the exh valve. Or.....if you aren't comfortable with finding tdc pull the lever rearward while the engine is idling. Will have to pull it 2-3 mm before you feel the rocker lightly tapping against your finger. Still might simply be the carb slide though. Just reach in from the air filter side and push on the top edge of the slide with it idling, and see if it quits.
dan
 
if it was a knocking noise like a man with a small toffee hammer then that is the little end. this usually only makes a nioise at tickover and as you move off.

regards

Taffy
 
Jeffs2200, did you mention that the clicking goes away with increased revs ? Could it be the auto decomp arm on your cam sprocket not engaging fully because of low idle speed ? At low revs the centrifugal force on that arm wont throw it out completely, made worse by a lumpy idle from a poorly tuned carb. Try just uping the idle slightly.
 

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