FE650e -08 vs. FE570 -09 ?

oyk said:

Johnf3 said:

Who cares how many HP the old 650s had? The new Husabergs are a superior machine in all other aspects. Who cares if your old 650 has "more power" when you get smoked by a superior motorcycle? Besides maybe in a drag race, or a specialized desert or rally race with lots of opportunity to hold it wide open, a 650 is not an advantage.

The MXDN in England is going on right now. Ryan Villopoto on a 250F will beat the majority if not the entire field of 450s when he lines up against those riders. We are talking about the best 450 mx riders in the world. So, if they can't use the superior power to beat smaller bikes in a race, do you think you can?

I'm guess I'm just not in to specs and horsepower "on paper".

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the posters question was purely in aspect of power.
every one here must show respect to any member asking something specific and not try to convice that he is a stupid human being if he cares for horse power specs.
so my answer was that specific.

besides, i do care alot because i ride tarmac besides enduro.
in supermoto trackdays power is a great factor for fun.
and fun is a great feedback for me personally when i ride my bikes.

also i would wait to test ride a bike first before i say it is superior than another bike.

some may like it some others not but i decided to buy that old 2008 650 AFTER i rode the 2009.
for my style of riding and preferences i found them very "soft".

every individual here has his own preferences and believes and as far as i am concerned i thing that many here would still love their "old" bikes after testing the new ones.
this is the reason also that some of us still keep running their 15 old husabergs.

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Totally agree. Thre are different bikes, riders, needs, races, goals, etc and based on those we make our choices. It is so hard for someone else to say that you have made wrong choice..

And still: What is wrong with big HP if that is fun to use and makes rider

First of all, I am a 650 owner, and i love it. but i am a big husey fan and i hope the new generation is the best berg ever. As far as horsepower goes numbers dont mean squat. The power delivery and usability is what bergs are known for and ENDURO bikes are not all about sheer power anyway. Peak horsepower is not an indication of a good delivery

I agree that HP doesn't fully mean the best delivery. My 01 CR 500 with 60+ HP could outclimb my 05 CRF 450 with 49 HP no problem but could not pull away very easily from rolling drags. This was in medium pack sand and dirt. Even though the bikes weighed about the same the 450 with aluminum chasis, 19 inch rear wheel, and better suspension put the power to movement easier while the 500 had a tendency to spin that 18 rear. On a big hill though, it had a never ending pull whereas the 450 could run out of steam. I dragged my friends 05 CRF 450 with my 650 Berg and beat him Of course I had more gears too :twisted: . The 500 is king of the hill 8) . It also had a Fmf Fatty exhaust
Pollo

oyk said:

Johnf3 said:

Who cares how many HP the old 650s had? The new Husabergs are a superior machine in all other aspects. Who cares if your old 650 has "more power" when you get smoked by a superior motorcycle? Besides maybe in a drag race, or a specialized desert or rally race with lots of opportunity to hold it wide open, a 650 is not an advantage.

The MXDN in England is going on right now. Ryan Villopoto on a 250F will beat the majority if not the entire field of 450s when he lines up against those riders. We are talking about the best 450 mx riders in the world. So, if they can't use the superior power to beat smaller bikes in a race, do you think you can?

I'm guess I'm just not in to specs and horsepower "on paper".

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the posters question was purely in aspect of power.
every one here must show respect to any member asking something specific and not try to convice that he is a stupid human being if he cares for horse power specs.
so my answer was that specific.

besides, i do care alot because i ride tarmac besides enduro.
in supermoto trackdays power is a great factor for fun.
and fun is a great feedback for me personally when i ride my bikes.

also i would wait to test ride a bike first before i say it is superior than another bike.

some may like it some others not but i decided to buy that old 2008 650 AFTER i rode the 2009.
for my style of riding and preferences i found them very "soft".

every individual here has his own preferences and believes and as far as i am concerned i thing that many here would still love their "old" bikes after testing the new ones.
this is the reason also that some of us still keep running their 15 old husabergs.

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No disrespect meant to anyone. I did not reference anyone specifically, nor was I trying to make anyone look stupid. Rather I was looking at things from Husaberg's likely perspective, which is building competitive, cutting-edge enduro racing motorcycles, not something that will give someone camp bragging rights for having the bike with the most HP. Ride what you like. If it is a Husaberg, no matter the size, year, or whatever else, then that's even better.

Camp bragging rights for having the Berg with the most HP comes with the 650 package. Men will be men even though it's not everything. I know many 550 owners here who love their bikes and don't seem a bit jealous about the 650's. I respect them too and who knows, maybe I would be faster on a 550 or 450 in many off road areas. They all have their place. As I said before, I am encouraged with the development of the new bikes. If they produce a 650, it will not to be to re-establish bragging rights although that will come with it, (And the new 570 may already be doing this to a point ) ,it will be to cater to this group of us 650 owners and others that appreciate the special uniqeness that the company offers.
Pollo

I like the "power of choice" of the 650.. I dont find the power delivery suprising at all, because its strong as hell from 2000 to 7000+.. It`s up to me how fast i wanna go, whatever rpm i`ve got right now.. I am very aware of that this doesnt make me the fastest rider.. But i bet i`m one of the most thrilled one`s

On the street, i might even feel it could handle 5-10hp more, but in the woods it scared the living sh*t out of me before i learned to keep the throttle less open...

You buy what makes youre laughing grin biggest.. For me, the 650` is unbeatable for the moment..

If you check up Husaberg.com, under racing, you can see that theire company riders in supermoto, went from 650 to a fs 550 last year.. This probably means that they rode faster lap times on theire 550.. But even with this fact, i wouldnt swap my 650 for just about anything right now.

My wr450f had to come down to below 50mph to make a wheelie.. This beast is all game even at 70mph if i want it to I love it

Numbers means sh*t, but the smiling grin is priceless

Ola

I was at the norwegian Husaberg Shop and tested the new Husaberg FS 570 2009 (Yeah the norwegian Husaberg importer maked a FS model for selling since Husaberg didnt make a FS in 2009)

And i was very suprised aboud the handling of the bike but the power...No the 650 is more brutal and stronger

But for enduro,motocross the 09 570 says goodbye to the 650.
Very very impressing chassi in those new ones..

I am an unskilled woods rider, I don't race or compete in any way, but my bike has more than enough power for what I want and I haven't even tried the 'aggressive' setting yet.

I have read that people who have ridden both feel that the 650 has more top end in the upper gears, but that the 570 is noticeably easier to ride. If you want to race in wide open spaces this may be an issue, but otherwise I think the handling of the 570 will probably win most people over. It works for me. I think it would make a superb SM.

I have a 2009 FE 570 with knobbies and my buddy has a 2006 FS 650 c with road tires. When we are side by side on the road and take off we are pretty equal. We were both surprised the 570 had that much power running knobies.

hannesd said:

yes but since most of us are not proffesionals we need the extra grunt to make up for our lack of experience
and again ,having power is fun to ride even if you don't want to be the fastest.
i'm a 550 FS rider and i tested a friends 650 and wouldn't want to change.
i'm happy with the 550.

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I wouldn't be any faster on a 650, although the one I rode (berger's) sure was fun. Even the 550 is too much for some of the super technical terrain I ride.

At any rate, I'm a decent rider, and compete in A's without embarassing myself too much, but I still get beat badly by guys on 125's and 200's, so I think learning to ride would be more important than getting the perfect bike. :cheers:

On dirt, either bike will spin the tires easily at almost any speed, so it's not like m uch of that extra power makes it to the ground.