Joined Aug 2009
1K Posts | 346+
Charters Towers, Australia
Welcome to the dark side........ bwahahahahahahahaha :evil:
Bushy my $0.02 is I believe they do, well I have more confidence in tipping it in than my 08 550, and playing 'roost me if you can' through the trees in 2nd - 3rd gear is pretty cool too. Even though COG is higher it feels like the weight is lower down.
Perhaps owners of new and old could do some measurements like ground clearance, peg to seat, seat height, peg to headset etc, I remember the 08 felt about 6 ft tall at the seat and had that stink bug stance ( higher at the back )
Bushy my $0.02 is I believe they do, well I have more confidence in tipping it in than my 08 550, and playing 'roost me if you can' through the trees in 2nd - 3rd gear is pretty cool too. Even though COG is higher it feels like the weight is lower down.
Perhaps owners of new and old could do some measurements like ground clearance, peg to seat, seat height, peg to headset etc, I remember the 08 felt about 6 ft tall at the seat and had that stink bug stance ( higher at the back )
Joined Jun 2007
4K Posts | 1K+
south east WA Australia
well a 9" is pretty standard issue over here Taffy :twisted: :twisted:
ive tried mucking about with them but the grinders don't give you the right result because the motor axis is 90 deg to the wheel. a die grinder would be closer
Bergsmlergs 2c is as most people have said the new one tips in nicely but it has a higher COG and the crank is higher up so unless its a placebo thing the gyroscoptions far from being bad are helping with the initial turn and lean.
others have a few bad things to say about chassis pitch fore and aft with the high cog
anyway FFS Taff go ride the funny looking thing you Noob numpty pants gearing thread fool :roll:
Joined Jun 2007
4K Posts | 1K+
south east WA Australia
what about when I come into a downhill corner hard under (front) brakes with the back wheel in the air or barely on the ground and then try and tip the bike over... its not pivoting about the bottom of rear wheel, it pivoting about the contact patch of the front wheel.
usually both wheels are on the ground but the front bears more weight under brakes so naturally on coner entry regarding initial tip resistance or lean the lower the COG the better
re the crank placement and tip in if you play with a router or an aircraft gyro you'll see what i'm on about
usually both wheels are on the ground but the front bears more weight under brakes so naturally on coner entry regarding initial tip resistance or lean the lower the COG the better
re the crank placement and tip in if you play with a router or an aircraft gyro you'll see what i'm on about
4 goodness sakes gentlemen (BushnTaff)...................
All this theoretical hypothisys when you both already know the answer is rediculous..........
One of you blokes needs to go 4 a damn ride an the other one needs to fix his damn bike an go 4 a damn ride.....
Less Talk More Work........... 4 goodness sakes.
By the way.... Nice Bike Taffy!
p.s. why a 570 when 400 used to be enough?
All this theoretical hypothisys when you both already know the answer is rediculous..........
One of you blokes needs to go 4 a damn ride an the other one needs to fix his damn bike an go 4 a damn ride.....
Less Talk More Work........... 4 goodness sakes.
By the way.... Nice Bike Taffy!
p.s. why a 570 when 400 used to be enough?
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
cos I may well tune it and it's easier to assess tuning in a roadbike form. would probably get a pair of wheels and not worry about the sussies just so i can test out the bike and go on a dyno etc.
400 is still enough on the dirt and i think you'll agree that that fact becomes more apparent each year. but 570 has got it for the road.
I have also not given up the idea that I would like to go sidecarX if I could afford it.
regards
Taffy
400 is still enough on the dirt and i think you'll agree that that fact becomes more apparent each year. but 570 has got it for the road.
I have also not given up the idea that I would like to go sidecarX if I could afford it.
regards
Taffy
Sounds like a good plan....
About that sidecarx setup.... the bikes appear down in the rear as if the rear suspenders have been reduced to what appears in the pictures to a low level. Is that just an optical illusion or is the rear travel reduced to match the travel of the chair wheel?
The thort occurs that one would need a well syncronized swinger for sidecarx as its darn tricky to swinging on a reasonably smooth speedway track let alone with some loose screwed nutter bashing away at dirt hills.
Each to there own i guess.
About that sidecarx setup.... the bikes appear down in the rear as if the rear suspenders have been reduced to what appears in the pictures to a low level. Is that just an optical illusion or is the rear travel reduced to match the travel of the chair wheel?
The thort occurs that one would need a well syncronized swinger for sidecarx as its darn tricky to swinging on a reasonably smooth speedway track let alone with some loose screwed nutter bashing away at dirt hills.
Each to there own i guess.
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
they have about 8" of travel but they make them lose very little onto the wheels from wheel free. also, the swing arm is so long a 15 degree swing is about 8"!!!
i think it's all too expensive for me though - been there done that!
regards
Taffy
i think it's all too expensive for me though - been there done that!
regards
Taffy
Joined Jun 2007
4K Posts | 1K+
south east WA Australia
BERGBRO said:
aw cmon bro its just the healthy site returning, you know the one Taffy has missed so much
the answer is that marketing works, the rest is bs, but some of the the bs works too so the question is why
Not sure what all this has to do with the thread title of 570 gearing?
