today i was on the track with a aprilia sxv 450 and i was on my fs650e and i kicked his *** i allways ran past him on the straight sides and he could not keep up when he was behind me my weight is 115kg he was around 85kg my quistion is anyone know the exact specs. on my 650 and his 450 because i was a little surprised that he couldent keep up with me...?
Joined Oct 2005
935 Posts | 21+
Texas
I would expect the Husaberg 650 to out run a 450, V twin or not.
In the last issue of the American magazine "Dirt Rider", the FE 550 Husaberg kept right up with the 550 Aprilia in all the acceleration and power tests they performed. I thought that was impressive.
In the last issue of the American magazine "Dirt Rider", the FE 550 Husaberg kept right up with the 550 Aprilia in all the acceleration and power tests they performed. I thought that was impressive.
I've ridden a couple of Aprilia 550's...can't say I was all that impressed.
The motor seemed like it had no flywheel on it, tons of power...but not very useable. The Berg's power is much more controlable and can be delivered to the ground.
I also think both bikes are at the opposite ends of the scale when it comes to simplicity/complexity.
The motor seemed like it had no flywheel on it, tons of power...but not very useable. The Berg's power is much more controlable and can be delivered to the ground.
I also think both bikes are at the opposite ends of the scale when it comes to simplicity/complexity.
The FS650 weighs 15-20 kgs less than the Aprilia 450. A stock Aprilia 450 makes about 55 hp at 11k rpm. Your 650 makes 57 hp stock at 7.5k rpm. The big difference is torque. The 450 Aprilia only makes 29 ft lbs at 9k rpm. Your 650 makes 41 ft lbs at 6k rpm.
More low end grunt and less weight equals more acceleration! Lose a few kgs and you would be even faster
More low end grunt and less weight equals more acceleration! Lose a few kgs and you would be even faster
At any rate the SV is one impressive bike. I heard so much about them. That I thought that a SV would give a FE or FS a run for its money.
I can honestly attest that I had my bone stock 07 650 @ deals gap with 21 miles on it and I came up on a guy that was riding a 550 ape with some friends ,I blew past about 4 of them & a miniute or so later I could hear the ape behind me , we swapped leads a few times with him in front @ the store . We got to talking & he was FLOOOOORED!!!! He had his bike set & was racing the ape it was piped mapped & geared . I will give him this the ape was faster but I was already so confident in the brakes that I could always catch him in the corners & sometimes pass him .
The best thing about it was when they were side by side the bergs quality put the aprilia to shame .
The best thing about it was when they were side by side the bergs quality put the aprilia to shame .
The fact that the Aprilia is heavier and his engine needs higher rpm than the one cylinder engines to accelerate the bike,make it difficult in driving specially in close tracks and I am talking about power and torque diagram.Its a beautyfull bike and very strong!When I was thinking to buy a semi race supermoto,Aprilia was the other option but finally my hurt wants Husaberg and I am happy about that.Some UHE member had posted in his gallery a test with Husaberg FS 650,KTM SMC 660 and Aprilia SXV 550.If you find it and check it you will find out that the Berg was faster from both when they tested from stop.The Aprilia was faster in repriz.As Supermotomike said "More low end grunt and less weight equals more acceleration".
Husaberg vs Aprilia
We had at My Adventure 14pc of Husaberg 450 and we run them for 2 years.
This season we got a good offer to use Aprilia, which we did.
Now after 1/2 season we are selling the Aprilia´s, when sold we will go for the Husaberg again. Aprilia is for enthusiasts and not for us who use them every day.
To compare:
Beauty- Aprilia
Power when rev- Aprilia.
Heavy- Aprilia.
Poor quality- Aprilia.
Light weight- Husaberg
easy maitenens- Husaberg.
interchangeble parts- Husaberg 2001-2008, even some older stuff fits.
Function- Husaberg.
Smoothness- Husaberg.
Enough power- Husaberg 650..
More than enough power- Husaberg Enginehardware 670cc.
I the world of scoring points, Husaberg wins on K/O.
//Thomas
We had at My Adventure 14pc of Husaberg 450 and we run them for 2 years.
This season we got a good offer to use Aprilia, which we did.
Now after 1/2 season we are selling the Aprilia´s, when sold we will go for the Husaberg again. Aprilia is for enthusiasts and not for us who use them every day.
To compare:
Beauty- Aprilia
Power when rev- Aprilia.
Heavy- Aprilia.
Poor quality- Aprilia.
