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fix for countershaft spline wear husabergs & ktm exc models?

Joined May 2012
201 Posts | 15+
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as noted elsewhere, the countershaft or drive shaft splines can wear prematurely on the 70 degree bergs and ktm exc models. it seems the steel of the shaft isn't always that hard...

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i was thinking of trying the dirt tricks washer but essentially it just looked like a stronger version of the stock dome washer.

so a friend suggested welding two washers together. he figured if the bottom one was very broad then it would make good contact with the sprocket and hopefully stop it moving on the countershaft/drive shaft. he also suggested a longer bolt to make full use of the thread, a 10mm spring washer and loctite.



it's not a great photo but you can see the spot welds to join the two washers together. i made some marks with permanent pen to see if the sprocket would still move and possibly start to loosen the bolt off. the obvious risk with this mod is if movement eventually caused the bolt to drop off, the front sprocket to come off then possibly lock up the rear wheel and/or crack the engine case. 8O

on the first ride the sprocket did move slightly but on all subsequent rides it hasn't budged. i'm still checking it repeatedly during rides until i'm 100% convinced it's anchored in place. just keeping a 17mm spanner handy in the pocket to check every hour or so during dirt rides!

so the theory is if the sprocket isn't moving in relation to the actual shaft then it can't wear out the splines. if it continues to work then hopefully this is good news for anyone planning on clocking up a lot of miles on their bergs.

for the record, other suggestions made have included:
- run a cush drive hub for road use or adventure riding
- make sure your chain is never too tight
- don't use sprockets with that are harder than the shaft itself
- keep a constant eye on sprocket/spline wear and replace the front sprocket frequently
- dual purpose tires might increase wear (no knobs means no flex which provides a bit of cushioning)
- use a high temperature grease on the splines.
 
Re: fix for countershaft spline wear husabergs & ktm exc mod

This may be a fix for the problem you are addressing, however, be aware of a new problem you may have created by fixing the sprocket to the shaft. Any imbalance stress could be transferred to the shaft rather than diffusing itself at the greased spline. After many cycles, the shaft can fatigue break. A good mechanical engineer can even calculate the number of cycles it takes based on the stress and shaft material. We found this out as youths when we welded a slipping countershaft to a worn spline on a 360 Husqvarna and it broke the shaft in short order.
 
Re: fix for countershaft spline wear husabergs & ktm exc mod

This may be a fix for the problem you are addressing, however, be aware of a new problem you may have created by fixing the sprocket to the shaft. Any imbalance stress could be transferred to the shaft rather than diffusing itself at the greased spline. After many cycles, the shaft can fatigue break. A good mechanical engineer can even calculate the number of cycles it takes based on the stress and shaft material. We found this out as youths when we welded a slipping countershaft to a worn spline on a 360 Husqvarna and it broke the shaft in short order.
 
Re: fix for countershaft spline wear husabergs & ktm exc mod

interesting point, motodude. i'll look into that further. i mentioned this on another forum and someone posted saying he doubts this would be enough to stop the radial movement of the sprocket, only lateral movement.
 
my spline stripped

I'm pretty gutted. Bike is otherwise fine, and need to replace spline. First thing is the part number of a new spline??

Next, after i split cases and replace, how the hell do i keep this from happening ever again? i had zero feedback that it was stripping, no skips etc. Just went from riding at about 60kph on some dirt to no forward propulsion and no teeth on the spline. I had recently changed to a JT sprocket after the rollers on my chain wore and killed the front sprocket. After about 600kms in 4days, a short 50km gravel ride somehow worked the bolt and washer clean off! Lucky nothing happened. New bolt with spring washer and drilled flat washer for $2, but stripping still happened.
 
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for the record, other suggestions made have included:
- run a cush drive hub for road use or adventure riding
- make sure your chain is never too tight
- don't use sprockets with that are harder than the shaft itself
- keep a constant eye on sprocket/spline wear and replace the front sprocket frequently
- dual purpose tires might increase wear (no knobs means no flex which provides a bit of cushioning)
- use a high temperature grease on the splines.

That Dirt Tricks washer could help as you mentioned, or what you fabricated yourself.

Another thought: would a 15 tooth sprocket in the front assist with lowering a bit of the forces applied in any way? You could keep the same final drive ratio by adjusting the rear sprocket sized up as well.

Does anyone know of good front sprockets that aren't harder material than the countershaft? 520 size if possible (what size is stock anyhow?). I need all the tire clearance in the rear I can get. ;)
 
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Nice work !

I'm a mechanical engineer

Don't worry about forces and fatigue just go with it and see what happens

The distribution of forces is different but IMHO the gears are more fragile than the shaft especially one that is very soft

The gears will be fine
 
I use the OEM KTM countershaft sprockets as a kind of fuse, they last about 15 hours before the teeth are ready to bend off but that softness (ductility bushie?) protects the c/shaft spine IMHO.
 

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