My take on the CoG thing is that once moving, bikes rotate left/right about the centre of mass, and the closer all the heavy bits are to that, the easier it is to change direction.
Anyone remember years ago (1983?) when Honda in 500 GP put the fuel tank under the engine and the exhausts over and Freddie Spencer couldn't ride it? Too much mass, too low down. Seemed like a good idea, but did not work.
What happens when turning is the the tyre contact patches move from under the bike as the bike rotates about the CoM/CoG. Watch the bikes racing the GPs exit a corner, the tyres are out towards, or on, the edge of the track and as they straighten and stand up, they rotate around the CoG and the tyres move back under the bike, away from the edge of the track, leaving an S shaped path.
Steve
My take on the CoG thing is that once moving, bikes rotate left/right about the centre of mass, and the closer all the heavy bits are to that, the easier it is to change direction.
Anyone remember years ago (1983?) when Honda in 500 GP put the fuel tank under the engine and the exhausts over and Freddie Spencer couldn't ride it? Too much mass, too low down. Seemed like a good idea, but did not work.
What happens when turning is the the tyre contact patches move from under the bike as the bike rotates about the CoM/CoG. Watch the bikes racing the GPs exit a corner, the tyres are out towards, or on, the edge of the track and as they straighten and stand up, they rotate around the CoG and the tyres move back under the bike, away from the edge of the track, leaving an S shaped path.
Steve
I was trying my hardest last Saturday to get you on my 570 Steve :lol:
Nice bike Taffy. Don't put a carby on it and don't put that engine in a Lambretta.
Nice bike Taffy. Don't put a carby on it and don't put that engine in a Lambretta.
Joined Aug 2009
1K Posts | 346+
Charters Towers, Australia
Hey bushie what about the gyroscoptions produced by the spinning wheels ? And would the gyroscoptions produced by the router be any different if you mounted it in a frame low and forward like a regular motorcycle. I think you'll give yourself a mental hernia trying to justify the whys and wherefors, my brain is starting to hurt following it all. I'm more interested in seeing that beastie of yours come together.
This is a great post what a laugh. :lol: :lol:
I am more interested to see if Lord Farquaad with the largest new Husaberg a man can buy thinks the site is healthier now?
Didn't Taff once say to us, "just run the bloody thing you big girls" ?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I am more interested to see if Lord Farquaad with the largest new Husaberg a man can buy thinks the site is healthier now?
Didn't Taff once say to us, "just run the bloody thing you big girls" ?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Berglsmerg is onto what I was getting at.... there is an ideal "setup" for every situation we will encounter on our bikes.... BUT due to the everchanging conditions we ride in, the ideal setup must also change to suit.
Or maybe we just ride wot we got and tweak it a little to suit..... horses for courses.
Steve. you may have missed the tounge in cheekiness of Taffmonkies original post. I think he was just attention seeking rather than the Meister realy neding gearing advice! but i could be wrong (somtimes happens yaknow).
Or maybe we just ride wot we got and tweak it a little to suit..... horses for courses.
Steve. you may have missed the tounge in cheekiness of Taffmonkies original post. I think he was just attention seeking rather than the Meister realy neding gearing advice! but i could be wrong (somtimes happens yaknow).
Ahhhh, that's what i get for not having read the first page of the thread :cuss:BERGBRO said:
Has anyone explained to Taffy the need to change gearing to suit the tyres and air pressure on the day?
Steve :roll:
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
mmm! a lot of replies overnight and after steve's first reply my fingers were a twitching and the reply was going to be something like; never ever thought I'd see the day an aussie didn't get a joke FIRST!
I think Bergbro saved yer arse there Stevie boy!
G'day! :cheers: :cheers:
regards
Taffy
I think Bergbro saved yer arse there Stevie boy!
G'day! :cheers: :cheers:
regards
Taffy
Joined Nov 2001
17K Posts | 774+
Ely, England
listen here Bushie, you want to build a sweet handling bike?
THIS IS WHAT YOU BUILD
the same Husaberg engine - the LDC but you shunt the gearbox forwards and make the output almost under the barrel and the pivot under the crank. when the swing arm is at full travel it will just miss the underside of the crankcase.
you mount the clutch on the end of the crank - used to be done. not ideal.
time for twin rear shocks again methinks!
regards
Taffy
THIS IS WHAT YOU BUILD
the same Husaberg engine - the LDC but you shunt the gearbox forwards and make the output almost under the barrel and the pivot under the crank. when the swing arm is at full travel it will just miss the underside of the crankcase.
you mount the clutch on the end of the crank - used to be done. not ideal.
time for twin rear shocks again methinks!
regards
Taffy
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