Light weight- Husaberg
easy maitenens- Husaberg.
interchangeble parts- Husaberg 2001-2008, even some older stuff fits.
Function- Husaberg.
Smoothness- Husaberg.
Enough power- Husaberg 650..
More than enough power- Husaberg Enginehardware 670cc.
I the world of scoring points, Husaberg wins on K/O.
//Thomas
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
Now that is real world experience !
One thing for my buying the berg was the ease of maintaience. I have a ktm for the dirt & I think I will buy a 450 berg just for the ease of working on it plus, my 450exc is pretty heavy in the woods .
Enginehardware said:
Now that is real world experience !
One thing for my buying the berg was the ease of maintaience. I have a ktm for the dirt & I think I will buy a 450 berg just for the ease of working on it plus, my 450exc is pretty heavy in the woods .
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
Note that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.
drgnrydr said:
Note that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
quoteNote that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.[/quote]
No I don't think so. I have weighed my 08 FE550 and it comes in at 109.5kgs dry. KTM claims 113.9kg dry for the 08 530 but in reality I'd be surprised if they came in under 115kgs.
quoteNote that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.[/quote]
No I don't think so. I have weighed my 08 FE550 and it comes in at 109.5kgs dry. KTM claims 113.9kg dry for the 08 530 but in reality I'd be surprised if they came in under 115kgs.
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
Note that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.
This is of course is a little off topic, however the following actual certified wet weights (without fuel) may be of some interest:
From - Dirt Bike, Apr '08 (2008 bikes):
1) KTM 450 XC-F-----243 lb-----(no lights/ES only)
2) KTM 450XC-W-----249 lb-----(no lights)
3) Berg FE450e-------251 lb-----(no lights)
4) Yam WR450F-------258 lb
5) Honda CRF450X----258 lb
6) Kaw KLX 450R------263 lb
From - Dirt Rider, May '05 (2005 bikes/all with lights):
1) Berg FE450e--------253 lb
2) KTM 450 EXC-------255 lb
3) Honda CRF450X----262 lb
4) Sherco 4.5i---------262 lb
5) Yam WR450F-------263 lb
6) Husky TE450-------264 lb
7) TM 450E------------266 lb
8) GasGasEC450FSE--270 lb
Note that both the comparable new and old Berg and KTM models are within 2 lbs of each other.
Note that in actual weight, the older KTM 450 EXC's were within a couple of pounds of the Bergs, while the equivalent model '08 KTM's are significantly lighter than the Bergs.
This is of course is a little off topic, however the following actual certified wet weights (without fuel) may be of some interest:
From - Dirt Bike, Apr '08 (2008 bikes):
1) KTM 450 XC-F-----243 lb-----(no lights/ES only)
2) KTM 450XC-W-----249 lb-----(no lights)
3) Berg FE450e-------251 lb-----(no lights)
4) Yam WR450F-------258 lb
5) Honda CRF450X----258 lb
6) Kaw KLX 450R------263 lb
From - Dirt Rider, May '05 (2005 bikes/all with lights):
1) Berg FE450e--------253 lb
2) KTM 450 EXC-------255 lb
3) Honda CRF450X----262 lb
4) Sherco 4.5i---------262 lb
5) Yam WR450F-------263 lb
6) Husky TE450-------264 lb
7) TM 450E------------266 lb
8) GasGasEC450FSE--270 lb
Note that both the comparable new and old Berg and KTM models are within 2 lbs of each other.
Joined Oct 2005
935 Posts | 21+
Texas
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
I agree that the new KTM's have lost some weight. However, the proper comparison between the two models would be the Berg vs the xc-w ktm. The difference, according to the magazine is two pounds. Not real significant.
Regarding the ktm xc-f, I have spent some time riding the 2008 model, and it sure feels a lot heavier than 243 pounds. That bike is a handful, and not really all that fun to ride.
Chas said:
I agree that the new KTM's have lost some weight. However, the proper comparison between the two models would be the Berg vs the xc-w ktm. The difference, according to the magazine is two pounds. Not real significant.
Regarding the ktm xc-f, I have spent some time riding the 2008 model, and it sure feels a lot heavier than 243 pounds. That bike is a handful, and not really all that fun to ride.
RE: Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
Back to original subject. I raced against a RXV550 07 last month at our local dirt track and i give it a good *** kicking on my 05 550 fe
but Aprilia was quick off the start line. Gearing ?
When i was talking to him about his bike. He told me that he has replaced the engine 3 yes 3 times under warranty ? WTF
Thats a bit scary
Back to original subject. I raced against a RXV550 07 last month at our local dirt track and i give it a good *** kicking on my 05 550 fe
but Aprilia was quick off the start line. Gearing ?
When i was talking to him about his bike. He told me that he has replaced the engine 3 yes 3 times under warranty ? WTF
Thats a bit scary
Re: Husaberg vs Aprilia
Precisely my point, i.e. that there is very little weight difference between the two comparable bikes, i.e. both being within +/_ several lbs of each other.
Correct.......the KTM XC-F doesn't fit into the equation here having a more race dedicated higher output, higher rpm engine, not especially suitable for general trail riding.
Precisely my point, i.e. that there is very little weight difference between the two comparable bikes, i.e. both being within +/_ several lbs of each other.
Correct.......the KTM XC-F doesn't fit into the equation here having a more race dedicated higher output, higher rpm engine, not especially suitable for general trail riding.
Everybody loves to hate the Ape
I have a 08 ape SXV5.5. 14000, yes, 14000 miles and NO rebuild and no major issues. I RIDE THE **** out of that bike. My friends on their KTM690SMC's have a hard time keeping up. I have yet to find anything that could simply "fly by me". No, they don't really like being under 4k RPM. But if you're that low in the revs you shouldn't be riding the Ape. It is an absolute BEAST. How can you deny a 70hp off the showroom floor dirtbike?! YES, the 07s had a sealent issue which was recalled. Since then they are pretty damn solid. YES, doing the valves is an absolute pain in the ***. Hasn't been done on mine for around or just over twice the recommended miliage. Has a bit of a hard time starting when dead cold, but thats it. All that said. I am seroudly considering the purchase of an 08 FE550 to turn into a full on SM for daily commuting. I am kind of scared I won't want my Ape anymore. But that'll be a hard sell as I LOVE that thing in the hills. It absolutely destroys everything that gets in front of it. btw the, when I said I ride the **** of it my ape. I meant it. Rarely use the clutch to shift, partial to 100% throttle out of every corner. Shes been nothing but a dream. oil changed every 500-600 miles. As for you guys that beat apes. I PROMISE it was the rider. you'd have a battle on your hands to shake me or pass me.
I have a 08 ape SXV5.5. 14000, yes, 14000 miles and NO rebuild and no major issues. I RIDE THE **** out of that bike. My friends on their KTM690SMC's have a hard time keeping up. I have yet to find anything that could simply "fly by me". No, they don't really like being under 4k RPM. But if you're that low in the revs you shouldn't be riding the Ape. It is an absolute BEAST. How can you deny a 70hp off the showroom floor dirtbike?! YES, the 07s had a sealent issue which was recalled. Since then they are pretty damn solid. YES, doing the valves is an absolute pain in the ***. Hasn't been done on mine for around or just over twice the recommended miliage. Has a bit of a hard time starting when dead cold, but thats it. All that said. I am seroudly considering the purchase of an 08 FE550 to turn into a full on SM for daily commuting. I am kind of scared I won't want my Ape anymore. But that'll be a hard sell as I LOVE that thing in the hills. It absolutely destroys everything that gets in front of it. btw the, when I said I ride the **** of it my ape. I meant it. Rarely use the clutch to shift, partial to 100% throttle out of every corner. Shes been nothing but a dream. oil changed every 500-600 miles. As for you guys that beat apes. I PROMISE it was the rider. you'd have a battle on your hands to shake me or pass me.
MischiefMaker, i had them both. The sxv was a beast but my Husaberg 644 was better. The sxv had an Arrow, VDB mapping and the airbox mod (72bhp rear weel). Husaberg was almost stock, bigger valves (37-32), racing mapping and FP exhaust. Tons of torque!!! The sxv should rev over 4-5k to feel the torque but when it did.... (revv limiter 12.500). Husaberg was a solid bike with better parts (WP, Brembo, Beringer, etc). If i had to choose i would choose the Husaberg.
Joined Sep 2014
113 Posts | 61+
finland
The build quality on the aprilia is low.
Once handled some parts on a 450sxv and it seemed like straight from their mopeds. Switches, headlight, ignition switch etc. look like they could be interchangeable with the moped models!
Also I don't trust a mechanical piece with "made in italy" on it. :bomb:
Once handled some parts on a 450sxv and it seemed like straight from their mopeds. Switches, headlight, ignition switch etc. look like they could be interchangeable with the moped models!
Also I don't trust a mechanical piece with "made in italy" on it. :bomb:
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